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#101 Kingsleyrob

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 16:28

Hi Richard

Yes, you are right - it was initially bought and owned by a gentleman who worked at Longbridge - I have quite a bit of history including a notebook containg all the items he attended to on a regular basis. It's frightening the amount of fettling a car needed those days to keep it fit for daily use.

I remember my Dad fiddling with his second hand A40s most weekends in the early 60s - a Mk1 red/black, 7 KFM, and a white/grey Mark 2, 531 XFM. Both were Chester registrations, what price 7 KFM now??

Cheers

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#102 Frank S

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 20:14

My first 'BMC' :
a 1953 MG TD, here posed at Little Rock AFB in 1957.

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Another of the series that included
three 'big" Healeys and
a bug(frog)eye, as well as a
1967 MGB tourer and a
1960 Morris Minor Traveller:
1967 MGB/GT with o/d, near the early 1990s day
it sighed and stopped.

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Recent photo of the latter, awaiting its restoration:

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(I'm so ashamed )

The GT has a racing history: won its class at the Playas de Tijuana
road races, 1968; first turned a wheel in anger at Riverside's Turn
Six with fewer than 350 miles on the clock, which has documented
a quarter-million others and ignored fifty thousand or so ...

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#103 rdrcr

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 20:34

Nice license plate there Frank - I'm surprised the DMV let you get away with that one...

;)

#104 rdrcr

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 20:37

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What a very cool little car - just the thing for the Bermuda estate.

#105 Twin Window

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 20:39

Originally posted by Frank S

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(I'm so ashamed )

Not sure if you're ashamed of the 'Morris Oxford Fastback', its registration plate, or the dog...

Must be the car, as the reg plate is great and the dog looks like it would rip you to pieces!

#106 Frank S

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 21:20

Originally posted by rdrcr
Nice license plate there Frank - I'm surprised the DMV let you get away with that one...

;)

I knew someone 'on the inside'. (Actually, it surprised me, too: I submitted three choices in the box blanks, then last-minute inspiration struck and I put those letters above the boxes)

Originally posted by Twin Window
Not sure if you're ashamed of the 'Morris Oxford Fastback', its registration plate, or the dog...

Must be the car, as the reg plate is great and the dog looks like it would rip you to pieces!

Yes, yes, and I doubt it.

I'm sorry the car has sat more than ten years, neglected. The dog is overweight at 18 pounds, a Mexican Hairless (Xoloitzquintle) with the bark of a 40-pounder and the courage of a chihuahua. A traffic-stopper, for certain.

I have a litany of stories about the plate; the most apropos is the time it was on a Vega coupe at Riverside. After a practice session an RX7 driver came to my garage space just to say: "You know, I've seen that plate around, a lot, but when I caught up to you at the entrance to Six was the first time I understood it, and I nearly fell off the track!"

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 14:43

Here is a pic of my "morris oxford coupe" entered in a US style Road Rally.

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(name the lost racetrack it is sitting on)
Its a '71 with a backdated grille, so I guess I will have to duck some veggies :eek:

and here is a picture of my barn find spridget race car. a true mongrel with remnants of both
Sprite and Midget trim bits.

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Its still sitting on jack stands in the garage, waiting for me to stop wasting time with
racing 1st gen rx7s. It shares garage space with my wifes GAN 1L 1xx car also awaiting
restoration.

#108 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 20:17

Sorry to go of thread! To Catalina Park : Rover-BRM at LM thread 24#-03 post 14 you talk about a pic of the transporter in 1965 for the Rover BRM. Any chance for me to have a copy?
Regards , Bjørn KjerTo Catalina

#109 Twin Window

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 21:33

I'm posting this pic of the motif on the bonnet of my Isis mainly because I took it this afternoon on my new... phone!

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Plus it's been cropped quite severely, prior to this low-res copy being made - but with no other *fiddling* done to it at all.

Quite astonishing what's possible these days...






Best get the toothbrush out and clean it properly, methinks... :blush:

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 22:47

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Twin Window
I'm posting this pic of the motif on the bonnet of my Isis mainly because I took it this afternoon on my new... [b]phone!



Good pic of you too, Twinny!

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 23:13

Originally posted by Twin Window
I took it this afternoon on my new... phone!

Poser! :p

#112 RTH

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 13:43

Blimey what sort of phone is that ?

#113 Twin Window

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 14:00

It's a Nokia N73, which I chose for its photo cabability as my regular camera has broken and I was switching mobile SP anyhow.

