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[DNQ]

Hi all, I'm a regular reader, irregular poster who runs the Chequered Flag website. It's just a site I maintain in between uni and work, with user submitted articles bla bla bla.

Anyhow ... a few years ago (2002 I think) I started working on a comprehensive list of results for major Australian races and championships. IIRC I actually posted about it on here. Anyway, it's been offline for about a year since I re-did the site, but I've resurrected it today, and put it back online.

It's here: http://cfm.globalf1....c/001/index.htm

Now ... there's quite a few holes in this, as it's been a few years since I last updated it. And from the outset there were plenty of championships missing.

A few of the results I'm after:

- Australian Grand Prix Touring Car Supports
- Australian Grand Prix Celebrity Race
- World Series Sprintcar Champions (website not working for me)
- Australian Hillclimb Champions
- Australian Formula Vee Champions
- Results of any other major race or championship not featured
- Links to any websites that may help would be appreciated

Cheers

[Robert Bailey]

Hi try these two.www.natsoft.com.au and www.racetime.com.au and the AGP web site.

[Robert Bailey]

also the CAMS yearbook for historic results like hillclimb ect

[DNQ]

I'd already taken a look there for a few bits and pieces, but ta anyway, both are valuable resources

I've just updated with a tonne of results, updated results for A1GP at the Creek, the Australian Touring Car Challenge, V8 Utes etc. I've also clarified the Nations Cup and GT-P results. I'm planning for each series to write a short piece (10-50 words depending on the series) outlining the various guises each series took.

In addition, some of you racing buffs might have a nerdgasm from this other little piece I've put online - http://cfm.globalf1....c/002/index.htm . It's just a bunch of completely random stats and bits and pieces. Interesting stuff, I reckon anyway!

[subh]

Interesting stuff, and I hope you won’t mind if I point out a couple of amendments...

You’ve listed David Coulthard as English twice - he’s from Scotland.
You’ve spelt Riccardo Patrese without one ‘C’, I think three times.
The ‘Return Home’ links do not actually point to a web address.

I’ll be on my way now.

[DNQ]

Thanks, be as critical as you want. It's so easy to not pick up mistakes in your own work, so it's always good to get someone else pointing out things I've overlooked.

[Rob29]

Originally posted by subh
Interesting stuff, and I hope you won’t mind if I point out a couple of amendments...

You’ve listed David Coulthard as English twice - he’s from Scotland.
You’ve spelt Riccardo Patrese without one ‘C’, I think three times.
The ‘Return Home’ links do not actually point to a web address.

I’ll be on my way now.

There is no such nationality as English or Scottish as far as motorsport is concerned -the correct code is 'GB'

[David Hyland]

Originally posted by DNQ
http://cfm.globalf1....c/002/index.htm

A couple of minor corrections:

> Most 1-2 Results in a season: 14, Senna/Prost (1988)

Without checking, I'm fairly confident it was "only" 10.

> Most Australian Touring Car Championshis: 5 (Mark Skaife, 1992, 1994, 2000-02)

Championships

And a comment:

> Most races: 256, Riccardo Patrese

It's been widely commented upon that this will be the only "major record" that Michael Schumacher will fail to capture - all things being equal he will end up with 250 races. Does anyone happen to remember how many events he missed through injury in 1999 - by any chance was it 6?

David.

[Ray Bell]

I think not... perhaps four...

Originally posted by DNQ
.....A few of the results I'm after:

- Australian Grand Prix Touring Car Supports
- Australian Grand Prix Celebrity Race
- World Series Sprintcar Champions (website not working for me)
- Australian Hillclimb Champions
- Australian Formula Vee Champions
- Results of any other major race or championship not featured
- Links to any websites that may help would be appreciated

There was never an Australian Formula Vee Champion. It was written into the rules that there would never be an Australian title for this class. Along with another class or two, I might add.

For this reason, to circumvent the rules, the various Formula Vee Associations had an unofficial 'championship' race each year. I was looking at details of the first one (at Hume Weir) just the other day, but I can't recall when it was held. Later it became known as the National Challenge, with the passage of time allowing it to become discussed as a championship, but it's not actually such.

Australian Hillclimb Champions:

