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#51 Twin Window

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 21:01

This...

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...should look more like this, IMO...

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#52 David Lawson

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 21:21

Originally posted by Andre Acker
Can you show us this Michael Turner painting about the 1971 Monaco GP ?

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My scanner isn't working at the moment but I would be a little reluctant to scan one of Michael Turner's prints for use on the internet because of copyright.

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#53 Barry Boor

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 21:32

Much though I admire and revere Twinny's work, I have to agree with David that I think Twinny is 'blueing' them up too much. :)

#54 rdrcr

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 21:49

FWIW,

I think you guys should adjust your monitors and/or your sense of hue. All of those original shots TW has tweaked, have too much red in them. A common occurrence with aging of film. His efforts look pretty damn good to my eye. :up:

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Lole, You can't rely on true color representation from ink in an illustration, different dyes, and time can alter the color. Photos are the best way and even those are questionable because of many of the same reasons.

#55 Twin Window

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 21:50

Really, I'm not deliberately 'blueing' them up at all - why on earth would I?! I tend to look at the tyres, flesh tones, 'white is white' and suchlike for reference on any pic I'm fiddling with.

It could always be me who has the dodgy monitor...

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#56 mfd

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 21:57

Remember what I said earlier Stuart ? This will run and run !

#57 Barry Boor

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 21:59

The alteration to my photo, reproduced above by rdrcr is excellent. It's just that I feel the colour of the car (both the blue/green and the yellow) is closer in my original than in Twinny's changed version. Well, that's how I remember it, anyway. I'm sure the yellow was nowhere near that 'lemony'.

I must agree with Twinny that everything else looks better in his version.

#58 Twin Window

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 22:01

Originally posted by mfd

Remember what I said earlier Stuart ? This will run and run !

Don't worry, Mike - I won't be getting any more out-of-breath here!

As a matter of interest, how do the colours look to you - ie to your artist's eye, and on your monitor?

#59 Barry Boor

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 22:08

A passing thought...

Duncan Dayton races a BT.33. Its colour looks pretty authentic to me. I wonder if it has ever been resprayed?

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#60 rdrcr

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 22:14

I'll you what's really funny... Those photos are untouched (by me)!

I merely took the links and placed them side by side for comparison. Check the "properties" on each photo to see for yourselves.

Here is Bob Baker's car - its wings look very close to TW's retouched image.

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Though I've just seen photos with the colors behaving differently in the same shot!

#61 mfd

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 22:19

As a matter of interest, how do the colours look to you - ie to your artist's eye, and on your monitor?


Well...as you ask

The top BT33 shows a familiar old colour cast...tarmac too red & yellow too orangy, which would fit in with an overall brown feel. Look at the guy's clothing in the background and the tyre colour of the wets...

I don't see the lower one as too blue, it just looks cleaner, but it must be the mechanics who are still polishing the car :D

Tbh you've got far more years of looking at old pics than me though

#62 2F-001

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 22:27

The only real solution to this problem is to pick older subjects and build the models in black and white.

#63 mfd

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 22:30

and build the models in black and white.



Mmmmm. What shade of black were the JPS Loti ? Anyone have a colour code ? :smoking:

#64 macoran

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 12:07

Found this BT33 with the man himself
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If Twinny would do the "fiddling" honours

#65 mfd

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 12:22

Found this BT33



That's the Esso ad from the front of the 1970 ....

#66 macoran

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 12:28

I wouldn't know, found it while googling for something else on a site with lots of nostalgic piccies,
do you mean I must remove it from my post ?

#67 mfd

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 10:15

One to ask Stuart I think ...should be OK imho

#68 Twin Window

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 17:32

No problem if it was from an ad; I'm sure Esso will be delighted!

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 02:42

Hello,

I have modified my model bt33 1/24 by Heller.
Remember, I am trying to reproduce the bt33 drove by Carlos Reutemann in the Victory Race (Brand Hatch, October 1971).
I modified the nose and the color, but I still have doubt with the color...