Carl Zeiss optics, 3.2 megapixels, autofocus, zoom, macro and a mechanical shutter! A piece of kit, I can tell you! Actually it has two cameras in it; the other is a low-res one mainly for video calling and emailing vids! It's also got 3G, internet, GPRS, Bluetooth, infra-red, MSN Messenger, a radio and a shedload more besides... :eek:

#114 ian senior

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 14:00

Originally posted by RTH
Blimey what sort of phone is that ?


Leica.

#115 RTH

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 14:10

Originally posted by Twin Window
It's a Nokia N73, which I chose for its photo cabability as my regular camera has broken and I was switching mobile SP anyhow.

Carl Zeiss optics, 3.2 megapixels, autofocus, zoom, macro and a mechanical shutter! A piece of kit, I can tell you! Actually it has two cameras in it; the other is a low-res one mainly for video calling and emailing vids! It's also got 3G, internet, GPRS, Bluetooth, infra-red, MSN Messenger, a radio and a shedload more besides... :eek:


What is it like at making bacon sandwiches ? :)

#116 David Lawson

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 15:20

But can you make 'phone calls with it?

David

#117 David Beard

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 15:41

Originally posted by Twin Window
It's a Nokia N73, which I chose for its photo cabability as my regular camera has broken and I was switching mobile SP anyhow.

Carl Zeiss optics, 3.2 megapixels, autofocus, zoom, macro and a mechanical shutter! A piece of kit, I can tell you! Actually it has two cameras in it; the other is a low-res one mainly for video calling and emailing vids! It's also got 3G, internet, GPRS, Bluetooth, infra-red, MSN Messenger, a radio and a shedload more besides... :eek:


Twinny, I demand your resignation from TNF.;)
(I'm not sure TNFers should have mobile phones at all.)

#118 Twin Window

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 16:33

For those who are interested in such things (while gently steering the thread back on-topic!), here are a couple more examples.

This is a low-res version of the pic I took of the C series taken out of the scrapped Belgian 6/90;

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And this is a cropped-in area of the same pic at 100% resolution;

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Ditto with my Isis...

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I've not applied any filters to any of the images, and the two main pics were taken on the default settings.

If it ever stops raining, I might experiment with the, ahem... patina which completely covers my 6/90... :rolleyes:

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 17:44

Nice bit of kit twinny - camera/phone and the Isis. The resolution is first class. :eek: :eek:

Cool reg as well, the BJO ia a bit more subtle than Frank's....or maybe it's my deviant mind ;)

Just going to try to make a phone call on my camera :drunk: :drunk:

Cheers

Rob

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#120 RTH

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 17:49

Originally posted by Kingsleyrob
Nice bit of kit twinny - camera/phone and the Isis. The resolution is first class. :eek: :eek:

Cool reg as well, the BJO ia a bit more subtle than Frank's....or maybe it's my deviant mind ;)

Just going to try to make a phone call on my camera :drunk: :drunk:

Cheers

Rob


I think that is an Oxfordshire reg no. isn't it ? I seem to remember BMC works rally cars from Abingdon with JO numbers

#121 David Beard

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 19:20

Originally posted by RTH


I think that is an Oxfordshire reg no. isn't it ? I seem to remember BMC works rally cars from Abingdon with JO numbers


And my dad's Ford Consul, RJO 818...

http://www.dabgp.pwp.../chilton 4.html

Apologies for bringing a Ford into this thread!




#122 David Lawson

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 07:32

My first BMC was this 1961 mini which I bought in about 1970, here it is after I'd finished meddling with it by adding a fibreglass front, "Britax" repaint, Mountney steering wheel, 4.5 steel Js and high backed seats - also note the Gold Leaf and Embassy stickers!

This 1973 picture marks the car's sale to the friend leaning on the roof, my Cortina can be seen parked behind the Skoda.

The shop on the left hand corner was the Lotus specialist, Performance Unlimited.

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 07:43

Out of the cars I can see in that picture, I'd be willing to bet the only one still on the road is the black Riley in the background :p

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 07:47

Incredible. That picture is SO 1970s I can't believe it. Love it.

#125 RTH

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 10:16

Performance Unlimited would that be Ilford then David ?

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 10:39

Newly-acquired rust! :D

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Due to be collected early next week. A 1955 model and the vendor of several parts, with any luck...

The Riley RM in David's pic is a model both H and I would love to own one day. Somewhere I have a similar (albeit b&w) pic of my pal standing next to his Cooper - must see if I can locate it.

