The marshal injured in 1975 British GP crash
#1
Posted 02 September 2006 - 22:14
Then James Hunt piled in and hit Morgan head on, the front of Morgan's car acting like a launch ramp, with Morgan (still in the car) so nearly being hit in the face by either Hunt's nose or front wheel. Luckily, Morgan's car didn't move an inch. If the nose of his car hadn't launched Hunt's Hesketh over the top of him, the marshall would have surely been killed Then Wilson Fittipaldi joined in. Meanwhile, all the other marshalls were trying to get out of the way while the poor unconscious marshall still lay in the middle of the wreck.
Does anyone know the fate and identity of the marshall? I don't think he was killed, else it would have been documented. One of the marshalls (complete with longish hair and long sideburns) checked the marshall before Hunt and Fittipaldi crashed, but no one made any effort to get him out of the line of fire.
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#2
Posted 02 September 2006 - 22:29
I've no idea about any marshal being injured; most of the cars went off at Stowe and Club while I was at Becketts. Boy, did it rain! IIRC the first to crash was Tom Pryce who lost it in front of us, sending wooden catch-fencing posts flying in all directions - including over my head. I remember as if it were just weeks ago him walking back past us, totally (and understandably) ashen-faced...
#3
Posted 02 September 2006 - 22:44
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Posted 02 September 2006 - 22:47
#5
Posted 02 September 2006 - 22:58
#6
Posted 02 September 2006 - 23:13
#7
Posted 02 September 2006 - 23:18
Anyway, I'm sending them an email to say what a good job they've done and also how to improve it a little!
#8
Posted 03 September 2006 - 08:52
#9
Posted 03 September 2006 - 12:11
Wasn't Gerry Marshall driving a Capri? His shunt happened right in front of me at the entry to Club. I remember just looking up from my programme and seeing the car high in the air upside down!
Edward
#10
Posted 03 September 2006 - 15:35
No no no. Bernie owns the TV rights to Formula 1 from 1982 onwards, before that who ever filmed the races owns that said footage. ITV being the only channel alowed to show it?? Rubbish.
#11
Posted 03 September 2006 - 17:35
Originally posted by Gary C
LADS!! Let's get this straight. The footage ESPN Classic are showing is the original BBC footage/programmes from the time. The only thing ESPN have done is put in a commercial break! So any comments about editing, camera angles, graphics etc should be directed at the BBC circa when the race was filmed.
Really? So, they didn't show full races on the BBC pre-1978?
#12
Posted 03 September 2006 - 17:44
Of course the only proper response was to go round a friend's house and play scalextric while the race rumbled away in the background...
#13
Posted 03 September 2006 - 17:50
Originally posted by SEdward
Twinny.
Wasn't Gerry Marshall driving a Capri? His shunt happened right in front of me at the entry to Club. I remember just looking up from my programme and seeing the car high in the air upside down!
Edward
No. Gerry Marshall was driving a Triumph Dolomite and was recovered from the rear seats area of the car. During his role the driver seat became detached from its mountings!
It was a huge shunt and he was very lucky not to suffer greater injuries
#14
Posted 03 September 2006 - 18:41
#15
Posted 03 September 2006 - 18:50
Murray & James didn't start attending the actual races for a little whiule.
The picture shows the production staff with Murray on the phone on the far right with James Hunt sitting in the middle of the shot. The VT machines would have been where the guys are gathered on the left of the pic just out of shot, recording the incoming pictures. Murray & James would then add their commentary to the edit of the race a little later & the programme would be transmitted later that Sunday evening.
#16
Posted 03 September 2006 - 18:55
FYI : Those are one inch video tapes on the far left, the first is a 30 minute tape, middle one of a 90, third one is a 60 minute tape.
#17
Posted 03 September 2006 - 20:13
So, they showed full races on ORF (Austrian TV channel, is it?) from at least 1972 onwards.
#18
Posted 03 September 2006 - 20:25
#19
Posted 03 September 2006 - 21:14
(Any more?)
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#20
Posted 03 September 2006 - 21:30
Anyone able to update us on this?
#21
Posted 04 September 2006 - 07:45
#22
Posted 04 September 2006 - 08:08
....Down at Club near-tragedy saw Brise beat down the catch fences in a heavy accident wich tore his helmet off inflicting concussion and facial injuries, while Howard Tilden, the chief marshal there was felled by following cars which carered and cannoned helplessly trough the torn-down fencing. Scheckter destroyed the front of his Tyrell against the bank, ..... Debries also slightly injured one spectator and a crash at Woodcote (Jarier) a pole from a catchfence hit and injured a woman spectator.
