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#6201 Russell Burrows

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 17:02

Some interesting stuff here, including Arthur's old Guzzi.
http://www.racing-mo....uk/forsale.php

http://www.raveengin....com/guzzi.html

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#6202 HEMEYLA

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 05:42

Easy and not so easy, WWW ?

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#6203 GD66

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 07:42

Tricky : not everyday you'd be racing past an NSU these days...John Cooper on the Seeley, so '66 probably, Geoff Barry in close attendance, the two mystery men will have to be identified from Russell's Pudding Basin File.... :cool:

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 08:25

Tricky : not everyday you'd be racing past an NSU these days...John Cooper on the Seeley, so '66 probably, Geoff Barry in close attendance, the two mystery men will have to be identified from Russell's Pudding Basin File.... :cool:



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Posted 05 June 2010 - 10:55

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Here is the entry for Snetterton 1964 350 cc Heat

There are several i already know but can anyone fill in the rest ?

2-Joe Dunphy
3-John Cooper[Mooneyes]
7-Dave Degans
10-Rex Butcher
11-Derek [The Mint]Minter
23-Charlie Sanby
29-Alan? Peck
32 Griff Jenkins
33-Ron ? Chandler



#6206 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 11:44

Easy and not so easy, WWW ?

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Based on the assumption that it's the G50: a MK 1 Seeley that I think he rode from '67 right up until '7I. Later on it was always fitted with a distinctive white fairing, so ill go with '68. Haven't a clue where though, nor do I recognise the other blokes - they somehow look like Brits though.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 05 June 2010 - 11:54.


#6207 fil2.8

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:00

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Here is the entry for Snetterton 1964 350 cc Heat

There are several i already know but can anyone fill in the rest ?

2-Joe Dunphy
3-John Cooper[Mooneyes]
7-Dave Degans
10-Rex Butcher
11-Derek [The Mint]Minter
23-Charlie Sanby
29-Alan? Peck
32 Griff Jenkins
33-Ron ? Chandler


4 Chris Conn , 8 Peter Darvill , 14 Derek Filler , 15 George Barnacle , 18 , Martyn Ashwood , 20 Derek Best , 21 , George Cant , 26 , Jack Izzard , 28 , Barry Lawton , 31 , Chris Neve , ( could be Colin ) 34 Barry Randle 39 , Marly Drixl , think that's all I know


#6208 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:01

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Here is the entry for Snetterton 1964 350 cc Heat

There are several i already know but can anyone fill in the rest ?

2-Joe Dunphy
3-John Cooper[Mooneyes]
7-Dave Degans
10-Rex Butcher
11-Derek [The Mint]Minter
23-Charlie Sanby
29-Alan? Peck
32 Griff Jenkins
33-Ron ? Chandler

A few more: Manx winner Peter Darvill; Drixton builder Marly Drixl;Martyn Ashwood; Chris Conn; Syd Lawton's son, Barry; George Cant........

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:07

Easy and not so easy, WWW ?

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Not often I know anything in your threads guys, but I still look at the photos!!! Does anyone have any idea what the eyes on the helmet of the 1st rider are? I saw them on one racing car in the '60s and think I know the answer?? Just interested, I had no idea it was a bike thing too :wave:

(I bet Phil knows, he know most everything :lol: :up:

#6210 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:13

Not often I know anything in your threads guys, but I still look at the photos!!! Does anyone have any idea what the eyes on the helmet of the 1st rider are? I saw them on one racing car in the '60s and think I know the answer?? Just interested, I had no idea it was a bike thing too :wave:

(I bet Phil knows, he know most everything :lol: :up:


John Cooper wacked them on his crash hat from about the mid sixties, Sterling. I'm not sure there's anything too profound behind this though, although as you say Phil should be able to enlighten us. :wave:


#6211 fil2.8

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:13

Not often I know anything in your threads guys, but I still look at the photos!!! Does anyone have any idea what the eyes on the helmet of the 1st rider are? I saw them on one racing car in the '60s and think I know the answer?? Just interested, I had no idea it was a bike thing too :wave:

(I bet Phil knows, he know most everything :lol: :up:


We'll see , Sterling , :rolleyes: , I think it was an American Oil / Accessories company , or similar , and riders of those days , unlike now :mad: , mostly had distinctive designs , and John Cooper , the rider , picked these !!!

