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#3251 DampMongoose

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 10:57

I'm pretty sure cars with a manual transmission have always had 3 pedals

 

Ferrari was the first semi auto in 1989, won first time out then DNF'ed for most of the rest of the season.

 

It was about 1993 before all cars had semi auto box's

 

As an aside, the Lotus 76 in 1974 had a button on the gearstick itself that electrically operated the clutch as a sort of early semi auto, along with the various pre-selector gearboxes in the 50;s and 60's although I think they still required a clutch pedal in racing form.



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#3252 Brother Fox

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 11:18

Yes. Alonso will only have 3 engines for the 18 races remaining... F1 rules are  :rolleyes:

 

:eek:

 

I did not realise that. What a horribly written rule.



#3253 Elba

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 11:37

:eek:

 

I did not realise that. What a horribly written rule.

Why? It\s 4 engines without penalty per car not per driver.

If they would do that some teams would just put in another driver once they used up their allocation and presto another free engine without penalty to score WCC points with.



#3254 Brother Fox

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 12:07

No serious team would do what youre suggesting, its the WDC that gets the attention.

 

So if a car gets destroyed in an accident, do the 4 engines start again for the new chassis they build? by that reasoning they should.



#3255 Exb

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 12:16

No serious team would do what youre suggesting, its the WDC that gets the attention.
 
So if a car gets destroyed in an accident, do the 4 engines start again for the new chassis they build? by that reasoning they should.


It is actually the driver that gets the allocation. The rules that cover it are here:
http://www.fia.com/s... 2015-03-01.pdf (page 20/21)
28.4 a) Unless he drives for more than one team (see 28.4(d) below), each driver may use no more than four power units during a Championship season.

d) If a driver is replaced at any time during the Championship season his replacement will be deemed to be the original driver for the purposes of assessing power unit usage.


Edit - also a team at the back of the grid will not be thinking about the WDC, but about gaining more points than its nearest rivals and so extra units that do not come with penalties would be very useful - I can totally see why the rules for this part are written like they are.

Edited by Exb, 19 March 2015 - 12:19.


#3256 Elba

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 12:22

No serious team would do what youre suggesting, its the WDC that gets the attention.

 

So if a car gets destroyed in an accident, do the 4 engines start again for the new chassis they build? by that reasoning they should.

Of course teams that have no driver in the WDC race would, to them it's the WCC that counts as it means $$$$

So again what's wrong with the way the rule is written? Not that I'm a fan of the rule btw.

 

@Exb: thx for finding the relevant rules for us lazy and ill informed sods  :up:



#3257 Brother Fox

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 12:52

I think its wrong that Alonso is penalised for sitting at home on medical advice.

 

I'm not really looking to argue over it though



#3258 Elba

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 13:09

I think its wrong that Alonso is penalised for sitting at home on medical advice.

 

I'm not really looking to argue over it though

Me neither so lets leave it at that  :kiss:

 

You do have a point though it feels a bit weird that without even turning a wheel he has already lost an engine.



#3259 BullHead

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 13:16

The team has lost an engine on one of its cars.

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#3260 purplehaireddolphin

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 13:32

stupid question

 

when Ron is interviewed about Honda he keeps referring to an OEM. What the hell is an OEM?



#3261 flatlander48

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 13:44

Original Equipment Manufacturer

#3262 Option1

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 13:44

Usually it refers to "Original Equipment Manufacturer".

 

<snap!>  :D

 

Neil


Edited by Option1, 19 March 2015 - 13:45.


#3263 Fastcake

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 13:57

:eek:

I did not realise that. What a horribly written rule.


It's not a new rule, if you were wondering. It's been that way since they started limiting the number of engines.

#3264 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 14:11

It makes sense, otherwise someone *would* replace their drivers for fresh engines.



#3265 brr

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 17:15

Inspired by the "McLaren-Honda's first victory" poll, what would be so far the worst season by a team with two world champion drivers?



#3266 brr

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 18:01

Inspired by the "McLaren-Honda's first victory" poll, what would be so far the worst season by a team with two world champion drivers?

