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#351 RW7

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 02:30

Ah yes - my old "black car" now finished in Orange and owned by Jim Templeton here in Brisbane.

Greetings all. Seldo has pointed me to this thread and I've just wasted 2 hours reading it. Fascinating!

 

I drove Baron Revelman's car for nearly ten years, I know it was a car that Seldo raced in and it was called "Welsor Waggot" in the logbook but now I'm confused as to whether it was #7 or #8 (see "orange with black stripe" in Dave's earlier comments).

 

After I blew my bank account with the Tiga Mazda I "retired", but the bug came back quickly and I heard about Baron's car which Bill Norton had converted to 1300 Corolla but had not raced it. Baron wanted to sell it at the time.

 

I talked to Baron about renting it as I told him he wouldn't sell it if it hadn't been racing, but when I took it out to Oran Park it had so many problems I told Baron I would only race it if I didn't pay. To my surprise he said "OK".

 

Once we got all the problems sorted out it was a fun car to drive - as Seldo says, a killer under brakes, but for some illogical reason I decided that as I didn't own it I wouldn't put new tyres on it  :drunk:. Accordingly I put up with terminal understeer - particularly at corner 1 on the OP short circuit. 

 

It was incredible off the line - really put its power down. So much so that at my first standing start the trailing arms bent and I found myself sitting on the tarmac! Harry Galloway made some new stronger rods for me and guess what - at the next meeting, same thing! We finally solved the problem with some very expensive material used for F/Pacifics. I have a video somehere of me starting on the third row of the grid at Wakefield and leading for almost all of the first lap.

 

After about a year Baron told me that he had decided that he didn't want to sell the car and would "hang it on his wall one day" - so that lead to 10 years of competition before I got bored with the small fields and decided to "retire" to the "slower pace" of FVee which was booming at the time.

 

Some retirement...! Here I was, an unfit, overweight 45 year old racing against 19 year olds with no fear, no brains and Dad's money. But that's off topic.

 

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#352 seldo

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 04:03

Greetings all. Seldo has pointed me to this thread and I've just wasted 2 hours reading it. Fascinating!
 
I drove Baron Revelman's car for nearly ten years, I know it was a car that Seldo raced in and it was called "Welsor Waggot" in the logbook but now I'm confused as to whether it was #7 or #8 (see "orange with black stripe" in Dave's earlier comments).
 
After I blew my bank account with the Tiga Mazda I "retired", but the bug came back quickly and I heard about Baron's car which Bill Norton had converted to 1300 Corolla but had not raced it. Baron wanted to sell it at the time.
 
I talked to Baron about renting it as I told him he wouldn't sell it if it hadn't been racing, but when I took it out to Oran Park it had so many problems I told Baron I would only race it if I didn't pay. To my surprise he said "OK".
 
Once we got all the problems sorted out it was a fun car to drive - as Seldo says, a killer under brakes, but for some illogical reason I decided that as I didn't own it I wouldn't put new tyres on it  :drunk:. Accordingly I put up with terminal understeer - particularly at corner 1 on the OP short circuit. 
 
It was incredible off the line - really put its power down. So much so that at my first standing start the trailing arms bent and I found myself sitting on the tarmac! Harry Galloway made some new stronger rods for me and guess what - at the next meeting, same thing! We finally solved the problem with some very expensive material used for F/Pacifics. I have a video somehere of me starting on the third row of the grid at Wakefield and leading for almost all of the first lap.
 
After about a year Baron told me that he had decided that he didn't want to sell the car and would "hang it on his wall one day" - so that lead to 10 years of competition before I got bored with the small fields and decided to "retire" to the "slower pace" of FVee which was booming at the time.
 
Some retirement...! Here I was, an unfit, overweight 45 year old racing against 19 year olds with no fear, no brains and Dad's money. But that's off topic.
 
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Hi Richard
This is the original 1293 A series "black car", Chassis #7, re-engined with a Corolla but now painted orange with black stripe, similar to Chassis #8 which had a Datsun 1200 engine and was originally painted orange and black, and I think went to WA.....
Got all that...? :)
I'm surprised about the rear trailing arm problem - I did probably a couple of hundred starts and never had a problem.... Maybe 7000 on the clock and side-step the clutch was the solution...

Edited by seldo, 05 May 2014 - 04:07.


#353 RW7

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:58

Thanks Seldo. I can't explain the trailing arm problem. It could have been the increased torque from the Corolla but that is hard to believe given it was oversquare. It certainly wasn't sticky tyres!  :lol:

 

It had a copper clutch plate, so that might have been it, but did you have that too?



#354 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 09:15

I saw a Mallock U2 run at Collingrove. Peter Bail. That tied the arms in knots too, but that was on really soft Avons. And from memory had a BDA or similar in it. Imported car.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 09:43

Thanks Seldo. I can't explain the trailing arm problem. It could have been the increased torque from the Corolla but that is hard to believe given it was oversquare. It certainly wasn't sticky tyres!  :lol:
 
It had a copper clutch plate, so that might have been it, but did you have that too?

Copper plate? You gotta be kidding. I think it was a Sprite clutch