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:25

We'll see , Sterling , :rolleyes: , I think it was an American Oil / Accessories company , or similar , and riders of those days , unlike now :mad: , mostly had distinctive designs , and John Cooper , the rider , picked these !!!



Well done philipa .... :wave:

Moon Equipment Co. (MOON) also known as MOONEYES, was established by Dean Moon in the 1950's and is located in Santa Fe Springs, California USA.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:29

Well done philipa .... :wave:

Moon Equipment Co. (MOON) also known as MOONEYES, was established by Dean Moon in the 1950's and is located in Santa Fe Springs, California USA.



Spot on that man, California rules! John Quick had them on his fastback "E" Type often seen at Brands, and period photos of American racecars often displayed the decals too. Can't fool you bikers :smoking: :lol:

Edited to say: Cars with more bodywork available, often had the slogan "Moon Equipped" too....................

Edited by sterling49, 05 June 2010 - 12:31.


#6214 fil2.8

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:33

Well done philipa .... :wave:

Moon Equipment Co. (MOON) also known as MOONEYES, was established by Dean Moon in the 1950's and is located in Santa Fe Springs, California USA.



thank's Worzel :blush: , how are you today ??? , not hungover , I trust :eek:


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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:35

thank's Worzel :blush: , how are you today ??? , not hungover , I trust :eek:


I am getting used to the situation :|

#6216 GD66

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 13:04

Chris Neve, isn't it ? And Roy Bisbey.

#6217 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 15:23

Couple of late sixties scratchers......... ??
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#6218 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 15:24

Chris Neve, isn't it ? And Roy Bisbey.


Think it is GD :up:


#6219 GD66

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 15:33

Blinder, Russell ! Malcolm Uphill (brave enough for ya ?) and ah, um, ah...is that an early pic of Rod Gould ? Alan Peck, maybe...

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#6220 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 15:51

Blinder, Russell ! Malcolm Uphill (brave enough for ya ?) and ah, um, ah...is that an early pic of Rod Gould ? Alan Peck, maybe...


Spot on GD, Gould it is. Malcolm seemed to like to wrestle the ol' Manx a bit with those long extended bars?

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 18:00

I think rider 31 in the Cooper group may be Martin Watson.

Russell - thanks for posting the picture of my all-time hero Malcolm Uphill. He is pictured at a Brands Brands international meeting in the easter of 1968, where he won the unlimitted final. He beat the cream of the UK scratchers in the process that day (Pickrell, Gould, Croxford and others). In fact I have an excellent photo that I purchased from Mortons from that very race, but as much as I would like, copyright issues forbid me to post it on the forum! Malcolm went on to have a couple of top three placings at a Mallory international the following day, in equally good company. I remember Malcolm featured in the cover shot of that Wednesday's Motor Cycling weekly (or was it MCN?) with the caption "On-form Malcolm Uphill leads the charge into Devil's Elbow at Mallory.....etc". Although better rememberd for his achievements on road circuits, he could mix it with the best of the short circuit scratchers. At one point, Phil Read was quoted in the press as saying that Malcolm was "the best production machine rider in the world today". I think he had a few memorable encounters with your own "hero" Alan Barnett back in the day, if memory serves. He was of course a fellow welshman, which might explain my enthusiasm!

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 19:09

Tricky : not everyday you'd be racing past an NSU these days...John Cooper on the Seeley, so '66 probably, Geoff Barry in close attendance, the two mystery men will have to be identified from Russell's Pudding Basin File.... :cool:


:clap: John on Seeley-Matchless ans Geoff on Norton.