#23
Posted 04 September 2006 - 20:44
#24
Posted 04 September 2006 - 20:56
Originally posted by Paul Taylor
Thanks for posting that, Hugo. I think Jarier whacked his head as well. I never knew Brise lost his helmet. What a completely stupid idea catch fencing was!
Not only did it cost money to replace ( I remember it being said that it cost £100 a row during the 80's) but there were always delays while it was repaired...Which could mean we would loose the last race of the day.
Usually this was Formula Ford..........So a lot of money could be saved, I suppose ;)
#25
Posted 04 September 2006 - 21:10
Jarier's GPA lid split, IIRC.
Those catch-fences were, as stated earlier, a complete liability.
#26
Posted 05 September 2006 - 14:54
Originally posted by Bill Becketts
No. Gerry Marshall was driving a Triumph Dolomite and was recovered from the rear seats area of the car. During his role the driver seat became detached from its mountings!
It was a huge shunt and he was very lucky not to suffer greater injuries
Yep, definately a Dolomite. I remember it well, one of the biggest shunts I've ever seen. I seem to recall reading, years later, that the back injury he sustained was the contributing factor to Gerry not getting a drive with the Rover SD1 team the following year. Now that would have been a wonderful combination.
I think the long term legacy of this shunt left him unable to walk very far in later years and often relaint on an electric buggy.
Simon Lewis
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#27
Posted 05 September 2006 - 20:34
Now maybe it's because i've been brought up in the pedantic world of the sport in it's current guise, but i can't help but point out that on what would have been Fittipaldi's 58th circulation maybe (if not, then certainly his 57th - the race results being taken from lap 56 remember), with a red flag out at the start/finish line, & yellows with accompanying oil flags being shown almost all round the circuit, Emerson passed Alan Jones's Embassy Hill car at Abbey on his way to the startline where he would park.
Don't ask me why i find this interesting...i just do. I can only guess it's a case of the current generation of fans being conditioned to look for the tiniest little transgression such as this.
Having said that though, what a marvellous race the '75 British GP is, what an event! And there was so much that was unseen during that ESPN classic broadcast as well. I've subsequently played with all the available material that i've got here and there are several notable incidents missing....
*They showed in the coverage Ragazzoni closing on Pace for the lead on about lap 10 or so. The subseqent overtaking manoevure at the new woodcote chicane for P1 is'nt there.
*The whole pitlane show when the rain started in the first shower. Regazzoni leaving the pits after the rear wing amendment was shown, as was the Pryce incident at Becketts. What was'nt shown was Scheckter's stop for wets, and Lauda's screwed-up pitstop, when he left the pitbox, did a Mansell.....and stopped dead in the outer lane of the pitlane for ages. I read subsequently that it was due to a wheel-nut not being done up properly. Sideways Scheckter, on his wets, passed three cars (!) and went from P4 to P1 in the space of about 600 yards between chapel curve, and the entrance to Stowe.....awesome stuff. Behind him Jarier was also on wets and climbing inexorably through the field to second.
*Scheckter then pitted from the lead as it dried out, to go back onto slick tyres, giving Jarier the lead......which is where the ESPN classic show picked up the coverage again, after adverts.
It's taken me most of the day, studying through race reports and checking tapes to work out what was missed...cos it was really doing my nut, that i had'nt a clue how the hell Jarier got into the lead when ESPN came back from ads
There's only so much you can show in a 25 minute highlights package though, and i don't blame ESPN for missing key bits....there was after all, a lot to cover.
Thinking on it a little further, Britain 1975 seems to be very much like Monaco 1982..... Both of them are really cracking races, with great action, a very close covering of the lead positions, overtaking......but sadly the first 75% of both races is never remembered, due to the extraordinary events that would happen later. Seems a shame that, really.
#28
Posted 05 September 2006 - 21:08
I think you mean the BBC !
#29
Posted 05 September 2006 - 21:21
Originally posted by Gary C
'and i don't blame ESPN for missing key bits...'
I think you mean the BBC !
Which is exactly why you can't blame ESPN
#30
Posted 05 September 2006 - 21:31
Anyway, my point. I am pleased to say I can add a photo to the Gerry Marshall crash. I can add no information as I didn't take the image, it was included in a lot of programmes I bought on ebay.
It was reported that Gerry was removed from the rear of the car - look at the roof ! The poor man must have been thrown around like a rag doll.
#31
Posted 05 September 2006 - 23:31
Originally posted by Gary C
'and i don't blame ESPN for missing key bits...'
I think you mean the BBC !
Nope Gary, i mean ESPN!...
What ESPN have gone and bought is the rights to show the archive of the BBC British Grand Prix tapes. i.e. the full lot of whatever the beeb has / had of these races. Whichever way the lengths are subsequently cut and edited to reflect a 24 / 52 minutes programming slot has been done by ESPN.