What do yo thhink about ? for you, the color is right ?

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#70 David McKinney

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 05:11

On my monitor at least, the colour is way wrong. That's blue, not turquoise

#71 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:13

I agree with David , much to blue for me!

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 12:35

Thanks guys for your answer !

by the way, which color are these:

1) BT33 1971 (Schenken) (this is the car I am building)

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3) and this one, signed by Jack Brabham ?

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the principal question is: all the color are turquoise ??

What do you think ?

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#73 Barry Boor

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 15:49

Pablo, sometimes we modellers have to accept that colours in photographs lie to us.

If you look through this thread from the start, you will see maybe 10 different pictures of the same car, and all will seem to be different colours.

From memory, having seen the car racing in 1970 and 1971, I would say you need to add just a little green to your blue, but not too much because the colour was on the blue side of turquoise.

But, REMEMBER, this comment comes from a man who insists that a certain Cooper in 1962 was black when the rest of the human race is sure it was green!

Good luck!

#74 macoran

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 19:03

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You’ll have to experiment mixing colours till you’re satisfied lole

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 00:33

Thank you to all !! thanks a lot for your help...
After watching lot of pictures...the questions/answers are:

a) why some BT33s appear green/yellow; turqueise/yellow and blue/yellow ? because, the BT33 had those colors !

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b) why some BT34s appear turqueise/yellow and green/yellow ? because, the BT34 had those colors !


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c) 1971 Brand Hatch (check the color of the BT33)

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So...for me is possible that the monitor change the color, but now I understand why sometimes the BT33 appeared turqueise and sometimes green or blue...

thanks
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#76 David McKinney

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 15:31

What you have there Pablo is absolute, incontovertible proof that the person making the poster (or whatever it is) thought the cars appeared in different colours

#77 Andre Acker

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 15:41

Originally posted by David Lawson


My scanner isn't working at the moment but I would be a little reluctant to scan one of Michael Turner's prints for use on the internet because of copyright.

David




Hi David,

I see your point, in the times we are living it is better to avoid problems !

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#78 Andre Acker

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 15:45

Originally posted by lole66
Thank you to all !! thanks a lot for your help...
After watching lot of pictures...the questions/answers are:

a) why some BT33s appear green/yellow; turqueise/yellow and blue/yellow ? because, the BT33 had those colors !

b) why some BT34s appear turqueise/yellow and green/yellow ? because, the BT34 had those colors !

c) 1971 Brand Hatch (check the color of the BT33)

So...for me is possible that the monitor change the color, but now I understand why sometimes the BT33 appeared turqueise and sometimes green or blue...

thanks
Pablo.


Hi,
I suggest you to have a look at the 1970 and 1971 seasons DVDs (Brunswick).

VBR.
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#79 T54

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 20:48

Here we go again... :eek:

DON'T touch this thread! :lol:

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:33

Hello Tony,

Basically I want to know the color of the Brabham BT33 #14 (scale 1/24), drove by Carlos Reutemann in the Victory Race at Brands Hatch on the 24th October 1971.

Below, the car drove by Reutemann (#14)

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thank you !
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It's a little(lot) late but I hope you painted your BT33 the right color, like the one drove by Sir Jack in Montecarlo'70. The photo is from Schlegelmilch site.
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#81 SJ Lambert

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 10:39

Apologies if it's already been "said in this thread", but whatever the blue looks like in photos, it was described as the original blue livery of MRD when "revealed" in rich black and white on the pages of Motoring News on 15 January 1970!



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Posted 12 September 2015 - 21:20

This is my educated guess of the colour. It's BT34 of 1971, actually, but I think they used same colour.

 

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RGB values 50-200-180, HTML value 32c8b4. I hope I'm at least close to a true colour, which I never saw in person. :blush:

 



#83 MCS

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 15:02

That isn't the right colour - sorry.  Others, more knowing than me, will doubtless advise.

 

Good luck!