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#8151 Russell Burrows

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 21:07

Time for another of my flyers, Russ!

Solitude?

500s -- Don't recognise 10, but I think that No 12 is Tony Woodman and No 30 Sid Mizen from the IOM.

Incidentally, Don Cox's book exists, and is on its way to Europe as I speak!

Check Dennis Quinlan's site for a review -- Google "Velobanjogent"


Hello, Larry, not a bad punt at all coz it is Tony Woodman. Variously described as a Yank and a Canadian(I thought he was from BC Canada), wasn't he the guy that a young Barry Sheene took off with as a spannerman just about the time of this shot, 65? It's not Solitude though, nor is it Sid Mizen. Thanks for the info on the book.

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#8152 larryd

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 22:58

Hello, Larry, not a bad punt at all coz it is Tony Woodman. Variously described as a Yank and a Canadian(I thought he was from BC Canada), wasn't he the guy that a young Barry Sheene took off with as a spannerman just about the time of this shot, 65? It's not Solitude though, nor is it Sid Mizen. Thanks for the info on the book.


Liefering at Salzburg, Austria, Russ, and it is 1965.

Early May that race ran, and Woodman then went to our part of the world to ride in the North West 200.

At the start of the third lap of the 350, while leading (just!) he misjudged the braking going down to Henry's Corner on Portstewart promenade. He was lucky not to go into the harbour, but suffered serious spinal injury which left him in a wheelchair.

He was American, from Far Hills, New Jersey, but I never heard the Sheene story. The poor lad didn't have a long enough European career to need a spannerman . . . . .

Back to the photo - is No 10 Eddie Lenz?

And could 30 be Bill Smith??

Edited by larryd, 27 September 2012 - 23:03.


#8153 Bernard

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 23:55

As a sad aside I wrote to Tony Woodman after the crash via MCN and he wrote back a lovely letter in which he mentioned his younger
brother who accompanied him to Europe.Subsequently many years later I found he wrote a blog on the internet and this entry was particularly poignant

February 26, 2010 at 4:10 am

I did get this, Douglas, but as I live at the opposite ends of the earth it takes a long time for your sun to get back to me here.

Extraordinary that you should have stumbled on this site, probably the only place in the world where a motorcyclist has a place on Parnassus. Tony Woodman has often featured in posts here — perhaps most intimately in this one.

He died in September 2006 here in Chiang Mai — I can see the huge tree from my desk under which he was burnt in an open coffin surrounded by monks and villagers. His ashes now lie in Stockbridge, Massachusettes in the family plot beside his mother. Perhaps today they are covered in snow.

Thank you for having been his friend too — impossible guy, unforgettable.

Christopher

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 00:06

Tony and his brother

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#8155 larryd

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 00:18

As a sad aside I wrote to Tony Woodman after the crash via MCN and he wrote back a lovely letter in which he mentioned his younger
brother who accompanied him to Europe.Subsequently many years later I found he wrote a blog on the internet and this entry was particularly poignant

February 26, 2010 at 4:10 am

I did get this, Douglas, but as I live at the opposite ends of the earth it takes a long time for your sun to get back to me here.

Extraordinary that you should have stumbled on this site, probably the only place in the world where a motorcyclist has a place on Parnassus. Tony Woodman has often featured in posts here — perhaps most intimately in this one.

He died in September 2006 here in Chiang Mai — I can see the huge tree from my desk under which he was burnt in an open coffin surrounded by monks and villagers. His ashes now lie in Stockbridge, Massachusettes in the family plot beside his mother. Perhaps today they are covered in snow.

Thank you for having been his friend too — impossible guy, unforgettable.

Christopher


Thank you Bernard - that is very moving.

Rest in peace, Tony.


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Posted 28 September 2012 - 06:44

, wasn't he the guy that a young Barry Sheene took off with as a spannerman just about the time of this shot, 65?



Wasn't it Lewis Young ?


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Posted 28 September 2012 - 07:20

Liefering at Salzburg, Austria, Russ, and it is 1965.

Early May that race ran, and Woodman then went to our part of the world to ride in the North West 200.

At the start of the third lap of the 350, while leading (just!) he misjudged the braking going down to Henry's Corner on Portstewart promenade. He was lucky not to go into the harbour, but suffered serious spinal injury which left him in a wheelchair.

