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[ybee02]

Hello everybody I'm ybee02 and I've just joined.

My question is what would be the ultimate racing circuit using real live corners?

Please think about a different range of corners and keep to a minimum of 15 corners and maximum of 30.

Please post your replys.

[wolf sun]

Hmmm...let´s see...

First corner would have to be Eau Rouge, followed by Raidillion, straight on to the old Les Combes bend, down towards Burnenville, after which it would be Malmédy, next up might be Masta, Hollowell...

...hold on, I have a sneaking suspicion somebody thought of that before me!!!

[Gary C]

..........................Brand's Hatch every time.

[sterling49]

Originally posted by Gary C
..........................Brand's Hatch every time.

And for me........Grand Prix racing was never better than when it was at Brands........I would also nominate , Spa Franchorchamps, Targa, Nurburgring, and Monthlery, leave all these modern day tracks to the playstation gamers.................Cadwell Park......another brill track, forget designer circuits!

[HistoricMustang]

It has already been built...........3 miles in length, 40 degree banking, 21 turns, 50 foot wide, 110 foot elevation change, very few wooden guardrails and 100 MPH speeds within 10 feet of H2O plus a 3000 foot long pit lane outside of the racing circuit.

Damn, I miss that place!

Henry

[sterling49]

Originally posted by HistoricMustang
It has already been built...........3 miles in length, 40 degree banking, 21 turns, 50 foot wide, 110 foot elevation change, very few wooden guardrails and 100 MPH speeds within 10 feet of H2O plus a 3000 foot long pit lane outside of the racing circuit.

Damn, I miss that place!

Henry

Circuit looks great Henry, are you featured in any of the photos on the site? What happened to the circuit? I know little about it.

[Steve Carter]

Its Mount Panorama everytime - awesome circuit. Steve

[Ray Bell]

You've not been on here very often, Steve... so I'll forgive you for not realising that Lobethal was at least ten times as good as Mt Panorama...

I think it might have too many turns to qualify for this thread, however. As does the Nurburgring. And probably Pescara.

[Rob G]

I think the point of this thread is possibly being missed here. ybee02 is looking for the "ultimate circuit" using a combination of corners from different tracks.

Mine would include Paddock Hill Bend from Brands Hatch, the Eau Rouge/Radillon section and the Masta Kink from Spa, Laguna Seca's Corkscrew, the section from the Carousel to Canada Corner at Elkhart Lake, the Esses and the final corner at Road Atlanta, the Water Tower/Druids section from Oulton Park, Thruxton's Church Corner, the fast section around the back side of Zandvoort, Imola's Tamburello (pre-chicane, of course!), Suzuka's Degner curves, Massenet/Casino/Mirabeau at Monaco, and whatever sections of the Nordschleife and Mt. Panorama I can get to carry me to the maximum of 30 corners. Of course, there would have to be the proper length of straightaway before and after each corner to allow for them to be taken at the correct speed!

[Cirrus]

Thruxton's Church Corner

Before the bump was ironed out, I trust?

The Gooseneck at Cadwell concentrates the mind - a sort of mini-Corkscrew

Actually, Cadwell has most things - fast bits, slow bits, elevation changes, a bit where the quicker cars take off.

Amd it's caught out Ayrton Senna, Andrea De Cesaris and many others

Ask driver for details....

http://www.fastroada...deo/Cadwell.wmv

[MCS]

Great video, Alan.

But sections of the circuit have changed in terms of run-offs/barrier positions, etc. It's nowhere near as tight as it used to be and there seems to be much more room for error in the wooded bit. And has the red brick cottage at the hairpin disappeared?

My suggestion for the ultimate racing circuit - a combination of Rouen and Oulton Park. Wow!

[Cirrus]

Yes - unfortunately the farmhouse (cottage) has gone, as has the barn, which gave its name to Barn Corner. When we used to race there in the seventies, the area was still a working farm, and the safety measures at Barn Corner amounted to little more than keeping the doors of the barn open, thus exposing the hay bales within. If a car had gone in there and caught fire, I dread to think what might have happened......

The wooded bit you refer to, MCS, is Hall Bends. I remember Derek Daly sliding off there sideways in '77 in his F3 Chevron. He ended up totally out of sight, some way down the hill towards the pits. I believe the HSCC might be having a race at Cadwell next year - it's a great place to watch motor racing...

[Ray Bell]

Let's be sure to fit the Lukey Heights/MG Corner section of Phillip Island in there...

[seldo]

Originally posted by Ray Bell
Let's be sure to fit the Lukey Heights/MG Corner section of Phillip Island in there...

...and Dunlop curve at the end of the straight at (old) Surfers, and Bosch curve from Catalina Park, and Leger on to pit-straight at Warwick Farm, and ..is it Gardiner curve at the end of the straight at Phillip Is? ...and most of Mt Panorama, Hungry from Lakeside, half of Amaroo - esp Mazda House, the esses at the end of the back straight at Sandown....oh....and nothing from Calder, Oran Pk, Winton, AIR, Hume Weir and some more I'm too tired to think about.....

[HistoricMustang]

Originally posted by sterling49



Circuit looks great Henry, are you featured in any of the photos on the site? What happened to the circuit? I know little about it.

My mug is deep in the web site around the monument a couple of times. You will have to dig to get a glimpse.

