Motorcycle racing: 1949-1968 nostalgia
#1
Posted 02 November 2006 - 09:51
Also we had a great period with many fantastic MCs , riders and championships. I hope many of you think the same and wish for lots of pictures , indos etc. and perhaps some transporters or paddock pics as this area is my special, and there is even less in MCs than on Car Racing. Infos on books , articles , tips on MC sites , anything goes.
#3
Posted 02 November 2006 - 16:43
#4
Posted 02 November 2006 - 16:55
Brain-fade on my part...Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Sorry Twinny , I dont know from where the years came.
#5
Posted 03 November 2006 - 03:45
#6
Posted 03 November 2006 - 08:58
here are some pics for you
cheers marty
#7
Posted 03 November 2006 - 13:41
Can anyone help with identifying these riders for me. I have no information on dates/places but am hoping someone out there will be able to regognise them.
#8
Posted 03 November 2006 - 13:48
#9
Posted 03 November 2006 - 14:51
John Surtees I should have known as he was just at the end of "my era"
Paul
#10
Posted 03 November 2006 - 15:09
Post 6.2 : ? post 6.3 : Fath? post 7.17 Bob Mac?(helmet)
#11
Posted 03 November 2006 - 17:43
Post 6.2 is a damaged Manx Norton with a Peel 'Mountain Mile' fairing, the best looking of all 50s and 60s fairings.
Post 6.3 - Helmut Fath? I'm not so sure.
#12
Posted 03 November 2006 - 18:35
#13
Posted 03 November 2006 - 19:27
Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Can any tell me the name of Hailwoods private team (with his father Stan)?
was it*ecurie sportive?),they had the motto*for love of the sport*on the vans and bikes.
#14
Posted 04 November 2006 - 00:48
6.2 Sven Gunnarson's Norton who crashed 29.4 1962 at the Suedschleife Nuerburgring
6.3 is Heiner Butz standing...in the bachground sitting behind the trailer should be Ludwig Malchus
cheers marty
#15
Posted 04 November 2006 - 01:49
i'll enjoy contributing to this post as my main intrest in nostalgic biking is between 1958 and 1967 .... when the dunboyne road racing was held .
#16
Posted 04 November 2006 - 11:12
Here are some ref. I found :
P3 Motorsport photos
classic-motorrad.de
eggersdorf.info
Anyone know where the complete World championship results of that time is to get?
#17
Posted 04 November 2006 - 11:49
There are some useful sites mentioned in this threadOriginally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Anyone know where the complete World championship results of that time is to get?
#18
Posted 04 November 2006 - 13:27
Originally posted by renzo
was it*ecurie sportive?),they had the motto*for love of the sport*on the vans and bikes.
well? was this ok for you? an answer would be nice.
#19
Posted 04 November 2006 - 13:56
To Renzo , thanks, I have a picture of the Hailwood van where I couldnt see /remember all the text
so thats nice . Further, I have seen you on the MCNostalgia and still follows that thread! This one is not meant to be a competing thread!
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#20
Posted 04 November 2006 - 14:04
#21
Posted 04 November 2006 - 14:41
So all in all there is a lot to work with, do I have to mention....I do it anyway :
Morini,Montesa,Bultaco,Guzzi,Mondial,Bianchi,MV,Gilera,EMC,BMW,Benelli,Matchless,AJS,Norton and all the private british tuners etc.
#22
Posted 04 November 2006 - 21:33
http://www.p-3motors...12/display/1488
Wonder what happened to it
#23
Posted 05 November 2006 - 08:16
http://racingmemo.fr...GP-CH MONDE.htm
a click on the year gets you to a detailed review of the season, with a list of entrants and a race-by-race report , a click on the name of the world champ leads to a results grid for the category
If you go back from there ( click on "sommaire moto" in the top left hand corner ) you access the main menu with various other results pages ( pre-1949 races, european championships, F750, etc.....)
It's all in french of course, but the names , bikes, results etc.... are fairly universally understandable I think ;) .....
#24
Posted 05 November 2006 - 13:52
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ok,hope you like these i fished out of my old photos.
i think i took them around 1968/69 at brands hatch,i think it may have been the *hutchinson 100* meeting.
the first show murray walker chatting to mike hailwood with bill ivy looking at his bike.
the other one is bill trying the NORTON forks he was experimenting with on the 4?cylinder yamaha.
he wasn't very popular with yamaha over that if i rememebr right.
#25
Posted 05 November 2006 - 14:58
Paul Rochdale , theres the info about Roland Foll we have talked about, my memory was not playing tricks
http://racingmemo.fr...OTO-GP-1964.htm
#26
Posted 05 November 2006 - 17:13
Just think about those years 50s 1-2-3 cyl. , 125s 1-2-3-4-5 cyl. , 250 1-2-3-4-6 cyl. ,350s 1-2-3-4-6
cyl. 500s 1-2-3-4-V8 cyl. plus the 2 strokes 1-2-4 cyl. and the sidecars too.
#28
Posted 05 November 2006 - 19:28
I'm sure you realise that the passenger in the Chris Vincent pic is none other than John 'Mooneyes' Cooper. As for Roland Foll, I can't recall what we discovered about him. Did you say at the time he was killed in a racing accident?
Paul
#29
Posted 06 November 2006 - 10:05
http://www.p-3motors...12/display/1231
#30
Posted 06 November 2006 - 10:54
i can spot phil read,bill ivy,griff jenkins,derek minter,john blanchard etc.