#127 David Lawson

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 15:35

The Performance Unlimited shop was in Westborough Road, Westcliff on Sea. The chap started his business there but I think he did move some time later.

David

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 17:50

The 6/90 is doing a reasonable impression of an indoor swimming pool on at present... :|

Still, the dash is dry!

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 09:21

Not BMC, but Land Rover, Solihull.

I'm sure Stuart Twin W will accept a 4 wheel drive interloper...

The efforts of a late summer restoration. Very happy with it.

TWJM

Before and after...

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 09:23

You need to stick a 'before' pic up here too, Jack!

EDIT: Ah, so now you have. Carry on. Back to the logs, old chap...!

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 13:58

I think I’ve said it before, but the ’66 Austin 1100 has to be the most fun-to-drive car I’ve ever driven, let alone owned. I gave the car to a good home around 3 or 4 years ago and had it in regular use between ’92 and ’95. I can’t believe I never took a picture of it. It had a great smell.

Best of all, the 1100 was free! I bought it as a runabout when my modern car had been driven into by a psychotic white van driver. Stupidly, I was insured 3rd party at the time and white-van scum’s insurance refused to pay out (coppers had just nicked him for parking on a zig-zag and were about 20 yards up the road when he drove into me…).

My lawyer said that we could put in a claim for £800 for the Austin (35K miles, one owner from new), but he was pessimistic that the judge would give it to us (my reasoning was that I couldn’t afford to fix the modern junk, so Austin was needed for runabout).

Upon going to court after 2+ years of proceedings, the other party’s insurance didn’t even send a representative and the judge was highly liberal in awarding damages - free Austin!

The Austin would bounce around like a kangaroo on its hydrolastic spheres – in strong side winds it could be a real handful! The massive original bakelite steering wheel… Foot-operated headlights… The car was fantastic for handbrake turns – no worries if you missed your turning! The car was kept on crossplies of course.

This thread has revived my interest in BMC cars…. You are a bad influence Mr Dent! Just when I thought I’d become sensible…

BTW, is the Gerald Palmer biography worth a read? Anyone bought a copy? A highly underappreciated designer indeed…


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Posted 07 October 2006 - 18:37

Originally posted by flat-16

This thread has revived my interest in BMC cars…. You are a bad influence Mr Dent! Just when I thought I’d become sensible…

Now you really don't want to do that now do you, Justin...?

A wee bit of BMC joy for me; my dear brother has finished off the revival of my Isis's electrics. Having skillfully grafted-in the harness from the Belgian 6/90 last Saturday, he completed the plumbing-in today. While the hard graft was being undertaken I fulfilled my natural role of YTS 'know-noth' - although at one point was deemed skilled enough to pass a spanner - and busied myself by *restoring* the switch for the courtesy light.

It was great to drive her for the first time in three months a short while ago! :D

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 20:29

Hi, Thought you might like to see my BMC Babies....

Our 1965 Morris Mini 850 (restored by myself and my wife) has been up and running with us since 1994 and has been on duty to many many classic car events including sorties to the Lake District, many visits to Belgium & France and numerous events in the South East of England.

She has been seen "on track" at, Lydden Hill, Brands Hatch, Oulton Park, Silverstone, Castle Combe, Thruxton and Snetterton - though not racing - as part of historic parades.

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Mini on duty near Abbeville, France

Our 1959 MK1 Austin Healey "Frogeye" Sprite is currently a restored shell.

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Probably a familiar story to many, house move and additions to the family have led to both being neglected over the last 18 months 2 yrs, however, I have committed to pals to drive the Froggie to the Goodwood Revival next year, so need to be getting my skates on, and the Min needs only re-commissioning.

Just a thought, and not exclusive to the "TNF BMC" members, would there be any interest in a TNF Vintage and Classics tour, next year????

Given my location it would probably be (UK)Midlands ..ish.. based, but also given connections which appear to be in place through many TNF Members could be quite something, with a bit of fore thought and planning.

I have an excellent track record of delivering successful events with the South Eastern Vinatge and Classic Vehicle Club and would love to get back "in the seat" to plan another event...All non profit or charitable projects, nothing in it for me.

Cheers Guys,

Let me know if there is any interest in the tour.

Regards

David

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 08:46

That is a good idea how about sketching out a route. Given the interests here, how about a tour of museums in an area ?

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 10:57

This is a great thread!

Like David Frogeye 59 I committed to driving my A40 to the Goodwood Revival but have bottled out for for two consecutive years. It's a long way from Cheshire. I'm sure his conviction will be more solid than mine...

A tour sounds a good idea, David.