Typical example being yer Britain 1973 investigation from last year. Full length just over 2 hrs i recall you saying. ESPN take the tape, shape it down to a 52 min slot and fired it out.
1977....the retro film. Original BBC size - 30 mins. ESPN chop and shape down to 22 minutes.
1975. Original size, unknown. Probably not full length. Indeed, JYS introducing what he saw "5 hours ago" would suggest the 30-40 mins highlights programme - almost guaranteed longer than 22 mins. ESPN chop bits to suit the 30 mins slot inc. ads. Result = ESPN cut bits, not the beeb.
#32
Posted 06 September 2006 - 06:03
Edward
#33
Posted 06 September 2006 - 06:30
#34
Posted 06 September 2006 - 12:36
I only caught a few bits of it and I found it amazing watching this series just how things were back then (starting procedure, marshals on track etc).
I really hope that they repeat them (they seem to replay old soccer games enough) and this weekend the 78 race seems to be on again.
Geoff
#36
Posted 05 July 2011 - 19:19
#37
Posted 05 July 2011 - 20:22
I can assure you that the only footage left of these races are the highlights packages (apart from the 73 race of couirse), everything else has been dumped. I know, as I've been through the BBC computer library system.
Thanks for the update Zak. What Gary tells is a real shame because Edward is right, it was a cracking race. In those early laps, up until the point when Regazzoni spun at Club, in the first shower I think, it was a straight fight; Tom Pryce, Carlos Pace and the Ferraris. Clay looked really feisty, hunting down the Shadow and the Brabham, and somewhere, from a camera angle on the inside of Woodcote, I've seen footage of his Ferrari outbraking one of them into the chicane.
I still think Brambilla deserved second place at the end! (I meant to say, I don't think Howard Tilden was badly hurt but someone may know otherwise).
Edited by john winfield, 05 July 2011 - 20:24.
#38
Posted 11 November 2011 - 12:50
#39
Posted 11 November 2011 - 15:27
Does anyone know the fate and identity of the marshall? I don't think he was killed, else it would have been documented. One of the marshalls (complete with longish hair and long sideburns) checked the marshall before Hunt and Fittipaldi crashed, but no one made any effort to get him out of the line of fire.
IIRC he made a full recovery. Broken leg and dislocated shoulder if I remember correctly.
I was a marshal up at Stowe for that race. The sheer volume of water that fell in such a short time caught many of the drivers out. We had to deal with Donahue, Mass and Watson who simply aquaplaned off into the catch fencing. Others got through, just, and promptly went off at Club.
We were discouraged from jumping down off the walls until the accident(s) had finished after that.
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#40
Posted 13 November 2011 - 21:43
Twinny.
Wasn't Gerry Marshall driving a Capri? His shunt happened right in front of me at the entry to Club. I remember just looking up from my programme and seeing the car high in the air upside down!
Edward
Confusion possibly relating to the Saloon support race in 1973, when Booth, Brodie and Marshall came together with the Capri barrel rolling. This is covered extensively on another thread and imo was the final nail in Group 2's coffin in the UK.
#41
Posted 13 November 2011 - 22:47
Confusion possibly relating to the Saloon support race in 1973, when Booth, Brodie and Marshall came together with the Capri barrel rolling. This is covered extensively on another thread and imo was the final nail in Group 2's coffin in the UK.
It was Booth, Brodie and Matthews at Abbey in 1973. Wasn't Gerry Marshall's 1978 / 79 accident at Club in a Dolomite ?
#43
Posted 14 November 2011 - 05:29
Yes indeed - 1979 GP support saloon race. I have very vivid memories of looking up and seeing the car barrel-rolling towards me. Here's Simon Lewis's photo of the wreck:Wasn't Gerry Marshall's 1978 / 79 accident at Club in a Dolomite ?
I was a bit up the road, towards Abbey and likewise, it's vividly etched in my memory! Terrifying. Especially as Gerry was always a hero of mine.
Here's the damage as seen from the back...
The roll cage stood up well to the impact(s) but the driver's seat didn't , I seem to recall.
And am I right in thinking that, as happened at the time, the race continued unabated apart from a stationary yelllow ?
But for this shunt , GM apparently would have been driving a works Rover in 1980 ... :
#44
Posted 14 November 2011 - 22:45
It was Booth, Brodie and Matthews at Abbey in 1973. Wasn't Gerry Marshall's 1978 / 79 accident at Club in a Dolomite ?
Sorry, that was what i meant to type. Quite incredibla that Matthews got out alive, although he was badly injured and his heart actually stopped. I believe he would have been a works Ford driver the following year.