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[Allen Brown]

I am interesting in the idea of Wikis and whether the history of our sport could be satisfactorily documented via such a mechanism.

As an experiment, I've started a new page on Wikipedia covering the French hill climb championship and would invite TNFers to contribute what they know.

Note that Wikipedia's policies ban original research so anything you contribute must be verifiable from books, magazine articles or other websites.

Allen

[chofar]

Hello, interesting initiative.

Do you know about that site :

http://cote.passion..../historique.htm

[Allen Brown]

Yes - I have linked to it at the foot of the Wikipedia page.

That site draws much of its content from "Les Rois de la Montagne" by Fernand Faivre and Claude Maillard which only covers the series up to 1987. I'm curious how much further we can get as a joint effort.

Allen

[FLB]

If anybody is going to the IMSRRC at Watkins Glen, in 2004 I donated the 1983 edition of L'année Échappement, which was an annual covering French racing. There is an article in it which covers the history of the French hillclimb championship up to 1983, as well as detailed results for that year.

As an interesting note, the book also contains a picture of Daniel Rouveyran's March 731 (listed as such), albeit not at Mont Dore. The car has a broken left-front suspension. The caption says that he lost his life due to 'a similar incident'.

[chofar]

There is a memorial for Daniel Rouveyrand in a fast left-hander not very far after the start. i don't know if it's the exact place but no one would like to have an off there. I couldn't stop on the road at this dangerous place so unfortunately no picture.

[Allen Brown]

Not a single edit on the wikipedia page so far. Is anyone willing to contribute a little more information on this championship?

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Allen

[Rob29]

I have l'annee Echappement 1991 which has top 40drivers,and top 20 Div2 if that is any use?
Also 87-88 edition which has 3 1/2 pages of detailed results.

[Allen Brown]

That would be excellent Rob.

[Marc Ceulemans]

I have l'annee Echappement 1986 with 4 pages of detailed results (p194 to 197), D1 and D2, + 12 pages of pictures and little text.

Allen I did many research about hillclimb events in the 20's and 30's, including France, which had helped Hans for his list. All is on Excel files, very difficult to share in this form.

[Allen Brown]

Hi Rob

Was that you who added the 1991 champion to the page?

Allen

[Rob29]

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Hi Rob

Was that you who added the 1991 champion to the page?

Allen

Yep

[Allen Brown]

Originally posted by Marc Ceulemans
I have l'annee Echappement 1986 with 4 pages of detailed results (p194 to 197), D1 and D2, + 12 pages of pictures and little text.

Allen I did many research about hillclimb events in the 20's and 30's, including France, which had helped Hans for his list. All is on Excel files, very difficult to share in this form.

Hi Marc

Would it be possible to copy or scan those pages of l'annee Echappement 1986 for me? I could use them to start a page on the 1986 season and see if that encourages more people to contribute.

Thanks

Allen

[ReWind]

How about having a try on a French forum?

[Allen Brown]

I did consider that but I'm trying to get an English language version of the page created and the natural thing for those guys would be to create a French language version. But that would be ok - we can grab content off each other.

I'll brush up on my franglais and ask them.

Allen

[FLB]

Allen, I'd suggest you try Endurance-info It's a sportscar website. A few members there have contacts with the FFSA.

Mémoire des stands is a blog about French racing history, hosted by Patrice Vatan. I would consider it the French equivalent of TNF, certainly as a racing history beacon. It's very much a 'story-telling' type of website rather than one that relies on raw results. First-hand participants post there sometimes (Gilles Gaignault, for instance, the 'G' in the GBDA F3000 team). The site also lists a bibliography.

The Médiathèque Louis Aragon at Le Mans is the French equivalent of the IMSRRC at Watkins Glen.