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[Gramps3]

David,

John's book is "Racing in the Rain" available from David Bull Publishing.

Gramps

[hipperson]

Amazon....£20.99....but watch the postage charges.

CAVEAT EMPTOR :....Anything on this site that says 5-6 weeks delivery you will never get it.
Just given up on them with Michael Cotton's 'Blue & Orange'
After 3 months said they could not supply
Got it from Chaters ( same price) in a couple of days.
Avoid books offered 'secondhand' on Amazon you end up dealing with a private seller and as usual that spells disaster. First hand experience on this issue.

Much better to deal with friendly specialists even if more expensive.

[sterling49]

Originally posted by hipperson
Amazon....£20.99....but watch the postage charges.

CAVEAT EMPTOR :....Anything on this site that says 5-6 weeks delivery you will never get it.
Just given up on them with Michael Cotton's 'Blue & Orange'
After 3 months said they could not supply
Got it from Chaters ( same price) in a couple of days.
Avoid books offered 'secondhand' on Amazon you end up dealing with a private seller and as usual that spells disaster. First hand experience on this issue.

Much better to deal with friendly specialists even if more expensive.

Just ordered "Racing in the rain" with Vic Elfords book and they are quoting delivery after Xmas......mmmn, should have gone to Chaters.......

[scags]

I don't know- I've Never had a problem with the secondary sellers on Amazon, and I've bought hundreds of used books from them. It might be different in the UK.

[h4887]

Originally posted by sterling49

Just ordered "Racing in the rain" with Vic Elfords book and they are quoting delivery after Xmas.:

Me too, but the Elford book arrived in a couple of days.

[sterling49]

Originally posted by h4887

Me too, but the Elford book arrived in a couple of days.

I have used Chaters before, and very good they are to, just did not think that Amazon would have a problem....their warehouse on the M1 is large enough

[David Beard]

Originally posted by h4887

I always liked the Midas, actually....

[h4887]

Originally posted by David Beard


I always liked the Midas, actually....

[cstlhn]

Thanks for all the advice. I thought some of you might like to see this photo from Sebring.



Cheers, David

[Gramps3]

David,

That's Sebring 1969 and P1049, entered by Auto Enterprizes and driven by Francis Grant and Dieter Quest. This is the former Grady Davis car (April 1966) which started the whole Gulf JWA Ford GT40 program.

Wonderful photo. Love those GT40s.

Thanks,

Gary

[Fr@nk]

Very beautiful photo of a car who started a legend...

[cstlhn]

One of the few cars I have seen with that style side window? David

[bill patterson]

One of the few cars I have seen with that style side window?

I also note that FORD is on the nose of the car - makes me wonder if this GT40 had some road use prior to Sebring.

Any thoughts?

[Gramps3]

It is my understanding that Grady Davis, a VP with Gulf Oil, ordered P1049 as a road car with Borrani wire wheels but with a full race engine and received it in April 1966. Thus the side windows, Ford block letters on the nose, and the heated rear window, etc.

Davis had Dick Thompson drive P1049 in SCCA events in 1966 but it had to run in C Modified because the GT40 was not accepted as a production vehicle yet. More pictures at [url]www. VIRhistory.com of its early days.

Gramps

[sterling49]

Originally posted by h4887

Me too, but the Elford book arrived in a couple of days.

Neither book turned up yet.........looks like it's going to be TV for me this Xmas, hope it's not "The Wizard of Oz" ...again

[craigb]

What a fantastic thread!! Some marvellous photographs here, keep up the good work I just had to join when I found it.

I have a request if not too much bother, I am in the process of building up a replica of a Mk.II and am looking for a good photo of the Fern Leaf decal that the McLaren/Amon car carried behind the front left wheel during the 1966 Le Mans race.

The best one I have found so far is in "The Ford that beat Ferrari" but sadly there is a reflection right in the middle of it - typical eh.

