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#8001 Rennmax

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 15:28

Why does it look like a model on a mantelpiece?


This model is also pictured in Raymond Ainscoe's ' from Milan to the Mountain' book (page 179) from 1987 with the some rotten seat back then. The petrol tank looks peculiar , a big one for the TT?

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#8002 tonyed

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 18:11

If it's been posted before my apologies.

Can you see todays whingers racing here?

Only two days ago the same? circuit.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related



#8003 Russell Burrows

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 22:44

If it's been posted before my apologies.

Can you see todays whingers racing here?

Only two days ago the same? circuit.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


Dan Shorey on another Drixton, number 68. Phil O'Brien seen fleetingly too on the full version.

#8004 bonzo

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:08

Dan Shorey on another Drixton, number 68. Phil O'Brien seen fleetingly too on the full version.

Russell,
I think you are wrong about Dan Shorey, I was in that race and knew Dan very well (still do), in the clip he is on a 350 Manx, I am quite sure he never rode a Drixton but I will check to make sure.

Cheers

B

#8005 Russell Burrows

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 13:08

Russell,
I think you are wrong about Dan Shorey, I was in that race and knew Dan very well (still do), in the clip he is on a 350 Manx, I am quite sure he never rode a Drixton but I will check to make sure.

Cheers

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Me wrong, that's not possible, is it? I thought Dan raced his Drixton in his very last season. Have to say Bonzo, doesn't look like a Manx to me.

#8006 GD66

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 13:30

I'd vote for the Aer Macchi this time. Was hoping for a further glimpse, but after the ceremony it turned into the 500 race...

#8007 Rennmax

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 14:29

I'd vote for the Aer Macchi this time. Was hoping for a further glimpse, but after the ceremony it turned into the 500 race...


'Aermacchi' is also stated in the programme

#8008 Russell Burrows

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 14:30

Russell,
I think you are wrong about Dan Shorey, I was in that race and knew Dan very well (still do), in the clip he is on a 350 Manx, I am quite sure he never rode a Drixton but I will check to make sure.

Cheers

B


How did you go in the race, bonzo ?


#8009 bonzo

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 20:41

How did you go in the race, bonzo ?

Russell,
I am not in Banbury right now but have e mailed, should have an answer over the weekend, we are talking about number 68 I hope, sure looks like Dan and his style of numbering
I finished the race ok, happy to reply to your question directly to you but don´t know how to.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:12

Russell,
I am not in Banbury right now but have e mailed, should have an answer over the weekend, we are talking about number 68 I hope, sure looks like Dan and his style of numbering
I finished the race ok, happy to reply to your question directly to you but don´t know how to.
B


I am now consuming large amounts of "humble pie"
Apologies to Russel, Rennmax etc.
here is the answer to my inquiry: " Spoke to Dan, one answer to both questions, he rode a drixton aermacchi in the 1969 350 east German grand Prix. also had a 1st on it at cadwell."


#8011 Russell Burrows

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:38

I am now consuming large amounts of "humble pie"
Apologies to Russel, Rennmax etc.
here is the answer to my inquiry: " Spoke to Dan, one answer to both questions, he rode a drixton aermacchi in the 1969 350 east German grand Prix. also had a 1st on it at cadwell."

Thanks for the info, bonzo.

#8012 Russell Burrows

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 19:03

Gentlemen, should we assume the much trailed book about the Conntinental Circus by Don Cox is never going to appear?

#8013 larryd

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 19:25

Gentlemen, should we assume the much trailed book about the Conntinental Circus by Don Cox is never going to appear?


Email from him last week.

400 pages, 300+ pictures, wth the printers in China as we speak.

Patience, Russ !!


#8014 Russell Burrows

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 19:38

Email from him last week.

400 pages, 300+ pictures, wth the printers in China as we speak.

Patience, Russ !!

Thanks, Larry, was hoping you might help. Are you not a Facebook fan?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 19:40

[quote name='larryd' date='Jul 26 2012, 20:25' post='5846014']


with the printers in China as we speak.




says a lot , doesn't it ?? :rolleyes: :well:



#8016 Stu Pidman

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 21:47

Sadly most Australian production facilities have been moved to China.
We will be left with a big hole in the ground.
Looking forward to reading it, hopefully not in Chinese.

#8017 larryd

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 22:59

Thanks, Larry, was hoping you might help. Are you not a Facebook fan?


Facebook, Russ?

Never have and never ever will . . . . .

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#8018 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 15:10

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It's not oodles of money is it. I wonder though how this worked since he must have been contracted by MV to race there pretty much regardless ?

