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[Phil Rainford]

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However, scanning and posting pics is far more interesting than what I actually did do. As an aside, I have just calculated that I have, roughly, 50,000 colour and B&W negs and 5,000 transparencies (many of which have never seen the light of day and one or two of which are actually in focus) and, at random, I am currently selecting a few from 1982 to bore you with.

I have seen a selection of the " Cox Collection " and can assure the Forum that Alan's retirement will be good news for us over the coming months

PAR

[alansart]

Not a brilliant shot from an 80's Brands Festival meeting.

Car 19 is Damon Hill. Is the car a Swallow?

Edited by alansart, 16 October 2009 - 14:40.

[Cirrus]

Looks like an Argo JM14

[alansart]

Looks like an Argo JM14

I think you may well be right.

Next question. Did Hill do the end of season Grandstand Championship, before, during or after his FF1600 years of 84 & 85?

[Phil Rainford]

I think you may well be right.

Next question. Did Hill do the end of season Grandstand Championship, before, during or after his FF1600 years of 84 & 85?

Andy Kitson's print of Damon Hill's cars will reveal all

PAR

Edited by Phil Rainford, 16 October 2009 - 15:50.

[alansart]

Andy Kitson's print of Damon Hill's cars will reveal all

PAR

So my photo is 1984 then

[Alan Cox]

Mallory Park 1976


Needell - Taylor - Friswell

Rad Dougall's rather elegant Hawke

A driver who probably merits more mentions on TNF, Ian Taylor - Dulon

[hansfohr]

Mallory Park 1976


A driver who probably merits more mentions on TNF, Ian Taylor - Dulon

Interesting to note that Ken Hensley Racing was founded by Uriah Heep guitarist Ken Hensley. The underrated Ian Taylor beat Tiff to the 1976 British FF2000 championship by a single point.

Drugs, sex, racing and rock 'n roll

Edited by hansfohr, 09 March 2010 - 13:30.

[hansfohr]

It's interesting to note that Ken Hensley Racing was founded by Uriah Heep guitarist Ken Hensley. The underrated Ian Taylor beat Tiff to the 1976 British FF2000 championship by a single point.

[Mallory Dan]

Mallory Park 1976


Needell - Taylor - Friswell

Rad Dougall's rather elegant Hawke

A driver who probably merits more mentions on TNF, Ian Taylor - Dulon

In the 1st pic, I think behind the 'big 3' are Adrian R in the Oselli SF76 (not his usual car that year as I recall), Vermilio in the Merlyn, and Stuart Baird, perhaps, in the Brook Hire Hawke DL14.

[Phil Rainford]

Spot on Dan......Brook Hire also sponsored Dave Millington in Special Saloons but you would't know that as his car had doors and a roof ;)

[Allen Brown]

And the red car Dan?

[Cirrus]

And the red car Dan?

The Merlyn Mk28 of Bernard Vermilio

Sorry to butt in Dan...

[Mallory Dan]

Spot on Dan......Brook Hire also sponsored Dave Millington in Special Saloons but you would't know that as his car had doors and a roof ;)

Phil, 'No More Heroes' like Millington and his team-mate Sir Tony Suggy any more are there? And didn't I say Bernard V, Allen? The FF2000 qualifying race that day was won by Syd Fox, from fellow legends Divi and Frank Bradley. A 'Golden Brown' day indeed.

[Allen Brown]

And didn't I say Bernard V, Allen?

Sorry Dan, I can't count. You named six cars and I thought I was seeing seven. To be honest, I didn't believe you could possibly identify a car from just a sliver of colour and a helmet. I must learn not to underestimate you.

[Alan Cox]

To be honest, I didn't believe you could possibly identify a car from just a sliver of colour and a helmet. I must learn not to underestimate you.

Mr Vermilio's white helmet with the distinctive "V" are the giveaway here, Allen, as ardent followers of FF at that time will probably recall

[Phil Rainford]

The Merlyn Mk28 of Bernard Vermilio

Sorry to butt in Dan...

Is this the same car 25 years on?




PAR

[Mallory Dan]

Is this the same car 25 years on?




PAR

Same model definitely Phil, and I think, the same car too. Only a few FF2000 Merlyn's ever made, as well as Bernard V, Rob Cooper had one in 75-76 FF2000 here.

[delta]

Same model definitely Phil, and I think, the same car too. Only a few FF2000 Merlyn's ever made, as well as Bernard V, Rob Cooper had one in 75-76 FF2000 here.

Thats a great shot. The driver of the Merlin teaches "Drifting"

[Cirrus]

Apparently it's not the same car, although it is the same colour, and is correct in all period details, including the stubby front wings. I have a feeling that Antony Raine, the owner, told me it was the Rob Cooper car.

[Phil Rainford]

Apparently it's not the same car, although it is the same colour, and is correct in all period details, including the stubby front wings. I have a feeling that Antony Raine, the owner, told me it was the Rob Cooper car.

Closer view of the car




PAR

[Cirrus]

The thread's called "Early FF2000 Information", and it doesn't come much earlier than this...