The general feeling is that the death of Glenn "Fireball" Roberts (who designed the road circuit and was involved in management of the six track complex) had a major impact on failure of the road circuit. Glenn and the Augusta developers felt the future of automobile racing would be of the road variety. With him gone (and his superstar status) no other events were secured.

The remainder of the six track complex survived until 1970 but lack of cash flow from the monster road circuit ended the entire project.

Of course Augusta does not have near the heritage of other great circuits, but for a very brief moment it came pretty dang close to joining that group. The good thing is that she is still intact and not going anywhere.

Henry

[Stefan Ornerdal]

I am a little bit surprised that both Darren Galpin and Guido di Carli has omitted this fantastic track on their excellent websites:

http://www.formula2.net/UltimateGP.htm

There is also a entrylist for the race.
Anyone who knows the result of the race - or even better - is there any report from the meeting?


Stefan
www.vargarna.nu
www.formula2.net
stefan.ornerdal@minmail.net

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by seldo
...and Dunlop curve at the end of the straight at (old) Surfers, and Bosch curve from Catalina Park, and Leger on to pit-straight at Warwick Farm, and ..is it Gardiner curve at the end of the straight at Phillip Is? ...and most of Mt Panorama, Hungry from Lakeside, half of Amaroo - esp Mazda House, the esses at the end of the back straight at Sandown....oh....and nothing from Calder, Oran Pk, Winton, AIR, Hume Weir and some more I'm too tired to think about.....

Did you ever drive Winton?

If not, they you can be excused for not realising that the sweeping lefthander is an excellent corner...

And wouldn't you include everything from the Karussell to Hungry?

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by Stefan Ornerdal
.....There is also a entrylist for the race.
Anyone who knows the result of the race - or even better - is there any report from the meeting?

Stefan, I heard that the following events took place... but I can't recall where I heard this...

Vanwall were a last-minute entry, taking over two of the Bugatti private entry numbers, and Stirling Moss jumped ship (with RRC's permission, of course...) to drive one alongside Tony Brooks.

Jo Bonnier was going to take his place in the Cooper, but Varzi was busting to have another go at Nuvolari and Rob was taking side bets, so he filled the gap there, while the Parnell team actually got a second car together, and they finished up with Lucien Bianchi in one and Innes Ireland in the other, which was cobbled together with a BRP chassis.

[Stefan Ornerdal]

Thanks, Ray.

Another late mysterious entrant was ”The Nostalgia Forum” who entered four cars, of unknown vintage.

I short note in the magazine MotoringSportsAutoSprint says that possible drivers for the team could be Brian Redman, Vic Elford, Frank Gardner and A.N. Other. All of them likeable personalities and favourites by team members.

I wonder what happened to that racing team, ”TNF”? Never heard of them, since.



Sorry for the mispelling of Gooseneck.
(I was using black ink on ordinary paper, impossible to erase and correct. But I am happy that I wrote Cockscrew in the correct way)


Stefan

[seldo]

Originally posted by Ray Bell


Did you ever drive Winton?

If not, they you can be excused for not realising that the sweeping lefthander is an excellent corner...

And wouldn't you include everything from the Karussell to Hungry?

Yes, I agree - but that's the only bit of Winton worth a smile. And again agree about Lakeside too - but take out the bumps..

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by seldo
.....agree about Lakeside too - but take out the bumps..

Ahh... the 'character building' nature of that section...

Seeing Wayne Wakefield rocketing down there with back wheels on his Mazda RX3 station wagon boucing up and down eight inches as he waltzed out his two hundred yards of lead on the first lap... that alone is worth leaving the bumps!

[Paul Newby]

Not so sure about excluding Oran Park.

How about the right hander off the bridge through the Esses around Suttons / Robin Orlando and over the Dogleg. A challenging and undulating piece of track that we will soon miss.

No one here has mentioned Eastern Creek, which is fair enough. Mind you Wakefield Park is a super little track with lots of good corners, but probably no great corners.

[cosworth bdg]

SPA any time, good corners ,excellent straights, and elevation variances, this circuit is an engineering challenge for both drivers and engineers , both chassis , engines & transmissions.....................

[seldo]

Originally posted by Paul Newby
Not so sure about excluding Oran Park.

How about the right hander off the bridge through the Esses around Suttons / Robin Orlando and over the Dogleg. A challenging and undulating piece of track that we will soon miss.

No one here has mentioned Eastern Creek, which is fair enough. Mind you Wakefield Park is a super little track with lots of good corners, but probably no great corners.

Yeah.......maybe that bit of OP, but it just doesn't make it to my list of great corners I'm afraid. I guess it's because that, and in fact, most of OP always seems to provoke understeer which I hate with a passion. And ditto Wakefield Park although the RH kink at the end of the straight can be an eye-opener. I'm afraid I never had the pleasure of Eastern Creek to pass valid comment.

[Huw Jadvantich]

Could we have Silverstone's original woodcote preceded and followed by an appropriate length of straight?

[sterling49]

Originally posted by Huw Jadvantich
Could we have Silverstone's original woodcote preceded and followed by an appropriate length of straight?

Agreed................will never forget young Ronald blasting around there in the 72 as flat as a strap, with just a touch of oversteer....none but the super brave and talented!