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#1 VDP

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 19:51

Hello looking for differents types or designation of the cars entered in years circa 1924 1928, and what were the common engines and size.
Is there anywhere a book about those earlier cars


Robert

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#2 flatout911

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 19:57

Originally posted by VDP
Hello looking for differents types or designation of the cars entered in years circa 1924 1928, and what were the common engines and size.
Is there anywhere a book about those earlier cars


Robert


Hello Robert !

There are many books in which those cars were described but a very good source is " The Encyclopedia of Motor Sport" by GN Georgano !

#3 David Birchall

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 20:02

"French Vintage Cars" by John Bolster has engine details. William Boddy's "Continental Sports Cars" is not as detailed but good.

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Posted 12 October 2006 - 22:43

Is it easy to find (and buy) those books ?

I just have a little book about SALMSON by Pierre Fouquet-Hayevilain (Editions EPA), 1986, n°43 in the collection "L'Histoire des grandes marques automobile".

#5 David Birchall

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 04:50

Originally posted by Marc Ceulemans
Is it easy to find (and buy) those books ?

I just have a little book about SALMSON by Pierre Fouquet-Hayevilain (Editions EPA), 1986, n°43 in the collection "L'Histoire des grandes marques automobile".


You would have to go to a specialist in old motoring books or try abebooks.com

#6 Vitesse2

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 08:38

There's also Chris Draper's "Salmson Story" published by David & Charles in 1974. Now very hard to find.

On Amilcar - apart from the enormous tome by Gilles Fournier - all I can think of is one of the Profile Series pamphlets - number 62 - but it only covers the 4-cylinder cars, not the sixes.

#7 robert dick

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 08:55

The Amilcars are described in Gilles Fournier's Amilcar book, including race reports and data sheets.
http://www.daltonwat...om/amilcar.html

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 21:34

Originally posted by robert dick
The Amilcars are described in Gilles Fournier's Amilcar book, including race reports and data sheets.
http://www.daltonwat...om/amilcar.html

thats a good news that the book is to be reprint (even in english) cause the prices ask for the first edition are obscene

#9 alessandro silva

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 17:57

The most extensive Salmson source is

Claude CHEVALIER, Salmson, Histoire d’un nom, ETAI, Paris 1997

#10 VDP

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 18:40

Thaks everybody for thre answers, just now I ve to break my bank account :

Robert

#11 robert dick

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 12:54

Some Amilcar data :
1922 :
bore/stroke = 58/95 mm, 1004 cc, crankshaft in two plain bearings (diameter 35 mm), tubular connecting rods, L-head, 32 hp at 4000 rpm
3-speed gearbox, wheelbase 231 cm, track 110 cm, tires 700 x 80, quarter elliptic springs front and rear, no differential, dry weight 350 kg

1923 :
the "tandem" (mechanic behind the driver = reduced frontal area) appeared in June 1923 - two tandems were built, for Morel and Mestivier
60/95 mm, 1075 cc, crank in two ball bearings, pressure lubrication, L-head made of aluminum, water pump (instead of thermosyphon previously), 47 hp at 5000 rpm
wheelbase 242,5 cm, track 109 cm, tires 700 x 90, semi-elliptics front, quarter elliptics rear

1924/25 :
tandem body replaced by "faux tandem" (seats slightly décallé) - engine and frame unchanged

1925 :
CO six prototype appeared in the spring of 1925
55/77 mm, crank in seven main bearings (2 x ball, 5 x two-piece roller), big ends in rollers, dry sump, integral DOHC-head, spur gears, camshafts in 4 bearings (2 x ball, 2 x roller), 33.5-mm valves (4 springs), Roots blower (0.9 bar), Solex carburetor (on the atmospheric side), compression 5.1/1, 90 hp at 6500 rpm
monodisc clutch, 4-speed, wheelbase 223.5 cm (and 216 cm), track 109 cm, tires 700 x 90, half elliptics front, quarter elliptics rear

1927 :
CO décallé and MCO monoplace - engine offset - wheelbase 219.5 cm
56/74 mm, detachable head, 35-mm valves, 105 hp at 6500 rpm
(1.27-liter engine in the dimensions of 57/83 mm)
fuel = 60 % ethanol, 20 % acetone, 10 % benzol, 10 % water, drops of castor oil
or 26 % ethanol, 55 % benzol, 17% hydrocarbons, 2 % ether, drops of castor oil

The C6 was a production version of the factory COs, with plain bearing crank.

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Salmson factory racer 1927 (from the contemporary French magazine Omnia) :
62.2/90 mm, cast iron block, two-piece crank in two double ball bearings (ends) and one normal ball bearing (center), big ends in rollers, detachable DOHC-head in cast iron, vertical shaft, camshafts in three ball bearings, magnesium pistons, tubular connecting rods, vane-type blower and carburetor from Cozette, 80 hp at 5000 rpm
wheelbase 252 cm, half elliptics front, quarter elliptics rear, 420 kg.

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 20:25

Robert

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