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#251 Gary C

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 19:37

spotted this afternoon at Brooklands...........

 

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#252 D-Type

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 20:33

Very nice. 

 

That's not the Duesenberg crankshaft from the original photo so what is it?


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#253 Gary C

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 21:42

i've no idea Duncan



#254 bradbury west

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 00:12

As ever, I make no apologies for noting Jenks' passing 15 years ago today. I do, however, apologise for the poor quality of my shot of him with SCM and Lady Moss at the 1996 FoS. He was not in the best of health at that time.Jenks_SCM_Lady_Moss_Fo_S_1996_The_day_paPhoto copyright Roger Lund, all rights reserved.This was the occcasion when, as the three of them walked into the assembly area, the crowd suddenly fell to a hush, then the words "It's Jenks," and "it's DSJ" could be heard from the knowledgeable spectators, who broke into a spontaneous round of applause.Many thanks Jenks, and RIPRoger Lund

Another year passes. It is 17 years since Jenks left us.
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#255 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:18

Thank you, Roger...

 

A nice reminder.



#256 john aston

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 07:47

Different crowd demographic compared to when I met him at Donington at 93 GP. I had spotted the familiar figure (from pictures only ) pushing his little Moulton bike down hill next to the Craner Curves during free practice. Nobody looked twice at him but I seized the opportunity and had a chat with him. He was very opinionated - so he didn't disappoint- 'Mickey Mouse circuit ' etc and we talked for only 5 minutes or so but it was an encounter I treasure.



#257 Allan Lupton

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 08:44

Different crowd demographic compared to when I met him at Donington at 93 GP. I had spotted the familiar figure (from pictures only ) pushing his little Moulton bike down hill next to the Craner Curves during free practice. Nobody looked twice at him but I seized the opportunity and had a chat with him. He was very opinionated - so he didn't disappoint- 'Mickey Mouse circuit ' etc and we talked for only 5 minutes or so but it was an encounter I treasure.

Opinionated is what we expected of him - and as you'll see from my current sign-off (if your eyes are good enough now it's in a semi-invisible colour) I admit a similar trait. My last encounter with Jenks was in the paddock at a VSCC Silverstone by which time he was on a tricycle so that he "could still sit down when he stopped to talk to people"


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#258 blackmme

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 10:56

I thought it might amuse that the spirit of Jenks has been invoked to describe the soul of the Gran Turismo 6 racing/driving sim in a review today.  I certainly get what the reviewing is driving at (sorry).

Talk about two worlds colliding, I wonder what Jenks would have made of it?

 

http://www.eurogamer...urismo-6-review

 

It's a very nuanced review actually.

 

Regards Mike



#259 kayemod

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 11:12

I thought it might amuse that the spirit of Jenks has been invoked to describe the soul of the Gran Turismo 6 racing/driving sim in a review today.  I certainly get what the reviewing is driving at (sorry).

Talk about two worlds colliding, I wonder what Jenks would have made of it?

 

http://www.eurogamer...urismo-6-review

 

It's a very nuanced review actually.

 

Regards Mike

 

"A Rolls Royce engine at the foot of his bed"??? Surely it was out of a Daimler.



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#260 bradbury west

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 01:25

Another year goes by; 18 years . If I could   copy post 254 I would, to remind me of that lovely moment again.

Roger Lund



#261 kayemod

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 09:34

Another year goes by; 18 years . If I could   copy post 254 I would, to remind me of that lovely moment again.

Roger Lund

 

It's unlikely, but wouldn't it be great if this thread could make it all the way to post 722?



#262 David Birchall

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 09:53

Well, I'll do my bit.  I still get that wonderful book out occasionally and read the story of the poached egg on the draining board-priceless!



#263 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 10:50

I started it, so maybe it's appropriate I help it continue...

 

Every time I read an old article of his I'm reminded of his magic.



#264 Stephen W

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 11:17

Every so often I will see a photo and there in the background is DSJ just as I remember him. I suspect our first target really should be 356.



#265 Gary Davies

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 13:02

It's unlikely, but wouldn't it be great if this thread could make it all the way to post 722?

Well here's a small contribution. 'Twas 1994 as I recall. I was in Blighty visiting my parents for Christmas. They lived in Hampshire but I would always, on one or two days, travel up from New Milton to Waterloo and spend the day just wandering around London, still and forever my favourite city.