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 15:35

A Manx was priced at 440 GBP then.... Mike started on a 125 EMC as well, amazing that his travel costs are his only point that he is worth the money.
Where have you found this gem Russ?

Edited by Rennmax, 05 August 2012 - 15:49.


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#8020 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 16:04

A Manx was priced at 440 GBP then.... Mike started on a 125 EMC as well, amazing that his travel costs are his only point that he is worth the money.
Where have you found this gem Russ?


Ferry to the Hook in the E type (I sure I remember seeing him more than once in such a Jag in '62) ? Well, either side of the ferry really. :)

Edited by Russell Burrows, 05 August 2012 - 16:24.


#8021 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 16:23

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Do we know who this is?


#8022 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 18:25

I met and chatted to Colin Seeley and his wife today. What a lovely couple. I bought his recent book 'Colin Seeley......and the rest', signed of course, and chatted about Bernie Ecclestone and Phil Read.

#8023 larryd

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 22:18

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Do we know who this is?


Another real flyer, this -- Peter Middleton ?

:confused:


#8024 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 22:24

Another real flyer, this -- Peter Middleton ?

:confused:

I like the thinking, Larry, but its not Peter.

#8025 Rennmax

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:15

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Nice one from pitlane biz

Edited by Rennmax, 06 August 2012 - 08:22.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:30

Nice shots, Renn. Is that the Ruskie four ? Was there a three fifty version? And is that Mike Duff left of the Manx with the orange frame/ fairing? Hailwood maybe wandering around in the middle of the grid immediately in front of this bloke ?

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:10

Nice shots, Renn. Is that the Ruskie four ? Was there a three fifty version? And is that Mike Duff left of the Manx with the orange frame/ fairing? Hailwood maybe wandering around in the middle of the grid immediately in front of this bloke ?


Yep, not a easy one, the pitlane biz colleagues have not identified many of the riders up to now, neither have I. The bike with the blue tank is indeed a Vostok twin, a carbon copy of the Jawa as far as i know, with rider Ukranian rider Sewasjanov. I wonder whether the rider with the orange bike is Mike Duff, can't remember him with a pudding basin helmet or onboard a Manx? Hailwood for sure. You know the year Russ?

#8028 Russell Burrows

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:25

Yep, not a easy one, the pitlane biz colleagues have not identified many of the riders up to now, neither have I. The bike with the blue tank is indeed a Vostok twin, a carbon copy of the Jawa as far as i know, with rider Ukranian rider Sewasjanov. I wonder whether the rider with the orange bike is Mike Duff, can't remember him with a pudding basin helmet or onboard a Manx? Hailwood for sure. You know the year Russ?


The MV's a four so almost certainly not later than '64. I was thinking Duff is the guy with the part red 7R seat and what appears to be a silver helmet, to Hailwood's immediate left. Didn't Reg Dearden paint his manxes Orange. I think Roy Ingram was one of his pilots. He certainly rode in GP's at the time. I think too that Duff rode only a 500 Manx in his first year in Europe, and it was good old7R's/G50's after that.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 06 August 2012 - 10:28.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:33

The MV's a four so almost certainly not later than '64. I was thinking Duff is the guy with the part red 7R seat and what appears to be a silver helmet, to Hailwood's immediate left. Didn't Reg Dearden paint his manxes Orange. I think Roy Ingram was one of his pilots. He certainly rode in GP's at the time. I think too that Duff rode only a 500 Manx in his first year in Europe, and it was good old7R's/G50's after that.


LEFT OF THE MANX :blush: , yes you are correct. It's in fact Sachsenring in 63, #67 is easy (as long as you have access to the programme :rolleyes: )

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:42

LEFT OF THE MANX :blush: , yes you are correct. It's in fact Sachsenring in 63, #67 is easy (as long as you have access to the programme :rolleyes: )


67, Eddie Lenz?


#8031 Rennmax

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:44

67, Eddie Lenz?


It's Vernon Cottle

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:30

Vittorio Corrunna with the MV ??

#8033 Rennmax

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:41

Vittorio Corrunna with the MV ??


:up:

Next to him Redman, standing (as always) on the right side of his bike and, if you look closely, a chap with a light blue helmet and red and white stripes, Gustav Havel

#8034 Russell Burrows

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:45

:up:

Next to him Redman, standing (as always) on the right side of his bike and, if you look closely, a chap with a light blue helmet and red and white stripes, Gustav Havel

At the risk of asking a silly question, are right siders left handers?

#8035 larryd

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:54

Vittorio Corrunna with the MV ??



Carrano ?

#8036 Rennmax

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 13:46

At the risk of asking a silly question, are right siders left handers?