1938 - Peter Whitehead (ERA)
1947 - Arthur Wylie (Wylie Special)
1948 - Frank Kleinig (Kleinig Hudson)
1949 - Frank Kleinig (Kleinig Hudson)
1949 - John Barraclough (MG K3)*
1950 - K Martin (Cooper 1000)
1951 - Jack Brabham (Twin Special speedcar)
1952 - John Crouch (Cooper)
1953 - Reg Hunt (Vincent 1000 sc)
1954 - Bill Patterson (Cooper JAP)
1955 - Lex Davison (Cooper Vincent)
1956 - Lex Davison (Cooper Vincent)
1957 - Lex Davison (Cooper Irving)
1958 - Bruce Walton (Walton Cooper)
1959 - Bruce Walton (Walton Cooper)
1960 - Bruce Walton (Walton Cooper)
1961 - Bruce Walton (Walton Cooper)
1962 - Bruce Walton (Walton Cooper)
1963 - Bruce Walton (Walton Cooper)
1964 - Ivan Tighe (Tighe Vincent)
1965 - Tim Schenken (White 500)
1966 - Allan Hamilton (Porsche)
1967 - Greg Cusack (Repco Brabham 2.5)
1968 - Dick White (White 1500)
1969 - Dick White (White 2000)
1970 - Paul England (Ausca)
1971 - Allan Hamilton (Porsche)
1972 - Murray Bingham (Bingham Cobra)+
1973 - Paul England (Ausca VW)+
1974 - Paul England (Ausca VW)+
1975 - Stan Keen (Elfin MR5)+
1976 - Peter Holinger (Holinger)
1977 - Ian Judd (Cheetah Olds)
1978 - Peter Holinger (Holinger)
1979 - Peter Holinger (Holinger)
1980 - Kim Rohrlach (VW Special)
1981 - Allan Hamilton (Porsche Special)
1982 - Kim Rohrlach (VW Special sc)
1983 - Roger Harrison (Elfin 600C)
1984 - Warren Brown (Sceptre V8)
1985 - Ivan Tighe (Chevron B38)
1986 - Kim Rohrlach (Elfin)
1987 - Kim Rohrlach (VW Special)
1988 - Peter Holinger (Holinger Repco)
1989 - Allan Hamilton (Lola)
1990 - G McFadyen (Bowin)
1991 - Ivan Tighe (Kaditcha)
1992 - J Davies (DBF Kawasaki)
1993 - Stan Keen (Brabham)
1994 - G Harrison (Tiga)
1995 J Davies (DBF)

* For some reason there were two championship climbs in 1949.

+ National series, not single events.

Anyone with a more recent copy of the CAMS Manual can add the rest.

[sterling49]

"There is no such nationality as English or Scottish as far as motorsport is concerned -the correct code is 'GB'"


I thought Nationality went like this....British if they win.....Scottish, Welsh, Irish if they lose......

Me, I just think we all live on the same small island, what the heck!!!! However I can never bring myself to support Andrew Murray after his comments over the England World Cup Squad......shame on him!!!!!

Good work DNQ........I too find it awkward to proof my own work........

[conjohn]

Originally posted by David Hyland
> Most races: 256, Riccardo Patrese

It's been widely commented upon that this will be the only "major record" that Michael Schumacher will fail to capture - all things being equal he will end up with 250 races. Does anyone happen to remember how many events he missed through injury in 1999 - by any chance was it 6?

David.

Yes, he missed rounds 9 to 14...

[DNQ]

Well at least it's one non-MS record that still stands ... after-all, he got everything else basically.

Anyway, back on topic!

Cheers Ray for those hillclimb results. Duly added. I've also added some brief comments about each race/championship in most cases. Also added some NZ Touring Car results, and a few other bits and bobs.

I'm having troubles finding any NZ Touring Car results from before about 2002? Any ideas?

Future Touring - I've got champions listed for 2001-2002 - but was the series ever contested after then, or did it just fall in a heap when TOCA basically collapsed here in Australia?

Also - Repco Round Australia Trial - Brock won it in 79 in a Commodore, but who else did he drive with? And has the round australia trial been run on any other occasions??

What other categories am I missing that should be listed? Races?

Cheers for the replies

[Ray Bell]

There were round-Australia trials through the fifties, then in 1964, 1970 and 1979, and another later on, as well as some re-runs and some events restricted to older cars.

Brock's co-drivers were navigator Noel Richards and mechanic/driver Matt Philip.

The Super Touring Cars dispersed, but some are owned by people like Rod Dale, who is creating racing for them combined with other outdated cars.

[roger saretzki]

hello

can anybody help with the results from the 1964 NSW championchip . i have a picture here
that says that this championchip was won by kurt keller in a lotus 20..............

best regards from germany , roger

[mctshirt]

Originally posted by DNQ

I'm having troubles finding any NZ Touring Car results from before about 2002? Any ideas?

This may help: http://www.motorspor...s/champions.htm

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by roger saretzki
can anybody help with the results from the 1964 NSW championchip . i have a picture here that says that this championchip was won by kurt keller in a lotus 20.......

He didn't do it, Roger...

The 1964 NSW Racing Car Championship was run at Catalina Park on May 17 and won by Frank Matich. To my knowledge there were no class awards, but it wouldn't matter... Kurt Keller wasn't even in the race.

He had won, however, the non-qualifiers' race for those cars not going fast enough in practice to be in with the quicker ones, or for second-entry drivers of the one car. His car, the Lotus 20 entered by Kurt Keller Motors, did run in the main event driven by Alan Felton. It placed third in the 1100cc class behind David Walker and Ralph Sach.

To my knowledge, this non-qualifiers' race is the only race Kurt ever won outright in Australia.

[sterling49]

Originally posted by Ray Bell
I think not... perhaps four...



1965 - Tim Schenken (White 500)

Surprised to see Tim Schenken's name here, but it obviously was part of his grounding before he came to the UK in ??? 1968? He came as a mechanis at first, great driver, used to see him regularly in FF, F3 and as he made his way up the ladder.