Seeing Gerald Palmer's name mentioned has stimulated me to post a couple of pics of a car I'd love to own - an MG Magnette ZB Varitone. This is one I went to see last year that was advertised on eBay. I hope I'm not breaking any protocol by posting, but I guess it's just like posting a pic of a car that you saw at a show?

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Any lucky TNFers got one?

Rob :wave:

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 06:20

No, but I created quite a stir in my office when one went by a window as I was chatting with another fan of English cars: "Look at that! One of the most beautiful rear ends of all time!"

A stir followed by a wave of disillusion and a flight of raised eyebrows ...

I really, really like the ZBs, particularly the Varitones with their individually hand-cut and -fitted rear glass.

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 06:20

Love the mounting of the driving lights on that ZB. And the badge bar's very neatly configured too.

I learnt something delightfully 'BMC quaint' about the Varitones a while ago. They didn't produce a modified die for the body press for the big window cars. They simply made a template and cut a bigger hole in the small window bodies on the line! What price water leaks?

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 08:16

Originally posted by flat-16




BTW, is the Gerald Palmer biography worth a read? Anyone bought a copy? A highly underappreciated designer indeed…


Justin


Most definitely. I can't recommend it highly enough. Gerald had a very fertile brain and came up with all kinds of schemes, many of which never saw the light of day, unfortunately. His idea for a new MG sportscar was to use two different bodies - one traditional, one modern, on the same chassis to suit all kinds of tastes. He proposed an cheap and easy to build V4 engine that would probably have been better suited to the transverse engined cars than the old A series. There would have been a twin-cam C Series engine for the Riley Pathfinder, and if only they'd let him, the Z Series Magnette and Wolseley equivalent would have had proper rear suspension and not cart springs. His own Deroy sports car from the pre-war days was absoultely beautiful, as well as being well engineered. And there was the work that he did during the war to produce a vital piece of field hospital apparatus that saved many lives.

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 11:33

Originally posted by Frank S

I really, really like the ZBs, particularly the Varitones with their individually hand-cut and -fitted rear glass.

Originally posted by Vanwall

I learnt something delightfully 'BMC quaint' about the Varitones a while ago. They didn't produce a modified die for the body press for the big window cars. They simply made a template and cut a bigger hole in the small window bodies on the line! What price water leaks?

Both remarks posted on the same minute - amazing! :eek:

So, who's going to be at Gaydon for the Issigonis Rally on Sunday? Howard and I will be there with our Isisisisisisisisisisisis... :up: :D

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#140 Gary Davies

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 11:52

Well let's hope there's not an Isiscrisis on the way. :blush:

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 15:45

Originally posted by Kingsleyrob
Gotcha Twinny!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

They were the 'Befores' back in December 2004. I had him (known as Gof for obvious reasons) taken away for a facelift and more back in December 2004. He came back in April 2005 looking like this:

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I have been following this thread with interest, as I am a former motor mechanic who served his apprenticeship at a BMC garage in the 60s. I confess to having posted in the"Longbridge" thread with my experiences concerning the build quality problems endemic at the time: however this does not preclude me from retaining some affection for a few of the BMC products to emerge from Abingdon,Longbridge & Oxford.

Rob's A40 is a stunner, & I think Farina's 2 box shape is so attractive. The factory used to prepare & rally tuned A40s & the Doc Sheppard A40 was a very successful circuit racer. Given BMC's penchant for "badge engineering" I used to think that there was scope for an MG or Healey version of the A40 - a Sprite spec engine, disc brakes & a revamped fascia with rev. counter - this would have made a nice & practical alternative to a Mini Cooper.

Reading through the Veloce book "BMC Competition Department Secrets" Stuart Turner informs us that the MG General Manager John Thornley also had ideas about a quicker A40. His proposal, which was not taken up, was for an MGB engine to be tried in the A40 & under competition regulations at the time a 1000 units would have to have been produced.

Hind-sight is 20/20 vision but what missed opportunity. BMC could have produced the definitive "hot hatch" a whole decade before the VW Golf GTi.

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 16:48

Wow, thanks Roger :blush: :blush:

Yes, there's something about the Farina design that I love - especially the Mark 2 with the longer wheelbase. :love: :love:

If the idea of the first A40 'hot hatch' had been hatched and put into production, I wonder what the target buyer would have looked like in those days? :smoking: :smoking: Many A40 buyers I guess were like my Dad - it was affordable motoring for the ordinary family man.

And yes, given that the later 1100 and 1300 were given MG treatment it would have been logical I suppose.

