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#2301 ali.unal

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 14:16

So I was wondering. With the new number regs coming into play, do the start numbers still decide the grid order if 2 cars don't leave the pits in quali?

 

Reading this: http://www.formula1....s/8686/fia.html

it looks like it is the same (§36.2). So would someone who picks a low number have an advantage?

 

 

It was agreed that FIA's Charlie Whiting would be tasked with implementing the idea in to the regulations, and ensuring that there are no instances where having a lower number is advantageous.

For example, drivers are currently handed grid positions in numerical order if they fail to set a time or attempt a lap in qualifying.

 

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111650

 

But article doesn't elaborate how to achieve this.



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#2302 DampMongoose

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 15:02

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111650

 

But article doesn't elaborate how to achieve this.

 

If they use the same strategy for this as the new rules announced most recently, it'll be some sensible method that'll benefit the sport, like tiddlewinks or letting Dr Markko choose. 



#2303 Fastcake

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 15:32

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111650

But article doesn't elaborate how to achieve this.


Standing order No. 1: If new regulations are not properly thought out, Charlie will make it up as he goes along.

#2304 ali.unal

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 15:33

Standing order No. 1: If new regulations are not properly thought out, Charlie will make it up as he goes along.

 

Or based on drivers' parade cars.



#2305 ExFlagMan

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 15:34

Standing order No. 1: If new regulations are not properly thought out, Charlie will make it up as he goes along.

Why should he be any different than the Working Group?

#2306 ForeverF1

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 15:37

Why should he be any different than the Working Group?

All hail Charlie, the Forums 'whipping boy'



#2307 CSquared

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 17:26

Again you run into the pressure problem. Throttle would be fine, brakes a little more difficult.

These guys do some interesting stuff with the controls. Braking force comes from pushing the left arm forward. http://m.youtube.com...a&v=EPXXxq3zXpE

#2308 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 17:34

I've seen some interesting stuff but so far nothing 'high end'. In brake pressure terms the highest was probably the Zanardi WTCC BMW, but that may have had additional assists. And I think he uses his leg/hip for that? 



#2309 Brother Fox

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:01

Oke, stupid question, and mostly just wondering this. Sorry for my sick mind.

 

Could a driver gain an advantage by amputating his legs on purpose? The team could perhaps make a radically different car with the space that becomes available. Shorter perhaps. Throttle and braking would be done with hands, or, with neuroscience becoming better, with the mind.

 

Isnt there a disproportionate amount of your weight in your head, so if you really want to save weight and lower CoG, you just need a driver who doesnt have a head.

Of course, that may make driving difficult though some seem to make a career out of driving with an empty one.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:05

Isnt there a disproportionate amount of your weight in your head, so if you really want to save weight and lower CoG, you just need a driver who doesnt have a head.

Of course, that may make driving difficult though some seem to make a career out of driving with an empty one.

 

Head weighs 8.26% of body, on average, legs 16.68% - but more importantly, legs would save you a lot of space - think of what you can do with that as an F1 designer!

http://www.exrx.net/...y/Segments.html



#2311 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:34

You're so limiting in your thinking. All you need is the driver's thoughts. 



#2312 Bleu

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 13:11

In case of multiple drivers not setting a time, order is done by previous session, with faster one having an advantage. So P3 in case of it happening in Q1, Q1 in case of Q2 and Q2 in case of Q3.


Edited by Bleu, 17 December 2013 - 13:11.


#2313 ElDictatore

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 15:17

All hail Charlie, the Forums 'whipping boy'

 

Huh. And I always thought Mosley would be more suited for that role.



#2314 John Player

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 16:16

Why exactly the cars look so "on rails" these days?

 

Watch this video  

 

 

You can see him really fighting the car and driving on the absolute limit

 

Which areas had the most improvements between then and now?



#2315 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 16:32

Everything. They're on slicks for a start. Way, way better aero, better electronics, suspension, etc. 

 

If you go back and watch an onboard from like 1997 or something, even in a really good car, you'd be amazed at how bumpy the tracks look. Not just in the camera movement, which is a separate issue, but things like the steering wheel vibration. 



#2316 Amphicar

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 17:50

Head weighs 8.26% of body, on average, legs 16.68% - but more importantly, legs would save you a lot of space - think of what you can do with that as an F1 designer!

http://www.exrx.net/...y/Segments.html

Kimi has tried getting legless on a few occasions...



#2317 CoolBreeze

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 06:47

Why exactly the cars look so "on rails" these days?

 

Watch this video  

 

 

You can see him really fighting the car and driving on the absolute limit

 

Which areas had the most improvements between then and now?

 

The V10 engine is another issue. I believe in it's prime, it was churning out about 1000 hp. And TC was banned at that point of time as well. 



