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#1 racefun

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 17:31

Hi, as some of you have seen in another tread, i am searching for pictures and historie for the Lola T165, different histories about how many there was buildt 3 or 4, ho bought them and who did they sell them to, where did they race and pictures ofcourse, if you have info of one or more of this cars i would like to know.
all info would be nice to know, because one of my friends just bought one.


if you have one pic in high resulution you can mail me direct with it,

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#2 NGSmith

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 04:05

Try asking the Lola gang...

http://www.lolaheritage.co.uk/

#3 racefun

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 07:38

Gerald dont know anything, I been there :) thanks anyway

#4 Jerry Entin

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 13:50

Keld: You are wrong about Gerald. He knows plenty. It is just once the cars left the factory and came to the states they were handled by Carl Hass. Hass doesn't remember what happened to each car and never had a log that would say who the owners were. He only knew if you needed parts and ordered them from him who you were. Alot of these cars were wrecked and new tubs put on. In some cases cars were made that never existed. Cars were also updated with newer suspension configurations and bodies. Thus, it has become harder over the years to tell the history of each car. Or, as the orginizer of one race said. "I want to thank the owners of the 14 McLaren M8F's who have brought their cars here. It is great to have 14 of the original 8 cars here."

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 15:00

Jerry: :p :blush: Ofcourse Gerald know, but i just talked to him and he know nothing about the 165 I ask about :p
In fact i told him something so we can collect a little story while somebody still remember.

#6 Bob Riebe

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 19:09

I be.lieve Jack Hinkles car was a 165.

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#7 RA Historian

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 01:39

I am aware of three Lola T-165s in the US in 1970. They were owned by Jack Hinkle, Jerry Hansen, and Peter Gregg. Over time all three have shown up at the July RA historic meeting. Hinkle ran his for 10 seasons. He won many races, among them the 1970 and 1973 Road America June Sprints. Hansen ran his for one year, 1970, with many SCCA wins. As far as I can recall, Gregg used his rather sparingly.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 01:52

Originally posted by RA Historian
I am aware of three Lola T-165s in the US in 1970. They were owned by Jack Hinkle, Jerry Hansen, and Peter Gregg. Over time all three have shown up at the July RA historic meeting. Hinkle ran his for 10 seasons. He won many races, among them the 1970 and 1973 Road America June Sprints. Hansen ran his for one year, 1970, with many SCCA wins. As far as I can recall, Gregg used his rather sparingly.

Unless I was miss-informed, I am from Mn, and it was thiry plus years ago, Hansen's was Chuck Parson's ex-team car, one reason Jerry adapted that color for his own.
Jerry only bought top rank equipment.
His first Lola and the Lola 220, he ran, were also reported to have been he ex-team cars.
His only McLaren was an M6A.
Bob

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 02:02

Originally posted by Bob Riebe

Unless I was miss-informed, I am from Mn, and it was thiry plus years ago, Hansen's was Chuck Parson's ex-team car, one reason Jerry adapted that color for his own.
Jerry only bought top rank equipment.
His first Lola and the Lola 220, he ran, were also reported to have been he ex-team cars.
His only McLaren was an M6A.
Bob


Nope, Hansen bought a brand new T-165 from Carl Haas for 1970. Parsons' 1969 T-163 was sold to Dick Durant.

His first Lola was a T-70 that he bought from Roger Penske at the end of 1967. He sold that car to Dick Kantrud in mid-1968 and bought another T-70, this one from Carroll Shelby. He then sold that car to Jerry Rosbach. In 1969 he had two different T-160s. The first was bought from Geoge Bignotti and the second from Dan Gurney. Then he bought the new T-165 mentioned above, and at the end of the season bought the T-220 from Haas. He ran the T-220 off and on from then through 1977.