The other two riders are from Sweden.

And yes it is 1968, a race in the land of wooden shoes.  ;)

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 20:59

:clap: John on Seeley-Matchless ans Geoff on Norton.

The other two riders are from Sweden.

And yes it is 1968, a race in the land of wooden shoes.;)



I think: #36 Bo Granath #31 Kurt-Ivan Carlsson

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#6224 HEMEYLA

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 21:29

Bo Granath raced #36 here but this is #38 J.L.

#31 B.A. did the fastest lap.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 07:24

Some interesting stuff here, including Arthur's old Guzzi.
http://www.racing-mo....uk/forsale.php

http://www.raveengin....com/guzzi.html

Yes Russell my old Guzzi now nicely restored That bike bring back some memories some good and some not so good

#6226 GD66

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 05:55

Russell - thanks for posting the picture of my all-time hero Malcolm Uphill.



Used to love pics of Malcolm getting stuck into it, short circuit or on the Island : big and brave, and didn't mind sticking it hard hard into corners. I was always reminded of him when watching film of David Jefferies wrestling his way round the Island... :eek:

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:16

Anyone familiar with a racer from the 60's called John? Poyzer, from Glossop or Manchester way, rode in UK and Europe, in fact he was very seriously injured in an accident racing at or near Gronningen? Holland in 1969, he was paralyzed and sadly died 4 years later, anyone know of him and or got pictures etc?

I realise this is an old post to reply to but I'm new and just reading through. I scanned forward a bit and didn't see any response to this one. I knew John quite well and went to visit him after his accident. He had given up solo racing due to lack of funds and a family to support. He was passengering in a moto x outfit...quite successfully if I remember correctly..when the accident happened.
His wife was unable to care for him and he fell into a deep depression. He was always a very fun loving , larger than life character and my fondest memories were of him racing a moto x bike in the road races at Catterick. I think he finished around fourth. That would be in 1963 I think when I was just starting out.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 14:31

I am now able to post this, the picture of Malcolm that I referred to in my previous post. It's a great shot I think, and was taken at the Brands international meeting of easter 1968 when an "on-form" Malcolm took his Manx by the scruff and won the 1000cc final, beating the best of Britain's short-circuit scratchers in the process.

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#6229 GD66

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 14:37

Committed, or what !

#6230 Russell Burrows

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 17:50

I am now able to post this, the picture of Malcolm that I referred to in my previous post. It's a great shot I think, and was taken at the Brands international meeting of easter 1968 when an "on-form" Malcolm took his Manx by the scruff and won the 1000cc final, beating the best of Britain's short-circuit scratchers in the process.

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Excellent Shot, Barry. Yeah, says heaps about his determination. I think I recall reading that Minter ,who as you know tended to be a bit disparaging about those who came after himself, was at Brands at the meeting you mentioned and cited him as a future star. I also dug out a sort of profile recently - who was the sponsor with a penchant for flogging the Manx motors that Malcolm spent so much time preparing?

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 17:31

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A letter from Malcolm I received after I had sent him my best wishes for a speedy recovery after his crash at the Ulster GP on a Suzuki 500, I was a 15 year old boy then and proud to receive an answer :up: Looks like it was probably written in bed ...

Edited by Rennmax, 12 June 2010 - 18:05.


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Posted 12 June 2010 - 18:45

It's nice to see Malcolm so fondly remembered. He was a boyhood hero of mine, and I followed his career with a passion. I read that same article Russell - regarding the Manx engines he prepared, with someone else getting the credit (and the dosh) - but I don't know who the "tuner" was. I do have a hunch though, but it wouldn't be right to name names since I could be wrong! Glad you all like the photo! It's a Nick Nicholls job I think, and I remember it appearing in MCN that week back in 1968 - so I tracked it down a couple of years ago with the help of a researcher at Mortons and bought the print. I once read that, before the 1969 Production TT, a quietly confident Malcolm enquired at race control if they had a recording of the welsh national anthem to hand, should it be required!

