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#1 h4887

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 18:18

No prizes, but who can identify this machine, seen recently at a speed event in Essex?

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 19:00

Looks like a modified 1955/56 T39 Cooper-Climax

#3 h4887

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 06:44

Originally posted by David McKinney
Looks like a modified 1955/56 T39 Cooper-Climax


Not even warm!

#4 bill patterson

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 07:10

Ginetta??

#5 Ted Walker

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 07:22

Merlyn perhaps ???????

#6 David Birchall

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 08:09

Four bolt front wheels, five bolt rear--it's obviously not French :rolleyes:

#7 LotusElise

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 08:34

I've seen one very like it before.

Is it a Diva?

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 09:16

Originally posted by David Birchall
Four bolt front wheels, five bolt rear--it's obviously not French :rolleyes:


I wonder how many "get" that remark?

#9 ensign14

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 09:17

Well, if it were French, it would be allowed.

#10 h4887

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 09:27

Originally posted by bill patterson
Ginetta??

No, although Ginettas G4, G12, G17, G18 and G21 were parked just behind me

#11 h4887

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 09:29

'No' also to Diva and Merlyn, although 'not French' is correct, if that helps :lol:

#12 RS2000

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 09:35

Martyn Ellis' Sunbeam Lotus in second picture. No idea what funny open car in foreground is...

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 10:00

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps
I wonder how many "get" that remark?

It's a story that's part of our motorsports folklore here in the UK, but whether it's well-enough known be recognized outside its "contextual background", I don't know!

I think I might have actually seen "N.65" somewhere, but I'm damn if I can recall what it is - if I ever actually knew...
It's quite pretty, isn't it? Is a modern (re)creation?

#14 ian senior

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 10:05

It's a repro of summat or other, or at least it's not as old as it looks - it's got a 1973 "L" registration, see....

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 10:47

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


I wonder how many "get" that remark?


I would've thought most Chapman fans would understand it.... along with tales about the width of his armchairs. Chapman vs the ACO is a duel that I wish had contiued through the 60s and 70s!


#16 Huw Jadvantich

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 11:23

A Beattie sports?

#17 roger ellis

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 11:23

I think those 5 bolt rear wheels could be attatched to VW Beetle based hubs.

Getting warmer ?

#18 h4887

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 14:53

Originally posted by roger ellis
I think those 5 bolt rear wheels could be attatched to VW Beetle based hubs.

Getting warmer ?

They may be Beetle hubs but I don't think it will helpyou...

#19 Stephen W

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 15:18

Is it by any chance the Birkin kit car that is based on the Brooke ME190?

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#20 h4887

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 19:15

Originally posted by Stephen W
Is it by any chance the Birkin kit car that is based on the Brooke ME190?

:wave:

No! I did think of putting 'SW need not apply' but it seems I needn't bother! :p
I don't think it will help at all if I tell you it has an Alfa engine and a Hewland box.
Next please...

#21 Huw Jadvantich

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 13:17

The back looks Brabham-ish but the front doesn't...Nathan?

#22 Stephen W

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 17:25

Originally posted by h4887

No! I did think of putting 'SW need not apply' but it seems I needn't bother! :p
I don't think it will help at all if I tell you it has an Alfa engine and a Hewland box.
Next please...


That's all well and good but which Alfa engine?

#23 h4887

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 19:15

Originally posted by Stephen W


That's all well and good but which Alfa engine?


1962cc GTV

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 19:37

Originally posted by David Birchall
Four bolt front wheels, five bolt rear--it's obviously not French :rolleyes:


Lotus 23 at LeMans scrutineeing 1962, right?

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 09:52

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


I wonder how many "get" that remark?


Hehe, anybody who remembers Team Lotus at La Sarthe...

#26 RS2000

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 19:03

Hylander MkVI.
I cheated. I asked someone who was competing there and has event results.

Did Team Lotus ever go back to Le Mans?

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 19:22

Originally posted by RS2000
Hylander MkVI.
I cheated. I asked someone who was competing there and has event results.


Geoff wins though, because none of us knew what it was.

To satisfy my curiosity I carried out a reg.no. check a couple of days ago, but did not post the answer.

So,what the **** is a Hylander ?

#28 h4887

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 19:23

Originally posted by RS2000
Hylander MkVI.
I cheated. I asked someone who was competing there and has event results.

Really! How jolly unsporting! :evil:
I did wonder if that might happen after you mentioned Martyn Ellis's Sunbeam...
The Hylander is the creation of Richard Hopgood from Suffolk. You spotted the Ipswich registration, no doubt? It must have had one of the longest gestation periods of any car, as he started work on it in 1965 and evidently had some second thoughts about it over the years, as it's described as Mk VI, although it's the only one. He's only recently taken to the track in it and is about to put a twin spark in it. Will that make it a Mk VII?

#29 RS2000

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 19:47

Well.....I did wait a long time until it looked like no one knew!
(and if it had been North Weald rather than Debden I'd probably still be checking which event)