Many thanks if you can help

[jj2728]

A couple of more quick scans from my dad's archives, Daytona 24 hours 1967.

[jj2728]

One more.

[Pedro 917]

Quote :

and am looking for a good photo of the Fern Leaf decal that the McLaren/Amon car carried behind the front left wheel during the 1966 Le Mans race.

What fern leaf decal? I checked several pictures but can't see a fern leaf decal behind the front left wheel.


Copyright : FoMoCo

[craigb]

Hi Pedro, sorry about that, it should have read front RIGHT (too early in the morning and I was still waking up )


Copyright "Ford That Beat Ferrari by Gordon Jones and John Allen"

Thanks for looking though

[PonysiteEd]

Originally posted by Gramps3
I am going to respectfully disagree with David. The photo in my opinion is a FOMOCO photo taken at New York in April 1964. It is the first GT40 completed and was rushed to New York City for the press introduction at I believe the Hotel Essex.

According to John Horsman in his new book John Wyer was very upset that several days of development time were lost for this trip to New York.

Gramps

Very true, the above pictures of the GT40 at the airport in April 1964 are copyrighted by the NVSAAC (probably sourced at Ford) btw.

Don't forget that the fibre bodies went from the US to UK much earlier. They are pictured at Fords design studio on October 10th, 1962!

We are doing more research in the design transfer/marriage with the Lola chassis from the design team perspective, although this is certainly "mined terrain" as we got aware during our initial post here back then. Anyway we accept any other opinion and listen now more to the genuine people.

Guess that Shelbys recent Octane July editorial "true GT40 story was never told" and some hints along the research are reason enough to shed some more light on the early period of the GT40 programm, although there is some resistance out there....

www.ponysite.de/phclark_gt40.htm

[arttidesco]

FELIC/1002 was owned by a friend of mine Roger Douglas-Hughes and my goodness he had a monster crash coming to work to his law practice one morning in Saffron Walden Essex.
He had the car car rebuilt and said he would keep it till he died.
In the late 80s he sold it to Bell & Colville for £650,000. A huge sum then.
Or as he put it..'a life changing' amount...and he was very well off.

 

 

 

 

Looking at the limited pages of Ronnie Spain's book available to me on the web, courtesy of Amazon, I see that Martin Colvill is shown as owning / having owned 1021 & 1084, but no mention of 1002 which may have been a vehicle trade on, I am wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to which car Martin was driving at the BGP meeting on 17 July 1982 as seen above ?

 

Relevant answers maybe used and credited in a forth coming blog, thanking you in anticipation of your responses.

Edited by arttidesco, 13 December 2013 - 01:19.

[David McKinney]

I am wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to which car Martin was driving at the BGP meeting on 17 July 1982 as seen above ?

1084

Bobby Bell tended to drive 1002

Without reference to the Spain book, my notes do not have Bell & Colvill as an owner of 1021

[elansprint72]

From the Spain book:

 

1002 Bought from Brian Classic on 30 March 1972 by roger Douglas-Hughes in Essex, via Willie Green, who persuaded him to paint it yellow..... heavy road accident in mid 70s... restored to standard Mk1 trim in metallic blue with black interior. Roger still owns the car (1986)

 

1021... badly crashed by Colin Crabbe at Brands in August 67, rebuilt and sold to David Walter who used it purely as a road car. It later sat for a while unsold in the Bell and Colville showrooms in 1970, before being returned to Walter.

 

I seem to have two copies of the Spain book, given the current price, one of them will have to go!

[arttidesco]

Thanks David and Pete

 

Yes not many books quoted at £2k plus new on Amazon I imagine

[Giraffe]

Ronnie Spain with Jan McLaren & Bruce's Le Mans winner at the Goodwood Revival this year,

 

 

 

 

 

Ronnie hardly ever comes up for air, an amazing character and an incredible source of information.

Edited by Giraffe, 13 December 2013 - 10:33.

