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#8101 GD66

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 07:00

A ripper, Russell. The Gooseneck, I'd reckon. Love the fruity roar of those old longstroke fours, after years of lusting after them on the old TT records John Surtees was kind enough to bring one out to Pukekohe Classic Festival in the late 1990s and give it a right old cranking for us. Phwoooaarrr... :drunk:

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#8102 germanty

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 07:31

Good shot, aye.
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Slow enough to see the tread on the tyres. I wonder how todays bikes would fair using a set of these? Not a whole lap methinks.

#8103 Russell Burrows

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:57

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#8104 GD66

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:20

Can't pick the pudding-basin, but the 7R pilot bears an uncanny resemblance to SMBH...

#8105 Russell Burrows

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 10:02

Can't pick the pudding-basin, but the 7R pilot bears an uncanny resemblance to SMBH...


He does, Glenn. How's about the bike, look familiar?

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:02

He does, Glenn. How's about the bike, look familiar?


Not S.M.B.H. Not your old bike Russell?

#8107 Russell Burrows

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:31

Not S.M.B.H. Not your old bike Russell?


No, not mine, germanty. Good story though: it's Hailwood's 7R sometime in '62. The pilot is Tom McCarthy who bought the bike in 1960. He says he saw it advertised in MCN, went down to Kings in Oxford with his Goldie as his trade in, and became the new owner of what I think must be the great man's '59 model 7R.
http://www.vintagebi...r/#.UECjukQU7Ww

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#8108 GD66

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 12:50

A good yarn, mate. What about the chin ! Easily miscalled as a doppelganger...

#8109 Russell Burrows

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 13:51

A good yarn, mate. What about the chin ! Easily miscalled as a doppelganger...


Absolute. Did you notice the flattened megga and no Oldani - maybe a bit early for that ?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 31 August 2012 - 14:03.


#8110 Russell Burrows

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 21:49

Mk 3, I think. I rekon that's Martyn Ashwood sitting in the back of the van? I have a nagging feeling this may have been up before? If so, Apologies.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 18:48

Mk 3, I think. I rekon that's Martyn Ashwood sitting in the back of the van? I have a nagging feeling this may have been up before? If so, Apologies.
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I think the ginger hair mechanic use to always help Charlie Sanby The bike is a 350 have no idea who the rider is with his back to the camera.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 23:34

I think the ginger hair mechanic use to always help Charlie Sanby The bike is a 350 have no idea who the rider is with his back to the camera.

peter


Your right about Sanby mechanic Peter, here he is a couple of years a go presenting Lea Gourlay with Charlie Sanby Trophy.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 23:47

Your right about Sanby mechanic Peter, here he is a couple of years a go presenting Lea Gourlay with Charlie Sanby Trophy.

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Oh. For some reason I thought this was Dave Croxford... :|

Before my time of course... :p

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:48

Oh. For some reason I thought this was Dave Croxford... :|

Before my time of course... :p



Well I thought it was Cris Conn must be the eye getting old .
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:43

Your right about Sanby mechanic Peter, here he is a couple of years a go presenting Lea Gourlay with Charlie Sanby Trophy.

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Thats Wally Maisey (i think thats his name) I know this as he presented the Sanby trophy to me in 1994 at Lydden, the first time it was awarded!
Thats definately Martin Ashwood by the back of the van.

#8116 Russell Burrows

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:32

Haven't seen a better shot of 60's racing for a while.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:45

Haven't seen a better shot of 60's racing for a while.
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:up: , what a great piccie , Russ , looks like the Mint , Crashford , Ray Pick and Tom Phillips ?? :wave:


#8118 Russell Burrows

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 20:03

:up: , what a great piccie , Russ , looks like the Mint , Crashford , Ray Pick and Tom Phillips ?? :wave:


Yes Phil, imported from the other place ;) Phillips is on Vic Camp's Ducati and seems to be riding his nuts off to stay with them.. I never seen Croxford on a Macchi either....at least that's what it looks like.


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Posted 18 September 2012 - 20:14

Yes Phil, imported from the other place ;) Phillips is on Vic Camp's Ducati and seems to be riding his nuts off to stay with them.. I never seen Croxford on a Macchi either....at least that's what it looks like.



yes , I thought the same about him , must delve through some progs ....................looks like the Mint is on the Seeley , so 1966 ??