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 06:47

Question : How many cars do each drivers get in 1 season, currently? Was it true back in the glory days, each season they race 4-5 cars?



#2319 Amphicar

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:29

Question : How many cars do each drivers get in 1 season, currently? Was it true back in the glory days, each season they race 4-5 cars?

Back in the days of riveted aluminium monocoque chassis, the rivets eventually worked loose, leading to chassis flex so it was normal practice to replace a chassis several times per season. These days, with carbon fibre construction, chassis are generally only replaced due to irreparable crash damage. In the early years of the 3 litre F1 formula in the late 1960s, drivers would often race several different chassis-engine combinations over a season. For example, in 1968, Jo Bonnier drove a Cooper T81 Maserati in the opening race, a McLaren M5A BRM in the middle 7 races (excluding the German GP, which he didn't enter) and a Honda RA301 in the final race - and all for his own Joakim Bonnier Racing Team.

 

In 1967 Team Lotus raced five different chassis-engine combinations during the F1 season: the Lotus 33 BRM V8, the Lotus 43 BRM H16, the Lotus 33 Climax V8, the Lotus 49 Ford Cosworth V8 and the Lotus 48 Ford Cosworth L4



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#2320 CoolBreeze

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:33

Thanks!



#2321 Dolph

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 10:52

Question : How many cars do each drivers get in 1 season, currently? Was it true back in the glory days, each season they race 4-5 cars?

 

I think "car" is not a very precise term here. A car is the sum of all the parts. But parts get replaced at various intervalls. The engine, gearbox, wings, wheels, floor etc. I suppose a driver can have the same chassis but all other parts replaced. Or a new chassis, but parts from his old "car" as they haven't used up their mileage yet.
 



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 11:16

I think "car" is not a very precise term here. A car is the sum of all the parts. But parts get replaced at various intervalls. The engine, gearbox, wings, wheels, floor etc. I suppose a driver can have the same chassis but all other parts replaced. Or a new chassis, but parts from his old "car" as they haven't used up their mileage yet.
 

 

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#2323 kevins

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 22:06

What exactly is a "point of downforce? I've heard it mentioned a lot, for example Martin Withmarsh "Every week you are delivering 1.5-2 points of downforce" -

 

Is it like Kgs of d/f for a set drag or something like that?



#2324 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 22:22

I think it corresponds to .1 laptime, but I don't know on what theoretical lap. Ie 1 minute or 2 minute? So 1.5 points of downforce is 1.5 seconds improvement?



#2325 kevins

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 22:25

thanks Ross. I think though 1.5 points x 0.1 sec is 0.15 not 1.5 :)



#2326 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 22:40

It's .1, not .01. 



#2327 kevins

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 22:49

.1 x 1.5 is .15 though.

 

Otherwise Withmarsh is saying every week they are going 1.5s faster.


Edited by kevins, 30 December 2013 - 22:50.


#2328 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 03:06

Sorry I misread your first post. I was thinking of a Pat Fry article I read where he talked about the Brawn diffuser in 2009 being worth 15 points.

 

So Whitmrash is talking about .15 seconds, Fry is talking about 1.5 seconds.



#2329 kevins

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 09:41

Thanks Ross, 1 point = 0.1 sec makes sense.



#2330 stonebutter

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 13:40

Sorry if this has been asked before - but who determines the formula in formula 1?  I know the FIA enforces the regulations but is there some think tank somewhere where people are just thinking up new things to try out in upcoming seasons?  Like, oh lets try KERS and a smaller wings next season, or lets get rid of refueling, or next year we introduce co-pilots!! 

 

What does the process look like? Any insight would be appreciated. 



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 13:43

What exactly is a "point of downforce? I've heard it mentioned a lot, for example Martin Withmarsh "Every week you are delivering 1.5-2 points of downforce" -

 

Is it like Kgs of d/f for a set drag or something like that?

 

Its nothing to do with laptime but a fraction of the lift coefficient, typically 0.01.

 

Though I don't recall if it is Cz or S.Cz.



#2332 Fastcake

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 16:20

Sorry if this has been asked before - but who determines the formula in formula 1?  I know the FIA enforces the regulations but is there some think tank somewhere where people are just thinking up new things to try out in upcoming seasons?  Like, oh lets try KERS and a smaller wings next season, or lets get rid of refueling, or next year we introduce co-pilots!! 

 

What does the process look like? Any insight would be appreciated. 

 

Currently, the F1 strategy group consisting of the FIA, FOM and some teams is the body charged with coming up with rule changes, which then goes to the full F1 commission and finally the WMSC - although they are mainly a rubber stamp body unless the FIA needs to change safety rules.

 

How they actually come up with new regulations remains unknown. Presumably it's no different from any other deliberative body.



#2333 HaydenFan

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 16:43

How they actually come up with new regulations remains unknown. Presumably it's no different from any other deliberative body.