[elansprint72]

Thanks David and Pete

 

Yes not many books quoted at £2k plus new on Amazon I imagine

Bonkers! I've put it on at a starting price of £50, which is possibly too low but... hey!

[helioseism]

Anybody have updated information about when Spain's new two-volume revised edition of the GT40 book  will be published?

[Lee Nicolle]

A couple of more quick scans from my dad's archives, Daytona 24 hours 1967.

Corner weight scales have shrunk a bit since then!!

[elansprint72]

Excellent records Lee- I love those luggage boxes; I suppose to have painted them black would have added weight!

[Catalina Park]

 

Ronnie Spain with Jan McLaren & Bruce's Le Mans winner at the Goodwood Revival this year,

 

 

 

 

 

Ronnie hardly ever comes up for air, an amazing character and an incredible source of information.

 

I was talking to Jan earlier in the year and I said to her that I had seen Bruce's Le Mans winner in a workshop in California back in 91 when it was being restored. She mentioned then that she had never seen it before and was hoping to see it at Goodwood. 

[AJB]

Unfortunately there are a number of differences between the restored car and the car as raced, and a number of models, in particular the recent Trumpeter 1/12th scale model, are perfect replicas of the car as it is now rather than as the race winner. It didn't have the NZ fern on the front wing (as requested by craigb above) nor the McLaren stickers on both side windows. I have not found an accurate model of this car in any scale, not even the expensive Exoto models, though these do have the correct fern and badges .

[Supersox]

From the Spain book:

 

1002 Bought from Brian Classic on 30 March 1972 by roger Douglas-Hughes in Essex, via Willie Green, who persuaded him to paint it yellow..... heavy road accident in mid 70s... restored to standard Mk1 trim in metallic blue with black interior. Roger still owns the car (1986)

 

1021... badly crashed by Colin Crabbe at Brands in August 67, rebuilt and sold to David Walter who used it purely as a road car. It later sat for a while unsold in the Bell and Colville showrooms in 1970, before being returned to Walter.

 

I seem to have two copies of the Spain book, given the current price, one of them will have to go!

FEL1C was last in the ownership of Allen Lloyd who raced it comprehensively-won Spa 6 hours about 15 years ago with Gerry Wainwright.When I last saw it its originality had been somewhat trashed in order to make it a competitive''historic' car.

FWIW FEL 1C -its Uk registration number stood for F English Ltd, FEL 2 C is on-or was until recently- a gloriously battered 1966 Land Rover.

[arttidesco]

Further to my question about Martin Colville's 1084, I see on this link there is a suggestion that 1004 was rebuilt into 1084 by JW Automotive, wondering if anyone can confirm this from Ronnie Spain's bible on the subject ?

[ron54]

Further to my question about Martin Colville's 1084, I see on this link there is a suggestion that 1004 was rebuilt into 1084 by JW Automotive, wondering if anyone can confirm this from Ronnie Spain's bible on the subject ?

Yes, Ralph,Page 203 in my copy.

[arttidesco]

Yes, Ralph,Page 203 in my copy.

Thanks Ron I'll take it as Gospel then

[elansprint72]

Thanks Ron I'll take it as Gospel then

Unfortunately there are some errors in the holy book....

 

As Porgy & Bess sang:

 

"The things that you're liable to read in the Bible, it ain't necessarily so".

 

I'm led to believe that Ronnie is producing the new version partly to correct the few errors which can now be corrected with hindsight.

[arttidesco]

Unfortunately there are some errors in the holy book....

 

As Porgy & Bess sang:

 

"The things that you're liable to read in the Bible, it ain't necessarily so".

 

I'm led to believe that Ronnie is producing the new version partly to correct the few errors which can now be corrected with hindsight.