 

On this occasion, I walked into the City Road offices to buy the latest Motor Sport calendar. I still have it. While I was waiting to be served, DSJ bundled into the office and, after a few moments hesitation, disappeared into the interstices of the building. Plenty of time for me to say hello, to extemporate on his Mille Miglia piece(s), read by me over and over, to say how I loved Continental Notes from when I first started buying Motor Sport from Wrights News agency in Tylers Green in 1961 when I was a new boy at the Royal Grammar School, High Wycombe. Perhaps to query, even, his castigation of Moss in his reporting of the Race of Two Worlds. Or of JYS's stand on safety a few years later.

 

 

But I lacked either the courage or presence of mind. Probably both. But I have been in the presence of the feisty little bugger. I loved his writing, his passion and his, er, uncompromising views on this or that.  Put me in firmly in the missing D.S.J camp.



#266 foxyracer

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 10:54

I have very fond memories of Jenks.  He was opinionated of course but that's not a bad thing and although I agreed with most of what he wrote I certainly didn't like everything.  I guess he was the main reason I became an avid reader of Motor Sport magazine.  After his death I stopped reading it for a while until I discovered that Nigel Roebuck's column was not far short of Jenks' standard.  Nigel's column is still the first one I turn to when Motor Sport lands on my doormat each month.  Like Jenks I don't agree with everything he writes, especially his apparent liking for the sound of the new hybrid engines and his view that F.1 can't survive without the mainstream motor manufacturers.  Unfortunately, I don't much care for Mark Hughes style.  His race reports are factually accurate but the absence of opinions suggests a lack of real passion so there's little entertainment value. RIP Jenks and keep up the good work Nigel.



#267 Gary Davies

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 11:19

Oh yes, as the man himself might say, Roebuck has passion to throw away. I'm somewhat embarrassed to say the I can scarcely recall any opinion Nigel has put forward that I disagree with.  :blush:

 

Especially when he whinges about what 'They've' done to our Formula One.  :clap:



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Posted 30 November 2014 - 14:49

Everytime I read this topic's banner 'Does anyone miss DSJ', whenever it returns to page one of TNF, I always feel it implies there is some ambivalence in the question towards the passing of DSJ. Ray Bell, the creator of the topic, certainly stands very much in the DSJ camp as basically do the postings that have followed so maybe the topic heading should be reworked to read 'Why we miss DSJ'.  

 

As for me - I do. He was of a time and of an era. Both sadly are now gone. 


Edited by retriever, 30 November 2014 - 17:45.


#269 retriever

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 14:51

Ps. Sorry for the spelling error, now corrected - hopefully.


Edited by retriever, 30 November 2014 - 17:46.


#270 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 01:07

You are probably correct in your view there...

When I started the topic, TNF was a different place. It was somewhere we came to express our enthusiasm and help each other with knowledge etc. There was no argument, nobody claiming others were ganging up on them, complete respect and goodwill for all.

That, too, was a different time.

#271 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 17:34

No it wasn't.

(pp DSJ)

#272 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 19:28

Sorry, Doug...

I don't understand.

#273 RogerFrench

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 18:36

Sorry, Doug...

I don't understand.


I suspect Mr. Nye is taking a leaf from Jenks's book, as well as a bit of mickey.

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 07:28

RogerFrench, on 03 Dec 2014 - 19:36, said:

I suspect Mr. Nye is taking a leaf from Jenks's book, as well as a bit of mickey.

Only suspect?



#275 kayemod

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:16

I suspect Mr. Nye is taking a leaf from Jenks's book, as well as a bit of mickey.

 

Just is.



#276 Doug Nye

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 17:59

You sure?

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#277 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 19:12

Are you answering a question with a question?

Isn't that considered kind of gauche?

#278 GMACKIE

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 21:27

This is really exciting, isn't it ?



#279 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 22:05

Not nearly as exciting as watching DSJ eating some green snails at Monaco...

Or is it?

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#280 Doug Nye

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 23:57

Hmmm,yeeesssss - revolting wasn't it. But then he had lived in Belgium for some time...

His culinary tastes were occasionally quite...advanced, indeed.

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#281 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 01:06

Not for me...

I would have been about as likely to have tried that as I'd have been to put money down at the casino across the road.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:41

Ray Bell, on 05 Dec 2014 - 02:06, said:

Not for me...

I would have been about as likely to have tried that as I'd have been to put money down at the casino across the road.

I suppose you prefer witchetty grubs!!



#283 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:58

To be honest, most of my family gave up on them a few decades ago...

And when McDonalds came along, well, you know the rest.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 12:08

As the topic has turned to food, the last time I met Jenks was in the Little Chef coming up the Hogs Back from Farnham.