However I think history has been kind to the A40 in its various guises - it's seen as a solid alternative to the Minor, and was also I believe a bit of a 'repmobile' in its day too I believe. And the Countryman is remembered as being a bit groundbreaking.

GOF puts a smile on my face every day when I see him - a link to simpler times. And unlike my Dad's secondhand ones he starts first time!

If we'd have told somebody in the sixties that instant worldwide communication amongst petrolheads would be a reality they'd have looked at you a bit funny! Especially if the topic was going to be BMC cars! :lol: :lol:

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 19:06

Collected the latest [1955] rust from Kent today, and although my first thoughts were along the lines of "holy crap...", once I'd composed myself I soon realised that our modest investment would indeed yeild some worthwhile bits & bobs - like the rear wings and doors (offside is better) for spares...

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Does anyone recognise it's former stablemate lurking in the background?! :eek:

Howard got to see it a short time ago time ago and was excited about seeing this; a factory-fitted HMV radio and speaker! Hen's teeth and the like...

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The hard-to-find (let me know if you have a spare, BTW) gear lever knob isn't too bad, although not as good as it looks on the pic, and there's a strip of chrome trim accross the dash - directly behind the knob - which H needs for his Isis. Yes, it's that brown line... :rolleyes:

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Almost no paperwork, except for the original log book in this nice period wallet, which wasn't with the car from new. A plate on the engine suggests that the car was sold new from a London dealership.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 21:28

Oh looks like a Delorean to me ?

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 21:48

Correct!

I took a couple of pics of it, but [I can only hope it was] my lack of intimacy with my new phone/camera resulted in me losing all-but-one of them - and even then, the flash didn't go off... :mad:

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The chassis plate - the corner of which is just visible at the bottom of the pic - stated it was of 'August 1981' vintage. Quite a surprise to see that nestling abreast of our rust, I must say!

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 22:07

Originally posted by Twin Window
....our modest investment would indeed yeild some worthwhile bits & bobs -

The hard-to-find (let me know if you have a spare, BTW) gear lever knob isn't too bad, although not as good as it looks on the pic, and there's a strip of chrome trim accross the dash - directly behind the knob - whch H needs for his Isis. Yes, it's that brown line... :rolleyes:

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Has anyone noticed that ANY old car you buy always come with old spark plugs? I see a prime specimen rolling around on the parcel tray here ....
There is a mysterious law (perhaps "Champion's Law", or, for the more traditional thinker, Lodge's Law?) that says there are NEVER enough to populate the full count of cylinders, and they are rarely the correct size ... nor the right grade, of course!
I also have had great luck in acquiring useless tools .... rusting hunks of metal which were once spanners of unknown size, seized pliers (a favourite!), mutilated screwdrivers, .... the list goes on! A prized addition to the rusting tool set is the soggy, mouldy lump of organic material that may once have been a tool roll ... mmm, 50 year old canvas smells so good! :eek:

Any other great "boot finds" out there?

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 22:12

Originally posted by Stoatspeed

Any other great "boot finds" out there?

But only the BMC ones on this thread, naturally...  ;)

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 08:30

Originally posted by roger ellis



Rob's A40 is a stunner, & I think Farina's 2 box shape is so attractive. The factory used to prepare & rally tuned A40s & the Doc Sheppard A40 was a very successful circuit racer. Given BMC's penchant for "badge engineering" I used to think that there was scope for an MG or Healey version of the A40 - a Sprite spec engine, disc brakes & a revamped fascia with rev. counter - this would have made a nice & practical alternative to a Mini Cooper.


Not sure if that would have been enough to make a decent driver's car. When Healey wre developing the Sprite, they realised that the Austin steering gear wasn't up to much and went for rack and pinion instead. Surely they would have had to do the same with a sporty A40? Now if the A40 had only been based on the Minor insted of the A35....

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 21:32

It was MoT day today for my Isis, so I gave her some attention and polished her up (adopting the same philosophy which prompts one to wear clean undercrackers when visiting the GP :D )

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Can you hear the six-potter purring away? :D

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The pics flatter her as she's not a minter; 'pretty tidy' would be more accurate - as anyone attending the Issigonis *do* at Gaydon on Sunday will see for themselves.

So... who'll be there? Anyone else from here...? :

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 10:53

Looks pretty perfect from here ! The body, paint and chrome looks way better than when it left the factory.

Sorry after all I can't get there. Hope you have a good day , give us a full report next week !

Here is a taster , just one of the Morris's you will see at Gaydon tomorrow !

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