 

Answering (partially) my own question, looking at seasons from 1980 to 2014 McLaren has tried double champ lineup five times and worst result was 3rd. But Ferrari wins with their only attempt in 2014, having finished 4th. Nobody else has tried it, unless it was pre-1980.



#3267 Risil

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 18:44

I think its wrong that Alonso is penalised for sitting at home on medical advice.

 

The way I look at it is that if Alonso had been racing at Melbourne, he would've lost an engine and not raced. Others are more If-allergic than me though.



#3268 DampMongoose

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 21:23

Answering (partially) my own question, looking at seasons from 1980 to 2014 McLaren has tried double champ lineup five times and worst result was 3rd. But Ferrari wins with their only attempt in 2014, having finished 4th. Nobody else has tried it, unless it was pre-1980.


Farina and Ascari = Ascari champion. Hulme and Fittipaldi = Fittipaldi champion McLaren 1st wcc. Clark and Hill = Clark 3rd Hill 7th Lotus 2nd wcc. Only first car for wcc mind.

Edited by DampMongoose, 19 March 2015 - 21:30.


#3269 E.B.

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 22:43

As an aside, the Lotus 76 in 1974 had a button on the gearstick itself that electrically operated the clutch as a sort of early semi auto, along with the various pre-selector gearboxes in the 50;s and 60's although I think they still required a clutch pedal in racing form.


The 76 actually had 4 pedals for a while (2 brake pedals). The debut race for the two 76s was slightly spoiled by them colliding with each other.

#3270 scheivlak

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 22:57

Original Equipment Manufacturer

Also: "Order Every Month" and "Old Economy Model" http://www.acronymfinder.com/OEM.html    :D



#3271 DampMongoose

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 11:09

The 76 actually had 4 pedals for a while (2 brake pedals). The debut race for the two 76s was slightly spoiled by them colliding with each other.

 

Ah but wasn't the brake pedal technically one pedal split in two in a v-shape? I guess the clutch pedal was redundant once moving?

 

Edit: Was the second brake pedal just for left foot braking on the other side of the column or did it have a Mclaren MP4/12 purpose?


Edited by DampMongoose, 20 March 2015 - 12:17.


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 23:51

I'd like to think I'm not a grammar nazi, but why is the Red Bull referred to as a "Red Bull Racing" on the official F1 graphics? I must have missed the "Scuderia Ferrari", "Team Lotus", "Williams Grand Prix Engineering" and "McLaren International" chassis to have competed throughout F1's storied history.


Edited by FerrariV12, 25 March 2015 - 23:52.


#3273 InvertedLift

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 11:49

I'd like to think I'm not a grammar nazi, but why is the Red Bull referred to as a "Red Bull Racing" on the official F1 graphics? I must have missed the "Scuderia Ferrari", "Team Lotus", "Williams Grand Prix Engineering" and "McLaren International" chassis to have competed throughout F1's storied history.

Because 'Red Bull' is a drinks company. 'Red Bull Racing', contrary to popular belief, is a racing team.



#3274 Nemick

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 11:57

Ah but wasn't the brake pedal technically one pedal split in two in a v-shape? I guess the clutch pedal was redundant once moving?

 

Edit: Was the second brake pedal just for left foot braking on the other side of the column or did it have a Mclaren MP4/12 purpose?

 

It was purely for left foot braking.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 01:06

Question:

 

When was the last race in which it was raining (all cars on full wet tyres) and race was started under normal start light procedure and NOT the under safety car?



#3276 Exb

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:57

Question:
 
When was the last race in which it was raining (all cars on full wet tyres) and race was started under normal start light procedure and NOT the under safety car?


What about Malaysia 2 years ago - does that count???

#3277 ExFlagMan

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 17:02

That may be the way Renault was delivering its power?
 
I guess that makes sense the 800 BHP mark... but why 800 surely the V8's were delivering more?

On the BBC coverage today they were talking of Mercedes having up to about 910 bhp.