 

I was on the way back from somewhere West of here and he was on his way home from a day at Brooklands. Although we had not seen each other for a few years, to my surprise and delight he remembered me and we had a chat while waiting for our food to arrive.

 

We finished eating before him and said "Goodbye" and outside was red Porsche 924/944 I forget which. :wave:



#285 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 12:15

Snails are food?

I'd have thought that was really stretching a point...

#286 kayemod

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 12:18

Snails are food?

I'd have thought that was really stretching a point...

 

First item on a Little Chef menu, it's their speciality, they're famous for them. They have a never-ending stream of French customers.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 13:11

Snails were were part of the British diet too in the Middle Ages! Personally, despite having spent 15 years living in Paris, I have never tried them. I just could not take the smell of the garlic laced butter they are often served with. Witchity grubs on the other hand.......



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 19:19

Snails are food?

I'd have thought that was really stretching a point...

We have about half a dozen Blue-Tongue lizzards in our garden who would not agree with you.  ;)



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 20:07

One time in the Hotel Rosette at Spa, a bowl of steak tartare, complete with raw egg in half-shell on top, was delivered to our table in error. DSJ, never one to look a gift horse in the mouth, finished his snail starter and demolished the raw affair before his own trout meuniere arrived. Race weekends on Mr Tee's expenses - or in later years thanks to the major sponsors' hospitality - were always viewed asa refuelling opportunity, keeping the wolf from the door until the next race meeting.

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 11:30

Snails are food?

I'd have thought that was really stretching a point...

 

 

Snails were were part of the British diet too in the Middle Ages! Personally, despite having spent 15 years living in Paris, I have never tried them. I just could not take the smell of the garlic laced butter they are often served with. Witchity grubs on the other hand.......

 

Archaeologists have recently discovered that snails were the first creatures that man farmed! Must have been Frenchmen! 



#291 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 12:14

Lazy things!

Not prepared for a bit of sport to get their food, have you ever seen how slowly snails move? They're as slow as... ummm... snails...

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 17:42

Depends... whenever I see a snail, and bend over to have a closer look or even pick it up - WHOOSH, it's gone! :eek:

 

Much prefer those on the table: can't move, and taste yummy! :cool:



#293 GMACKIE

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 20:37

And boy...doesn't Geoff Morgan's Group S car go !



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 20:16

Interestingly, our little hero would have celebrated his 94th birthday today, still 6 years off the 100 he aimed for,  had not the events of 1996 prevented it. I often wonder how he would have regarded our sport as we see it today. I know he always enjoyed the technical side a great deal, which explains his love of the original turbo era where it was all about the drivers' ability to master the power, but I am unsure just how he would see today's efforts in effwun, where I read recently that the driver's controlling  input was a mere 10%, with the car/techno stuff representing 80% of the success. I am not sure how he would regard the tech input from the pits or even the data analysis  office at home base telling a driver what to do and how to do it..... I am pretty sure he would have appreciated modern big  motor bike racing, the body language of the  tyres and bikes as the rider opens the throttle etc.

Roger Lund



#295 David Birchall

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 21:22

And Marquez would be his new Senna...



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 22:47

Interestingly, our little hero would have celebrated his 94th birthday today, still 6 years off the 100 he aimed for,  had not the events of 1996 prevented it. I often wonder how he would have regarded our sport as we see it today. I know he always enjoyed the technical side a great deal, which explains his love of the original turbo era where it was all about the drivers' ability to master the power, but I am unsure just how he would see today's efforts in effwun, where I read recently that the driver's controlling  input was a mere 10%, with the car/techno stuff representing 80% of the success. I am not sure how he would regard the tech input from the pits or even the data analysis  office at home base telling a driver what to do and how to do it..... I am pretty sure he would have appreciated modern big  motor bike racing, the body language of the  tyres and bikes as the rider opens the throttle etc.

Roger Lund

 

I think he would have welcomed this season's return to 'more power than grip', would have been frustrated by the occasional need to go into fuel-saving mode, would have appreciated the quality of the noise (so much better live than on the box), and would have been very pithy about push-to-pass overtaking enablers such as DRS.  I don't think he and Bernie would have hit it off all that well ...



#297 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 23:26

Max Stahl once interviewed DSJ on tape...

And when he turned the tape off he answered some questions about his thoughts on the present day 'off the record'. That was late '70s, Max never told me what he said and wouldn't remember now either. I think it would have been interesting.