#31
Posted 06 November 2006 - 11:33
6 - Rex Butcher
9 - Bill Ivy
11 - Derek Minter
1 - John Cooper(?)
7(behind Minter) - Rod Gould
I should know 3 but my brain is a bit fuzzy.
#32
Posted 06 November 2006 - 12:59
#33
Posted 06 November 2006 - 16:45
Are you sure about this? I have him as number 24 in this race. If it's the right bike, my father has it today. It's likely that you're right, though. The bike must have been damaged in the way the photo shows; the frame still carries re-inforcements around the steering/fork joint.Originally posted by Martin Roessler
6.2 Sven Gunnarson's Norton who crashed 29.4 1962 at the Suedschleife Nuerburgring
Yep, and the bike is an NSU SportmaxOriginally posted by Martin Roessler
6.3 is Heiner Butz standing...in the bachground sitting behind the trailer should be Ludwig Malchus
#34
Posted 06 November 2006 - 18:56
Originally posted by Jonas
Are you sure about this? I have him as number 24 in this race. If it's the right bike, my father has it today. It's likely that you're right, though. The bike must have been damaged in the way the photo shows; the frame still carries re-inforcements around the steering/fork joint.
Gunnarsson carried number 26 in the 500cc race. Number 24 was Holger Ekström (Matchless).
Martin, was your father present at this race? Did he take any more photographs?
#35
Posted 07 November 2006 - 06:14
the info about the bike came from my father....thats what he wrote next to the picture in his photoalbum:
Norton 500 ccm
Fahrer:
Sven O.Gunnarson
Schweden (verletzt)
Do you have a picture of the bike as it is today? Great how things come together in this forum
Rob
yes my father was present at the race but unfortunately didn't take many pictures....not sure if i sent you the ones of the crashed Lola Formula Junior of H.A. Stausberg and the TCA Junior ?
I have another pic of Heiner Butz drinking coffee if that is of any interest
Got a few more Hockenheim pics though.....
cheers Marty
#36
Posted 07 November 2006 - 06:40
Grand Prix Hockenheim 26.05 1963
cheers marty
#37
Posted 07 November 2006 - 10:38
http://www.classic-m...p?threadid=504
#39
Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:06
201 Morishita Isao,
203 Ichino Michio....
my father wrote next to the picture with #202
"The japanese rider Itoh Mitsuo at his 50ccm Suzuki"
He is definately one of the japanese riders mentionned above ,obviously giving the mechanic behind the bike a hand...but who is he...?
cheers Marty
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#40
Posted 07 November 2006 - 13:46
The Japanese Suzuki team riders were Isao Morishita, Michio Ichino and Mitsuo Itoh (as well as Ernst Degner) and there's a small amount about them on the Net.
#41
Posted 07 November 2006 - 15:22
Definites are:- 6 Rex Butcher; 2 Griff Jenkins; 9 Bill Ivy; 16 Peter Williams; 11 Derek Minter; Rod Gould (behind Minter); 1 John Cooper; 3 Ron Chandler; 20 Tom Phillips.
Possibilities are:- 4 Dan Shorey? 23 Graham Sharp (next to Williams)? 19 Brian Ball? (Can't see Blanchard though?).
Thanks renzo - I loved this era! Any more like this?
#42
Posted 08 November 2006 - 20:02
G.
#43
Posted 09 November 2006 - 11:40
#44
Posted 09 November 2006 - 17:45
Sure! Photo of the same bike in 2005:Originally posted by Martin Roessler
Norton 500 ccm
Fahrer:
Sven O.Gunnarson
Schweden (verletzt)
Do you have a picture of the bike as it is today?
#45
Posted 09 November 2006 - 18:51
#46
Posted 09 November 2006 - 21:28
thanks for the pic! Great to see the bike survived
btw. i like the restauration with the dents still in the tank ....
once again...this forum is simply the best!!!!!
cheers marty
#47
Posted 10 November 2006 - 08:55
The bike has actually never been restored, at least not in the ground-up sence. It has been in continuous use from new up until this day and, of course, overhauled mechanically every now and then. So the fuel tank, for instance, has never been re-sprayed. Of course one can have thoughts about removing the dents and make it all shining again. But I prefer a Manx Norton that looks, and indeed IS, original. Sadly, you rarely see one these days......Originally posted by Martin Roessler
i like the restauration with the dents still in the tank ....
#48
Posted 10 November 2006 - 11:24
#49
Posted 10 November 2006 - 11:38
No, it's correct that the dents have been made on purpose for someone with - apparently - big hands. They probably didn't have to be as big as they are. But my point is that this bike has been like this since its early days (although not in the old photo, which was from the bike's very first race) and therefore it's not obvious that it should be changed in order to make it more aesthitical.Originally posted by Paul Rochdale
My apologies Jonas, I didn't appreciate that the dent was as a result of the earlier crash as it's not shown in the old photo. I'm sure you know that some riders added deeper dents in this area to make more space for their hands.
#50
Posted 10 November 2006 - 15:57
I have to say that my money's on Graham Sharp for that number 23 at Brands (I don't think it's Tony Godfrey). He was a regular mid-fielder and quite handy around that time. As I recall, he had a dark lid with small white cross at the front and rode a Manx with black and white Avon fairing (Minter-style). Anyone confirm?