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#8120 GD66

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:05

I think Pickrell is on the Monard. The thin stripe on the fairing, clearly and correctly applied on the basis that you can only see one side at a time... :lol:

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:15

I think Pickrell is on the Monard. The thin stripe on the fairing, clearly and correctly applied on the basis that you can only see one side at a time... :lol:


They're on 350's, Glenn - Ray's on his own Manx.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 19 September 2012 - 09:15.


#8122 GD66

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:51

Roger that. Agreed it's the first time I've seen Croxford on a Macchi as well.

#8123 Russell Burrows

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:45

You a Facebook refusenik too, Glenn?

#8124 GD66

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 21:25

So far. As for twitter... :rolleyes: does the rest of the world really care if I farted ?

What corner is that : Gerards Bend ?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 21:31

So far. As for twitter... :rolleyes: does the rest of the world really care if I farted ?



:lol: :up: :wave:


#8126 Russell Burrows

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 21:55

So far. As for twitter... :rolleyes: does the rest of the world really care if I farted ?

What corner is that : Gerards Bend ?


Yeah, I don't get twitter at all. It's Castle Coombe whose corner names I'm a bit vague on.


#8127 Stu Pidman

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:15

I thought Twitter was aptly named.
Still do.

#8128 Russell Burrows

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 17:47

yes , I thought the same about him , must delve through some progs ....................looks like the Mint is on the Seeley , so 1966 ??

Sorry Phil, missed your last question - yes, think it's around '66. Slightly odd look to the Seeley fairing though ?


#8129 Paul Collins

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 21:43

I thought Twitter was aptly named.
Still do.



Classic quote I heard recently from someone, "if I want to follow someone i'll do it in a raincoat at night" :rotfl:

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 22:49

Classic quote I heard recently from someone, "if I want to follow someone i'll do it in a raincoat at night" :rotfl:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :up:

Classic one, Paul!

It'd make a good sig for a racer!

#8131 Russell Burrows

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 19:11

Thought this was a nice shot. Phil Heath's shiny new mid fifties 7R and his Mrs. Weren't dogs banned from circuits?
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 00:25

All beautiful.
I can't remember dogs ever being mentioned, it seems, in my muddled mind, to be a fairly recent restriction.
But I could be wrong (again).
Perhaps like "when all else fails read the instructions."

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 00:56

All beautiful.
I can't remember dogs ever being mentioned, it seems, in my muddled mind, to be a fairly recent restriction.
But I could be wrong (again).
Perhaps like "when all else fails read the instructions."


I seem to remember Owen Greenwood used to have an old dog with him at race meetings .
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:48

Well used, aye.
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:52

Hi Russ, pic taken at the Austrian GP (non championship event then) taking place on the Salzburg autobahn circuit in '66 (Rupert Hollaus memorial)
Possibly the very bike Bob Heath now owns

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 09:34

Hi Russ, pic taken at the Austrian GP (non championship event then) taking place on the Salzburg autobahn circuit in '66 (Rupert Hollaus memorial)
Possibly the very bike Bob Heath now owns


Hi Renn. So the 350 wasn't a six until the following year? Heath has a four also?


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 09:46

Hi Renn. So the 350 wasn't a six until the following year? Heath has a four also?


Yep, the RC 173 of '66 was a four

http://www.vf750fd.c...ekaas/1966.html

The pic above shows Bob's bike and here he warms it up
http://www.gaskrank....r-hond-5053.htm

Edited by Rennmax, 23 September 2012 - 09:48.


#8138 Russell Burrows

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 09:57

Yep, the RC 173 of '66 was a four

http://www.vf750fd.c...ekaas/1966.html

The pic above shows Bob's bike and here he warms it up
http://www.gaskrank....r-hond-5053.htm


I had either forgotten or never knew this, Renn. Thanks for the info. The 250 though was a six running concurrently?


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 10:14

I had either forgotten or never knew this, Renn. Thanks for the info. The 250 though was a six running concurrently?


So it was, being the base for the 297 cc RC 174 a year later

Coming back to your pic showing Mike in Salzburg and taking into account that it was a non championship race early in the season, the battered looking bike could be a RC 172 from the '65 season of course...the missing reverse cones of the exhaust pipes makes it quite likely. So I'm contradicting my first statement :rolleyes:

Edited by Rennmax, 23 September 2012 - 10:47.