 

Oh, come on! We all know where the ideas come from. The little man uses the force and inacts things on a whim. 



#2334 Dolph

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 17:29

Where can I find the schedule for launch of 2014 F1 cars?


Edited by Dolph, 01 January 2014 - 17:29.


#2335 CoolBreeze

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 03:29

Where can I find the schedule for launch of 2014 F1 cars?

 

I don't think any teams have revealed a black and white date yet,



#2336 Brother Fox

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 06:06

who determines the formula in formula 1?


What does the process look like? 

 

 

 

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#2337 Risil

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 13:21

I don't think any teams have revealed a black and white date yet,

 

2013 launch date announcements:

Mclaren: 20 December (2012)

Sauber: 3 January

Ferrari: 8 January
Red Bull: 10 January

Mercedes: 17 January

Toro Rosso: 17 January

Williams: 18 January

Force India: 18 January

Caterham: 21 January

Lotus: 23 January

Marussia: 31 January

 

Source: Autosport.com

 

So Mclaren aside, this time last year we were just as in the dark. Before the conspicuous consumption crisis hit F1, there was a mad time in 2007-8 when massive launches were taking place in early January.

 

With the new rules and emphasis on high technology, there may be a benefit for teams to make a bigger deal of their launches for the world's media. But that only applies to last year's top 3 plus Mclaren anyhow.


Edited by Risil, 02 January 2014 - 13:21.


#2338 R Soul

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 15:18

monkeys.jpg

:lol:



#2339 DampMongoose

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 15:30

monkeys.jpg

 

You must have made some mistake Brother Fox, this surely is a pic of the English Cricket selectors???



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#2340 Blinkandimgone

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:59

That mad me chuckle :clap:



#2341 Beamer

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:31

A stupid question that popped in my head while driving in the rain...

 

Drivers have multiple tear-offs on their visor, being torn off one-by-one by a  tab on 1 side. How do they prevent the driver from accidentally pulling the lower tear-off first instead of in the correct order?



#2342 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:18

I *think* they're mounted odd-even. So your first tearoff is pulled from the left side, and the next one from the right side, then the left, etc. Which is why you see tabs on both sides of the visor. 



#2343 ExFlagMan

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 13:05

Usually the non-tab end of each strip covers the tab of the one below to prevent pulling the whole lot off in one go by mistake.

#2344 E.B.

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 13:58

So the Chris Amon technique of accidentally ripping the whole visor off by mistake is probably a thing of the past? Shame.



#2345 E.B.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 14:13

Those signs at the NEC Autosport show that say "you are here" - what do they say when I'm not?

#2346 Module

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 14:26

Those signs at the NEC Autosport show that say "you are here" - what do they say when I'm not?

It follows you

 

This can easily be scientificly tested in for example a shopping center:

 

1. Go to a map and search for the dot "you are here". Verify that you actualy are there, this can be done by visual confirmation comparing the map and actual surrounding.

 

2. Move away from the map/sign and move to another place in the mall and look for a new map. The "you are heres" prefer for some reason to attach to maps and such.

 

3. When you find a map, confirm that the "you are here" has transfered to the new location.



#2347 ExFlagMan

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 16:21

When in such shopping centres I am always looking for the signs that say 'you do not want to be here' but for some reason I can never find one.
SWMBO has just seen the above and her comment was that the sign should say 'Your here now, so get over it!'

Edited by ExFlagMan, 12 January 2014 - 20:21.


#2348 DampMongoose

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 09:47

Those signs at the NEC Autosport show that say "you are here" - what do they say when I'm not?

 

Well everytime I've been there the signs haven't mentioned you EB, but they're clever those signs and they've always let me know that I am there when I look...

 

 

 

When in such shopping centres I am always looking for the signs that say 'you do not want to be here' but for some reason I can never find one.
 

 

Although no such signs exist in my experience, adequate visual indicators are provided by the pained expressions and perspiration on the gentlemen waiting laden with shopping bags, kicking the floor, sighing and looking at their watches near womens clothing retailers...



#2349 CoolBreeze

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:05

Question. 

 

What is 'toe' and 'camber' I understand it's a degree to run the front wheels, specifically. 

 

Also, in wet races, they tend to 'tilt' the upper front tyre more inwards. Is that 'toe'? Also, is the purpose of tilting the tyre more inwards? Better grip to prevent aquaplaning?

 

http://www.f1fanatic...0/09/2008-2.jpg

 

http://images.sporti...013_3039861.jpg



#2350 Beamer

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:32

toeandcamber.jpg

 

+ In wet it reduces the contact patch in a straight line, thus 'cutting' through the water easier. 

 

(Usage == Tire wear)


Edited by Beamer, 15 January 2014 - 09:35.