On 28th September 1974, there was a Formula Three race at Oulton Park where the very first FF2000 cars (about five of them) were allowed to join in. F3 was having a bad season in '74, and it made sense.

Does anyone have a full entry/results list for this race? The reason I'm asking is that we have someone who wants to race in Historic FF2000 who has a car which is similar to one which is supposed to have competed at Oulton.

Any info or snippets greatfully received...

[john winfield]

The thread's called "Early FF2000 Information", and it doesn't come much earlier than this...

On 28th September 1974, there was a Formula Three race at Oulton Park where the very first FF2000 cars (about five of them) were allowed to join in. F3 was having a bad season in '74, and it made sense.

Does anyone have a full entry/results list for this race? The reason I'm asking is that we have someone who wants to race in Historic FF2000 who has a car which is similar to one which is supposed to have competed at Oulton.

Any info or snippets greatfully received...

Alan,
I no longer have the relevant M News I'm afraid but I was having a look at Stefan's 'F2 Register' site. He gives results for the 28/9/74 meeting and mentions that the F3s ran with the FF2000s. I don't know my cars well enough to tell if these results are F3 only or whether there are some FF2000s too. Perhaps they are in the 'etc'! If so, sorry to waste your time......

http://www.formula2.net/F374_57.htm

John

[Alan Cox]

Lombard North Central Formula 3 race featured Class B for FF2000 cars. 5 cars were entered as follows:

15 Ian Taylor Dulon 2000/Driver Holbay
16 Robert Joubert Brabham BT41/JNM Racing Vegantune
18 Chris Pryer MRE 74SF/Driver Rowland
19 Bernard Vermilio Van Diemen/Driver Scholar
20 Richard Morgan Crossle/Southern Organs Int.Race Team Scholar

Sadly, model numbers lacking as per the programme. I have no copy of results, nor confirmation that all appeared.

PS I have to say that I hadn't realised that a BT41 ever appeared in FF2000

[MCS]

I'm fairly certain that this is one of the programmes I have referred to previously here on TNF and I'm more than happy to have a look and let you have the race day entry list programme scan.

More interestingly, my wife found my 1973 slides last weekend, which suggests other years are now possibly in reach and I am sure I have some shots of the said cars.

I will be in the UK this weekend and will let you know.

Edited by MCS, 17 March 2010 - 23:53.

[sat]

Ian Taylor won with 14 laps completed, Chris Prayer was second in class, Richard Morgan not finished. B. Vermilio DNS.

[Cirrus]

I'm fairly certain that this is one of the programmes I have referred to previously here on TNF and I'm more than happy to have a look and let you have the race day entry list programme scan.

More interestingly, my wife found my 1973 slides last weekend, which suggests other years are now possibly in reach and I am sure I have some shots of the said cars.

I will be in the UK this weekend and will let you know.

That's great! I am particularly interested in the Van Diemen that Bernard Vermilio drove.

The BT41 that Robert Joubert drove must be an F3 car that was put into the FF2000 entry list by mistake - there are very many ways in which a BT41 would not be eligible for FF2000...

[Ted Walker]

Good that has saved me a ob looking for the same thing on behalf of the owner unless of course you require photographic proof

[Cirrus]

Good that has saved me a ob looking for the same thing on behalf of the owner unless of course you require photographic proof

Photographic proof would be useful, Ted. I had a look through your FF2000 pictures at Stoneleigh, and don't remember seeing one of the Van Diemen.

We're probably going for championship status next year, and will need a registrar...

[Alan Cox]

Frank Sytner (Royale RP25) Clay Hill, Oulton Park 1977, pursued, I think, by Kenny Gray

[Phil Rainford]

Frank Sytner (Royale RP25) Clay Hill, Oulton Park 1977, pursued, I think, by Kenny Gray

Spot on


PAR

[MCS]

I'm fairly certain that this is one of the programmes I have referred to previously here on TNF and I'm more than happy to have a look and let you have the race day entry list programme scan...wah wah wah...

The details in Alan Cox's post are absolutely as printed in the programme, thus:

Lombard North Central Formula 3 race featured Class B for FF2000 cars. 5 cars were entered as follows:

15 Ian Taylor Dulon 2000/Driver Holbay
16 Robert Joubert Brabham BT41/JNM Racing Vegantune
18 Chris Pryer MRE 74SF/Driver Rowland
19 Bernard Vermilio Van Diemen/Driver Scholar
20 Richard Morgan Crossle/Southern Organs Int.Race Team Scholar

Sadly, model numbers lacking as per the programme. I have no copy of results, nor confirmation that all appeared.

PS I have to say that I hadn't realised that a BT41 ever appeared in FF2000

Joubert's (F3) Brabham started on the fourth row, but Vermilio's FF2000 Van Diemen failed to take the start.

Taylor won from Prior (correct spelling?), whilst Morgan was credited with fastest lap in the FF2000 section.