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 11:04

Thought this was a nice shot. Phil Heath's shiny new mid fifties 7R and his Mrs. Weren't dogs banned from circuits?
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I love these old Brit wagons they used for transporters back then. I can't help wondering though how they coped with climbing over the various mountain passes .... ?

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 12:07

Hi Russ, pic taken at the Austrian GP (non championship event then) taking place on the Salzburg autobahn circuit in '66 (Rupert Hollaus memorial)
Possibly the very bike Bob Heath now owns

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Am I right in thinking that when Mr Visor man bought it , for quite a tidy sum , it had no moving bits in the motor , which was known at the time ??


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 13:01

Am I right in thinking that when Mr Visor man bought it , for quite a tidy sum , it had no moving bits in the motor , which was known at the time ??


You are right Phil. Some more information here

http://www.justauto....fe-4b31d50a1a30

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:26

I love these old Brit wagons they used for transporters back then. I can't help wondering though how they coped with climbing over the various mountain passes .... ?


Seeing these old transporters brought back memories of having got stuck on the wrong side of a tunnel when high in the Dolomites. We had hired an oversized campervan in Munich and had to turn it around on the big drop side of the mountain cos the rear end was too long to clear the rocks on the other side. Every time the 'Italian Job' comes on telly I begin to feel a bit nervous. Trundling up and over the passes - cos I don't think the road tunnels were there until the 60's - in a 1940's Bedford furniture van laden with bikes might have been eventful too.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 14:10

This was posted in error earlier today. I watched it and thought it was pretty enthralling, even though they have too many wheels.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 24 September 2012 - 14:13.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 15:17

This was posted in error earlier today. I watched it and thought it was pretty enthralling, even though they have too many wheels.


A year later Ken Kavanagh competed in a few Formula 1 GPs in a Maserati 250 F. As far as I know, he had to stop after the Belgian GP after a massive engine blow up in practice and possibly with not enough means to carry on?

Edited by Rennmax, 24 September 2012 - 15:39.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 16:06

A year later Ken Kavanagh competed in a few Formula 1 GPs in a Maserati 250 F. As far as I know, he had to stop after the Belgian GP after a massive engine blow up in practice and possibly with not enough means to carry on?


That does sound familiar, Renn. Maybe more to do with what he was prepared to spend rather than what he had ? Hope so. The film tells us it's a stinking hot day but this doesn't dissuade Mike Hawthorn from turning up at the circuit in his jacket, bow tie and puffing on his pipe :)

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 17:09

That does sound familiar, Renn. Maybe more to do with what he was prepared to spend rather than what he had ? Hope so. The film tells us it's a stinking hot day but this doesn't dissuade Mike Hawthorn from turning up at the circuit in his jacket, bow tie and puffing on his pipe :)


Very British indeed :up: . Bob Anderson must have been one of the last privateers competing in Formula 1, he came from a wealthy family as far as I know. Paddy Driver took part in a Lotus 72 in a Formula 1 GP as late as '74 by the way

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 21:21

A year later Ken Kavanagh competed in a few Formula 1 GPs in a Maserati 250 F. As far as I know, he had to stop after the Belgian GP after a massive engine blow up in practice and possibly with not enough means to carry on?



He had a big shunt at Goodwood in the Glover Trophy in 1959 and never raced again. Kept the car until 1964.
Keith Campbell also drove a 250F in 1958 in the Glover Trophy and the Aintree 200, and practiced for the Monaco GP.


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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:17

That does sound familiar, Renn. Maybe more to do with what he was prepared to spend rather than what he had ? Hope so. The film tells us it's a stinking hot day but this doesn't dissuade Mike Hawthorn from turning up at the circuit in his jacket, bow tie and puffing on his pipe :)


Mike Hawthorn was quite a good motor cycle trials rider apparently .
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 21:22

All beautiful.
I can't remember dogs ever being mentioned, it seems, in my muddled mind, to be a fairly recent restriction.
But I could be wrong (again).
Perhaps like "when all else fails read the instructions."

I seem to remember Owen Greenwood used to have an old dog with him at race meetings .
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I checked gents: :rolleyes: back in the day most British meetings banned them completely, with some allowing them if on a lead. Dunno about Continental Europe. Not a problem in Australia though.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 25 September 2012 - 22:08.