 

I'll cop out with the "to the best of my knowledge at this time subject to revision of the bible" then

[Emery0323]

Further to my question about Martin Colville's 1084, I see on this link there is a suggestion that 1004 was rebuilt into 1084 by JW Automotive, wondering if anyone can confirm this from Ronnie Spain's bible on the subject ?

 

Yes, Ralph,Page 203 in my copy.

 

Wasn't 1084 the "heavy" JWA GT40 ?   I seem to recall reading that it didn't have all  of JWA's latest lightweight-spec construction that 1074 / 1075 / 1076 had.   

[charles r]

mmmmmmm...........................Emma Peel!!

A perfect combination.... The episode was shown again recently.

[marclaus]

This Emma Peel Ford GT 40 looks like an (partly ?) aluminium unfinished prototyp, even the air-vents are not cut out

[WOT]

This Emma Peel Ford GT 40 looks like an (partly ?) aluminium unfinished prototyp, even the air-vents are not cut out

 

 

Ohh!!  Is there a GT40 in the picture??

 

 

Emmmma Peeeeeel...... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................

[JacnGille]

 

 

 

Emmmma Peeeeeel...... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................

[Giraffe]

Bob Vincent in his GT40 on the Railway Straight at Aintree, 1970.

 

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[rdrcr]

OK image scrutinizers...  here's the quick story, I am looking for a specific photograph(s) taken during the filming of the movie "Grand Prix".  The shot(s) would be of the GT40 camera car during the filming at the Watkins Glen GP.  The specifics: there was a young boy, around 10 years old in that GT40 while it was in the hot pit area and maybe even on track.  That kid is a ol' pal of mine and it would be an awesome thing if we were to discover a photo of him in the car.  Modest reward if discovered!   Thanks!!

[rdrcr]

Diana Rigg - mmmm  what a babe! 

[Odseybod]

This Emma Peel Ford GT 40 looks like an (partly ?) aluminium unfinished prototyp, even the air-vents are not cut out

 

From memory, I think the front (of the car, not the lovely Emma) had been butchered so that a nasty ray gun thingy could rise out of it and cause havoc. Just a cheap old racing car then, of course, so such things tended to happen.

[Tim Murray]

Confirmed in this discussion on a GT40 forum, Tony (before they all started drooling over Emma Peel). Originally posted in this thread by Hipperson back in 2006:

http://www.gt40s.com...ngers-love.html

According to IMDB the car was chassis P/1008:

http://www.imcdb.org...-1008-1965.html

[DoubleM]

OK image scrutinizers...  here's the quick story, I am looking for a specific photograph(s) taken during the filming of the movie "Grand Prix".  The shot(s) would be of the GT40 camera car during the filming at the Watkins Glen GP.  The specifics: there was a young boy, around 10 years old in that GT40 while it was in the hot pit area and maybe even on track.  That kid is a ol' pal of mine and it would be an awesome thing if we were to discover a photo of him in the car.  Modest reward if discovered!   Thanks!!

 Well, I spent a lot of time the other day reading the whole of the "Grand Prix - the outtakes" thread and there were certainly pix from the Glen there, including the camera car (GT 40).  Don't know if that's any help - can't remember exactly they appeared in the thread but an enjoyable time will be guaranteed looking for them.....plenty of pix of Francoise Hardy too, if that's where you're at!

Good luck - Mike

[B Squared]

OK image scrutinizers...  here's the quick story, I am looking for a specific photograph(s) taken during the filming of the movie "Grand Prix".  The shot(s) would be of the GT40 camera car during the filming at the Watkins Glen GP.  The specifics: there was a young boy, around 10 years old in that GT40 while it was in the hot pit area and maybe even on track.  That kid is a ol' pal of mine and it would be an awesome thing if we were to discover a photo of him in the car.  Modest reward if discovered!   Thanks!!

You can also try contacting the good people at the International Motor Racing Research Center (IMRRC) in Watkins Glen to see if this moment is caught in any of their archive photos.

 

http://www.racingarchives.org/