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#1 Vicuna

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Posted 29 August 2006 - 20:54

The latest issue of MOTORSPORT has an interesting car for sale:

"Rare 1983 Theodore Ex-Bruno Giacomelli..."

Well it would be bloody rare because I can't ever recall Bruno putting his bum anywhere near a Theodore in 1983 or any other time!

Or did I miss something?

Also for sale:

"Formula Junior. 1959 unique car....located in Hampshire"

The identity is clearly a secret unless a unique manufacturer simply called his unique car 'Formula Junior'

While I'm on the topic of classifieds, I haven't seen Chris Alford's ads for a while. Is he still about?

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#2 fausto

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Posted 29 August 2006 - 20:57

Could be the Indycar he raced in 1984.....

:)

#3 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 29 August 2006 - 21:09

Must be the Cecotto Theodore they refer to.

:cool:

#4 Michael Clark

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Posted 30 August 2006 - 06:17

Originally posted by fausto
Could be the Indycar he raced in 1984.....

:)


I've checked my copy - it's no.33 with Valvoline - the 1982 car that Tommy Byrne ended up with perhaps?

#5 fausto

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Posted 30 August 2006 - 07:12

Originally posted by Michael Clark


I've checked my copy - it's no.33 with Valvoline - the 1982 car that Tommy Byrne ended up with perhaps?


Which issue/page?

Thanks!

:)

#6 Vicuna

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Posted 30 August 2006 - 07:33

The one with Bruce McLaren in a Can Am McLaren on the front cover.

The car in the photo is white - the Cecotto/Guerroro cars were navy and white as I recall.

So I would say it's an 81 or 82 Theodore - about the time Bruno was driving Alfas.

I cannot believe someone who owns a F1 car and wants to sell it hasn't got the nous to know its history before marketing it.

Or, yet again, am I missing something?

#7 fausto

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Posted 30 August 2006 - 07:46

The '83 F.1 Theodore was basically an Ensign, found the pic on the magazine, very small, cannot identify peculiar traits of the Theodore Indycar, cannot see the wastegate, however the lowline rear wing isn't exactly F.1, I'll look for Indycar pics, must have them, from GranPrixInternational....

#8 Twin Window

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Posted 30 August 2006 - 08:11

Originally posted by Michael Clark

...the 1982 car that Tommy Byrne ended up with perhaps?

Looks like it to me.

Originally posted by fausto

...however the lowline rear wing isn't exactly F.1...

That's how they were in 1982; in 1983 they were raised somewhat along with the flat-bottom regs.

#9 fausto

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Posted 30 August 2006 - 08:18

Giacomelli car at Long Beach '84 (the only race they contested) had #44, only two front pics from GPI, not very useful...

#10 macoran

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 00:23

The picture by-line says it's a 1982 Theodore TY02........it doesn't really look like one to me .
Any Ideas ?

http://webhome.idire...ng/img_1337.jpg

Edit: Silly me, of course it's a TY02, fitted with a big banger in this case.

#11 David M. Kane

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 00:33

Check out the Historic Grand Prix site, that car was raced by a fella named Eddie Claridge. It's an '82 TY-02.

#12 macoran

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 00:34

You are right, I've just edited my oversight.

It is the 82 Jan Lammers Monaco car (nosecone etc) with a big banger in it.

#13 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 02:20

But these are different cars! There were two Theodore TY02 cars built: TY02/1 and TY02/2. And as far as I know both are now owned by Eddie Claridge. The one that races in Historic Grand Prix and shown at HGP site is a Theodore TY02/2 with Cosworth DFV V8 3-litre engine. But Theodore TY02/1, which shown in Marc's picture, is quite different beast nowadays, although it was identical to TY02/2 back in 1982:

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Theodore TY02/1, Jan Lammers, 1982 Monaco GP

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Theodore TY02/2, Geoff Lees, 1982 Canadian GP

Visible changes to the Theodore TY02/1 in Marc's picture -- it's rear wing and engine -- are easy to explain, as in 1984 (after disastrous results in 1982 F1 WC and a non-raced year in 1983) it find its place in fading Can-Am series, where it was fitted with Chevrolet V8 5-litre engine and was raced four times by Bill Tempero (see the picture below); yes -- with the same success as it had in F1.

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More pictures as TY02/1 looks nowadays can be found on the following pages:

http://hsrrace.com/H...nks/HSRP-74DJUR
http://www.conceptca...spx?carID=13108
http://www.f5000regi.../othercars.html

#14 macoran

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 12:01

Thanks for that Eagle !
Great links !

#15 ghinzani

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 22:10

Originally posted by macoran
The picture by-line says it's a 1982 Theodore TY02........it doesn't really look like one to me .
Any Ideas ?

http://webhome.idire...ng/img_1337.jpg

Edit: Silly me, of course it's a TY02, fitted with a big banger in this case.


That is so wierd - I love it though, looks mad!

#16 David M. Kane

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 23:24

I've raced against both cars; but I never asked Eddie if they were the same car with different engines.

I think he converted the car to a F5000 because he is listed in the Zippo GP entry list last year as driving a TY02/F5000.



#17 Marc Sproule

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 22:31

Here's a couple of Bruno in '84, one at Long Beach and the other on the oval in Phoenix. Bruno contacted me today so I will be scanning and uploading more of him in the not too distant future.


http://www.flickr.co...@N03/4418664649

http://www.flickr.co...@N03/4419430554

http://www.flickr.co...s/46681980@N03/

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 02:06

That is so wierd - I love it though, looks mad!

Here's a link, on this forum, to some photos of that F5000 meeting the the tire wall at Watkins Glen during the Vintage Weekend, 2009.

http://forums.autosp...watkins F5000to

Edited by watkins, 16 April 2010 - 02:07.