[Phil Rainford]

A trio of FF2000 cars from Mallory yesterday for Dan and Cirrus to discuss










PAR

[Cirrus]

The top picture shows Neil Fowler in the Lola T580 he has rebuilt from a box of bits (he did a 47.6 in it apparently, and may use it at Silverstone on the 15th instead of his Reynard)

Just out of interest, the entry for the Historic FF2000 race at Silverstone currently stands at 45 (max grid size is 44) - it should be an impressive sight.

[Phil Rainford]

The top picture shows Neil Fowler in the Lola T580 he has rebuilt from a box of bits (he did a 47.6 in it apparently, and may use it at Silverstone on the 15th instead of his Reynard)

Yep he was quick




PAR

[Phil Rainford]

For those who have not sampled the delights of the Mithril Racing School at Goodwood: they have a fantastic collection of Van Diemen RF82s as their single seaters ( and the odd Royale )










Rumour/Legend has it that due to the fact this car has modified front suspension ( As requested by a certain Brazilian ) it is indeed a ex - Senna chassis



Anybody able to confirm that the legend is indeed correct?

PAR

[JMB]

Wow Alan! Is Monsieur Schoysman a pseudonym or misprint... Dirk perhaps? I've heard of Saunier Duval, weren't they central heating or similar? I suspect its the wonderful John Bartlett's car, a T81 I think, SD were linked with him.

Call me naive but I was just wondering... why the mocking ‘wonderful’ comment on your post of 14th Oct? Found the comment/question by mistake whilst Googling something unconnected (I'm not used to using forums but can’t help asking!.... Anyway, the car was a Delta T80, updated to T81 Spec by Nick Crosley and was fitted with a Titan engine. It was Dirk Schoysman (who now lives in Germany).

[Mallory Dan]

Call me naive but I was just wondering... why the mocking ‘wonderful’ comment on your post of 14th Oct? Found the comment/question by mistake whilst Googling something unconnected (I'm not used to using forums but can’t help asking!.... Anyway, the car was a Delta T80, updated to T81 Spec by Nick Crosley and was fitted with a Titan engine. It was Dirk Schoysman (who now lives in Germany).

Many apologies John, another v poor attempt at sarcasm/humour on my behalf. It was just that you always seemed to attract a lot of column inches in the weeklies in the 80s, dare I say more than the average midfield runner. I guess you were/are a good publicist, nowt wrong with that! And you usually had more interesting cars than the average racer, viz the Delta, the Bardon and the Lola T610. Good to hear from you, got any good stories of that era?

[Alan Cox]

I attach the only photo I have of Martin Brundle during his FF2000 career, which may be of interest to FF2000 afficionados. Oulton Park April 1980


Edit: Sorry about the faded colour - any fiddling that I tried only made it worse.

Edited by Alan Cox, 14 October 2010 - 19:01.

[Cirrus]

Another great picture Alan - thanks! That car is now raced in Historic FF2000 by Steve Gardiner.

[Simon Arron]

That car is now raced in Historic FF2000 by Steve Gardiner.

Seen following Paul Dukes at Cadwell earlier this year....

[Cirrus]

I've had an email from Eddie Jones (son of Aiden, the Shannon F1 creator), asking for information about his FF2000 career. Apparently in 1979 he got on the front row twice, once at Mallory, and once at Oulton. On both occasions qualifying was wet, but the race was dry so he fell back on his worn-out slicks. The car he was driving was a two year old Dulon MP20. Does anyone have any pictures of him, or copies of time sheets?

Any help or recollections gratefully received.

[Mallory Dan]

Alan, I was at most Mallory meets that year Alan, and a good few were v wet! Just checked, and I can't see that Eddie was ever on the front row. He did practice 10th out of 20 at the, wet, May 7th meeting there, in that old Dulon, which was pretty good in that car, but not front row. He didn't enter most of the other races there that year, though the next week he quallied 12th out of 35 cars in total - there was a non-quallies race too.

[andyrp26]

Wonder if this is the car in question?Can't remember were i found this on the web in the past.


]

Alan, I was at most Mallory meets that year Alan, and a good few were v wet! Just checked, and I can't see that Eddie was ever on the front row. He did practice 10th out of 20 at the, wet, May 7th meeting there, in that old Dulon, which was pretty good in that car, but not front row. He didn't enter most of the other races there that year, though the next week he quallied 12th out of 35 cars in total - there was a non-quallies race too.

[arttidesco]

I don't have much info and even fewer pics on FF2000 but I did come across this now Vauxhall powered RP 30 run in sprint events by Bob and Anne Adams at the recent Wessex Sprint.

Also just came across this RP 30 Barn find with contact details that has 'recently' been sold.

[Phil Rainford]

Mallory Sprint on Sunday...





PAR

[Stephen W]

Mallory Sprint on Sunday...



PAR

Mr Hunter's Royale started life as an FF1600, David has 'converted' it to the spec it is in now so that he is more competitive when hillclimbing on the continent. BTW it isn't in FF200 spec or anything like!

[Phil Rainford]

Thanks Steve..... that is why even the guru Mr Arron was struggling to identify it



PAR

[Mallory Dan]

Its an RP31 then, ever so slightly more competitive than the RP32. Bob Marston really didn't do the job for Royale did he, at least not in single seaters.