Yes, I think so Russ. To the left of SMBH is Taveri, who did a 350 season in '63, I think he was on a CR 77 twin. The tall one wth the white jet helmet and blue stripes (#81) is Finnish rider Sulavaari. That's all I've found out I'm afraid.

Edited by Rennmax, 06 August 2012 - 13:47.


#8037 Russell Burrows

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 16:28

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No offers on this guy then?


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 16:36

Yes, I think so Russ. To the left of SMBH is Taveri, who did a 350 season in '63, I think he was on a CR 77 twin. The tall one wth the white jet helmet and blue stripes (#81) is Finnish rider Sulavaari. That's all I've found out I'm afraid.


Not bad though given the picture angle. :)


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 17:01

No offers on this guy then?


At first the face looks familiar but not associated with an AJS 7R, but, at the risk of looking a complete fool (moi?) Kevin Cass. :confused:

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#8040 Russell Burrows

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 18:03

At first the face looks familiar but not associated with an AJS 7R, but, at the risk of looking a complete fool (moi?) Kevin Cass. :confused:

See what you mean, Tony, but not Kevin.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:44

At the risk of asking a silly question, are right siders left handers?


Been involved in discussions about this before, I'm a right sider but also right handed. I was however mainly left footed in my footie days and I think this is more where the preference for the side to push start from comes from. I also feel more comfortable taking right hand bends than left handers and this seems to be a common factor amongst left footers with right footers preferring left hand bends.


#8042 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:30

Been involved in discussions about this before, I'm a right sider but also right handed. I was however mainly left footed in my footie days and I think this is more where the preference for the side to push start from comes from. I also feel more comfortable taking right hand bends than left handers and this seems to be a common factor amongst left footers with right footers preferring left hand bends.


Yes, it's strange stuff. I'm right handed and was a left side pusher but I used to play some games/sports kackhanded, it all depended if the implement in my hand touched the ground. I wonder if there are many left handed/footed speedway riders? And since most people are right handed, why do most road circuits run clockwise? And why is there only one monopolies commission?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 07 August 2012 - 13:24.


#8043 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:21

No offers on this guy then?


No idea but wasn't the Peel 'Mountain Mile' fairing a superb looker?

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:51

No idea but wasn't the Peel 'Mountain Mile' fairing a superb looker?

They were,Paul. Still being made too:
http://www.tga.co.uk...?products_id=35

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 20:09

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It's that Dick Wyler geezer again on his ex Fred Neville 7R, '63, I think.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 07:27

It's that Dick Wyler geezer again on his ex Fred Neville 7R, '63, I think.


I spoke to Dennis A and its not his old bike but thinks it is the 'Man from Interpol' (Wyler).

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:52

I spoke to Dennis A and its not his old bike but thinks it is the 'Man from Interpol' (Wyler).


Yes, Wyler it is, germanty. My understanding is that Dennis bought the G50, although perhaps not immediately, after Fred's death and Wyler the 7R, as well the buisness in Worcester Park.

Did you ever meet Fred Neville, germanty ? Good to see Dennis is still dropping in too.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 09 August 2012 - 14:01.


#8048 Russell Burrows

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:13

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Arguably at his peak, early '63, before the big crash involving Dave Downer.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 16:48

Yes, Wyler it is, germanty. My understanding is that Dennis bought the G50, although perhaps not immediately, after Fred's death and Wyler the 7R, as well the buisness in Worcester Park.

Did you ever meet Fred Neville, germanty ? Good to see Dennis is still dropping in too.


Yes I met both Fred and Dick Wyler at the Westminster racing club in Great Smith Street Nr Westminster Abbey (Frank Sheene was caretaker) and at Brands Hatch & Snetterton.

Fred was really good to talk to and much admired - we knew he was ultra quick. Dick I remember looked the film & T/V star he was with handmade fitted leathers & sun glasses and he just wanted to be part of the racing scene - nice chap.

He purchased a 'new' Honda 125 production racer and started winning a few races thanks to the help of his good mate Fred. Fun times.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 21:16

Yes I met both Fred and Dick Wyler at the Westminster racing club in Great Smith Street Nr Westminster Abbey (Frank Sheene was caretaker) and at Brands Hatch & Snetterton.

Fred was really good to talk to and much admired - we knew he was ultra quick. Dick I remember looked the film & T/V star he was with handmade fitted leathers & sun glasses and he just wanted to be part of the racing scene - nice chap.

He purchased a 'new' Honda 125 production racer and started winning a few races thanks to the help of his good mate Fred. Fun times.

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Thanks, germanty. Yes, I remember his shiny new CR93.