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 21:34

This is a good read :up: !

http://www.guskuhn.n...g/GKMRacing.htm

#6234 Russell Burrows

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 13:05

WWW?
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 13:53

This is a good read :up: !

http://www.guskuhn.n...g/GKMRacing.htm


Yeah, really good. Shame so many are no longer around though.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 14:04

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Hi Russ,

Masetti nearest the camera, then HP Muller. Far side is Diulio Agostini, maybe Hobl next to him. Nurburgring

Edited by graham houlihan, 15 June 2010 - 14:07.


#6237 Russell Burrows

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 14:25

Hi Russ,

Masetti nearest the camera, then HP Muller. Far side is Diulio Agostini, maybe Hobl next to him. Nurburgring

Hello Graham, yes, Massetti and Muller, Nurburgring '55. Agostini and Hobl seems reasonable too.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 12:49

Hello Graham, yes, Massetti and Muller, Nurburgring '55. Agostini and Hobl seems reasonable too.


I think this is the 350cc race, the NSU bike is not Müller, it is Hans Baltisberger. second NSU in the second row is Helmut hallmeier.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 13:22

I think this is the 350cc race, the NSU bike is not Müller, it is Hans Baltisberger. second NSU in the second row is Helmut hallmeier.


Yep, didn't look closely enough at that one! It is Baltisberger not Mueller. The Norton on the front row is Jack Ahearn.

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#6240 Russell Burrows

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 14:01

This is interesting, gents. In a 1992 copy of Classic Racer, from whence the pic was borrowed, either the magazine journo or one Karl-Heinz Rieger, the apparent owner of the image, believe it to be Muller and are wanting to know the ID of 98 and the Guzzi rider at the end of the line.

#6241 graham houlihan

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 14:55

This is interesting, gents. In a 1992 copy of Classic Racer, from whence the pic was borrowed, either the magazine journo or one Karl-Heinz Rieger, the apparent owner of the image, believe it to be Muller and are wanting to know the ID of 98 and the Guzzi rider at the end of the line.


I'll did the programme out... sure it's filed away somewhere here!

#6242 graham houlihan

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 19:14

This is interesting, gents. In a 1992 copy of Classic Racer, from whence the pic was borrowed, either the magazine journo or one Karl-Heinz Rieger, the apparent owner of the image, believe it to be Muller and are wanting to know the ID of 98 and the Guzzi rider at the end of the line.


Here's the 55 German GP prog. Shows Baltisberger on the 51 NSU

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 19:33

Here's the 55 German GP prog. Shows Baltisberger on the 51 NSU

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Good stuff, Graham, thanks. Wonder why no Gileras?

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 23:23

Good stuff, Graham, thanks. Wonder why no Gileras?


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Errr - 350 Gileras didn't appear until 1956, Russ

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#6245 Russell Burrows

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 08:08

:wave:

Errr - 350 Gileras didn't appear until 1956, Russ

;)



Whoops...:blush:

#6246 Russell Burrows

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 08:35

Here's the 55 German GP prog. Shows Baltisberger on the 51 NSU

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Perhaps now, 18 years after he asked, I should now drop Karl-Heinz in Nordhorn a line :D


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Posted 17 June 2010 - 10:27

Perhaps now, 18 years after he asked, I should now drop Karl-Heinz in Nordhorn a line :D


Well, better late than never!


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Posted 17 June 2010 - 12:08

I think that was the meeting where John Surtees had his one and only outing on a works BMW

Edited by Rennmax, 17 June 2010 - 12:17.


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Posted 18 June 2010 - 12:27

I knew Fregus wrote a column for one of the comics, but didn't know he had so many strings to his bow.
http://www.classicmo...erson-on-an-ajs

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 17:52

did this bike from the Sammy Miller Museum ever race
or is it just a recreation of a period concept bike?????

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