[Ray Bell]

Tim's name here was really made in the Lotus 18 he drove... well after Lotus 18s were out of date...

[Bruce R Moxon]

And here's a list (and brief history of the event) of winners of the Australian Motorkhana Championship.

http://www.geocities...ampionship.html




BM

[DNQ]

Great to see this topic ressurrected, I thought no one was interested in it.

Cheers for the links to the NZ/Motorkhana results guys. They'll be up shortly.

I've been thinking that in addition to this page of Australian/NZ results, I may well make a huge focus on the ATCC. There are IMO nowhere near enough sites dealing with ATCC history. But that's a project for summer uni holidays.

[roger saretzki]

hello ray

thank you very for this informations . tonight i will scan a few more photos for you , i get from
kurt´s brother robert....................

[Ray Bell]

Good, Roger, you'll post them on your Kurt Keller thread then?

[DNQ]

OK - here's a question:

What do people want to see with this project? I envisage this as somehow being the central place for the history of Australian motorsport results on the internet. Are there any suggestions? Anything I could do to make it better?

[Bruce R Moxon]

Originally posted by DNQ
OK - here's a question:

What do people want to see with this project? I envisage this as somehow being the central place for the history of Australian motorsport results on the internet. Are there any suggestions? Anything I could do to make it better?

No particular desire, but I wonder if maybe it hasn't all been done already. Have you checked the VERSIX stuff, available via conrod.com.au


BM

[DNQ]

I have, but that's only V8supercar races until 2004, correct???

[Bruce R Moxon]

Originally posted by DNQ
I have, but that's only V8supercar races until 2004, correct???

Oh! I should have checked for myself - I was under the impression it was far more comprehensive than that.

You can add the 2006 Motorkhana Champion, effective yesterday - Wayne Griffiths, Terrier Special. The event was at Willowbank. And the margin was .14 seconds, after over 250 seconds of competition. Close, eh?



Bruce moxon

[DNQ]

A few updates.

Motorkhana Champions will be added in the next few days.

The big update is that the entire almanac of results has moved. It is now here:

http://cfm.globalf1.net/?page_id=6.

I am looking at expanding that part of the site to gradually move further outwards from Australia. I've already started with a few NZ championships, next up I'll add some Asian results, and go from there.

[jcurran]

G'day All,

Just a quick note, all results that can generally be found on the net are always for the champions only. They hardly ever report on the who came second and third etc. It would be really good to see an archive that does list a little more than just the champs.

Well that my two cents worth.

Cheers JC

[Terry Walker]

A small beginning:

www.terrywalkersplace.com

has some detailed pre-1969 Western Australian results, including lap times in some cases. My eventual goal is to have full results for every event run in Western Oz, which ought to keep me busy until 2016 at least.

Or is that 2116?

[DNQ]

Originally posted by jcurran
G'day All,

Just a quick note, all results that can generally be found on the net are always for the champions only. They hardly ever report on the who came second and third etc. It would be really good to see an archive that does list a little more than just the champs.

Well that my two cents worth.

Cheers JC

That is so true.

Unfortunantly, time constraints are always in the road aren't they. But who knows ... maybe when the project reaches a satisfying level I can branch out into better breakdowns of results.

Terry - great to see another Aussie results project off the ground.

[DNQ]

November 6, 2006

Updated

• Australian Formula 2 Championship

Additions

• Australian 1.5 Litre Championship
• World Series Sprintcars
• Australian Formula Junior Championship

[David McKinney]

Keep it up, DNQ
A couple of things on the latest records
Surely Cesario's 1982 mount was an RT3-Golf, not an RT1-Ford?
And of course it's Bib Stillwell, not Bob

Also, my understanding - and I'm sure I'll be corrected of I'm wrong - is that in 1968 ANF2 (1100) was renamed ANF3, and the 1500 formula became ANF2

[racer69]

Originally posted by DNQ
- Australian Grand Prix Touring Car Supports

I have some of these race winners;

1980 - I've been led to believe Bob Morris in the Re-Car Commodore.
1981 - Peter Brock (Holden Commodore)
1982 - the AGP clashed with the Surfers Paradise Endurance Championship round
1983 - George Fury (Nissan Bluebird)
1984 - George Fury (Nissan Bluebird)
1985 - Dick Johnson (Ford Mustang)
1986 - Allan Grice (Holden Commodore)
1987 - Dick Johnson (Ford Sierra RS500)
1988 - Larry Perkins (Holden Commodore)
1989 - Race 1 - Tony Longhurst (Ford Sierra RS500)
- Race 2 - Tony Longhurst (Ford Sierra RS500)


Also regarding the Round Australia Trials;

1995 was won by Ed Ordynski & Ross Runnalls in a VR Holden Commodore

1998 was won by Bruce Garland (can't think of the navigators names at the moment) in a Holden Jackaroo

[DNQ]

Thanks racer and David. Changes/additions duly made.

November 8, 2006

Updated

• Australian Formula 2 Championship
• Australian Production Car Championship
• Round Australia Trial

Additions

• Toyota Racing Series
• Australian Grand Prix - Touring Car Supports