As far as McLarens are concerned, Jerry had a M1C for most of 1967. He bought the ex-Bruce M6A from Penske at the end of 1968 but sold it shortly thereafter to Dave Causey. He briefly owned the M6B prototype which was ex-Penske and was also owned around the same time by Fred Baker. In addition, Hansen bought a new M10 F-5000 car for 1969 but did not race it much before destroying it at Road America in July, 1969. So Hansen owned at least four McLarens.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 02:39

Did he pick up the M1C after the Chevette?
Which cars did he use in the ARRC, or whatever name it was call depending on year?
Interesting.
Bob

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 02:56

In 1967 Jerry Hansen used the ex-Penske Lola T-70 at the ARRC at Daytona.

He was timed in the traps on the backstretch at 197 MPH, which made the headlines of the Daytona newspaper the next day, something like "Sports car goes 197 at Speedway."

At the time that was really news.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 03:56

Originally posted by Bob Riebe
Did he pick up the M1C after the Chevette?
Which cars did he use in the ARRC, or whatever name it was call depending on year?
Interesting.
Bob


Hansen had the Chevette (McKee Mk. II) in 1964-65. For 1966 he bought the Jerry Grant Lotus 19-Chev to use while his Wolverine Special was being built. After he got the Wolverine, he sold the Lotus to Dick Kantrud. Then, for 1967 he bought a new McLaren M1C (McLaren Elva Mk III).

For the Runoffs, under its various names, he won in 1967 in the ex-Penske Lola T-70 and in 1968 in the ex-Penske McLaren M6A. For 1969 he qualified over the season driving two different Lola T-160s, but both were small block Chevy powered. For that year's Runoffs he rented George Eaton's McLaren M12 because it had the big block. He had mechanical problems and did not win in 1970 driving the T-220 but won with it in 1971. In 1972 he won again, this time in the T-310 which he bought from Haas, drove that one race, then sold.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:04

I think I might know who "RA Historian" is :)

Welcome, old friend :wave:

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 12:03

Originally posted by Allen Brown
I think I might know who "RA Historian" is :)

Welcome, old friend :wave:

Allen


Allen, Hi, how are you..........
Best,
Tom

#15 Allen Brown

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 12:05

I'm very well. Hope you are too. It's good to have you here on TNF, not just for your encyclopedic knowledge of Road America but also for your fabulous photographs.

Allen

#16 Bob Riebe

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 18:09

Originally posted by RA Historian


Hansen had the Chevette (McKee Mk. II) in 1964-65. For 1966 he bought the Jerry Grant Lotus 19-Chev to use while his Wolverine Special was being built. After he got the Wolverine, he sold the Lotus to Dick Kantrud. Then, for 1967 he bought a new McLaren M1C (McLaren Elva Mk III).

For the Runoffs, under its various names, he won in 1967 in the ex-Penske Lola T-70 and in 1968 in the ex-Penske McLaren M6A. For 1969 he qualified over the season driving two different Lola T-160s, but both were small block Chevy powered. For that year's Runoffs he rented George Eaton's McLaren M12 because it had the big block. He had mechanical problems and did not win in 1970 driving the T-220 but won with it in 1971. In 1972 he won again, this time in the T-310 which he bought from Haas, drove that one race, then sold.


Ha, I thought he had used the 310 also.
I used to speak often with people who frequented Donnybrooke and Road America, concerning SCCA Nationals, but thirty years is a long time to keep things straight.
With as much time as I used to spend at race tracks, I even spoke with some of his team memebers, I never spoke to Jerry, I guess I thought he would run Donnybrooke forever.
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 23:27

Parsons' 1969 T-163 was sold to Dick Durant.


Now owned by Scott Bader of Los Angeles who used it to finish 4th in 2005 at the Monterey Historics.
I believe that one of the 165 is owned today by Tom Armstrong, unless it is a re-bodied 163?

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 04:39

Tom Armstrong's car is listed as 162-13, apparently ex-Monte Shelton in '72 Can Am.

Vince H.