He was American, from Far Hills, New Jersey, but I never heard the Sheene story. The poor lad didn't have a long enough European career to need a spannerman . . . . .

Back to the photo - is No 10 Eddie Lenz?

And could 30 be Bill Smith??


Ah yes, Larry, after digging around I see I confused him with Canadian, Tony Wildman, who I think was also a 7R/G50 pilot, but came to Europe a little earlier. You're right to mention Eddie Lenz, but he's number 30. 10 is Rudi Thalhammer. And Yes, Saltzburg. You're not bad, mate. Glenn seems to be confirming the Sheene story, which is good because I was wondering if I had imagined this.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 28 September 2012 - 07:40.


#8158 Russell Burrows

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 07:23

As a sad aside I wrote to Tony Woodman after the crash via MCN and he wrote back a lovely letter in which he mentioned his younger
brother who accompanied him to Europe.Subsequently many years later I found he wrote a blog on the internet and this entry was particularly poignant

February 26, 2010 at 4:10 am

I did get this, Douglas, but as I live at the opposite ends of the earth it takes a long time for your sun to get back to me here.

Extraordinary that you should have stumbled on this site, probably the only place in the world where a motorcyclist has a place on Parnassus. Tony Woodman has often featured in posts here — perhaps most intimately in this one.

He died in September 2006 here in Chiang Mai — I can see the huge tree from my desk under which he was burnt in an open coffin surrounded by monks and villagers. His ashes now lie in Stockbridge, Massachusettes in the family plot beside his mother. Perhaps today they are covered in snow.

Thank you for having been his friend too — impossible guy, unforgettable.

Christopher

Thanks, Bernard.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 07:27

Wasn't it Lewis Young ?


I'm not sure now. Something's telling me it was a Yank/Canadian...Dave Wildman ? For Dave read Tony :rolleyes: No, as you were, the guy's name was Dave. :blush:
According to a dreadful book on Sheene by Stuart Barker it was Tony Woodman. Just to be clear: Barry acted as Tony's mechanic in Europe for a month or so in 1964, aged 14.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 28 September 2012 - 10:42.


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#8160 Bernard

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 08:40

I'm not sure now. Something's telling me it was a Yank/Canadian...Dave Wildman ? For Dave read Tony :rolleyes: No, as you were, the guy's name was Dave. :blush:
According to a dreadful book on Sheene by Stuart Barker it was Tony Woodman.



Dave Wildman

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#8161 larryd

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 09:49

Dave Wildman

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 13:12

[quote name='Russell Burrows' post='5943689' date='Sep 28 2012, 14:48']Time for a quickie?

Bergamonti in Modena??

Edited by Rennmax, 18 November 2012 - 17:52.


#8163 Russell Burrows

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 13:22

Not Anglelo, Renn. I can see why you might think so though. :smoking:

#8164 Russell Burrows

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 18:49

Renzo P ??

Not Paso, Larry.

#8165 Robin127

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 22:18

Pagani?


#8166 Russell Burrows

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:19

Pagani?


Not Pagani, Robin.


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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:42

Not Pagani, Robin.


John Hempleman?

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:45

[quote name='Russell Burrows' post='5944555' date='Sep 28 2012, 19:29']Here's the same guy out front:

Hi Russ, #12 is Karl Hoppe I guess, according to the helmet design #14 must be a Austrian SMBH fan (Stengl?), any hint for #10 (bike looks like Findlay's McIntyre Matchless?)

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 09:26

John Hempleman?


Not John, germanty.


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Posted 29 September 2012 - 09:38

Hi Russ, #12 is Karl Hoppe I guess, according to the helmet design #14 must be a Austrian SMBH fan (Stengl?), any hint for #10 (bike looks like Findlay's McIntyre Matchless?)


Yes, Renn, It's Karl on his G50. Hints on number 10: crankcase bolts; a previous photograph.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 12:10

The missing name is Rudi Thalhammer. In the cobblestoned left hander shot, he's on his Manx being chased by the Norton of Gyorgy Kurucz (Czech?)and Hoppe, G50, Saltzburg, '66. It's the same bike as in the '65 picture that includes Tony Woodman. In the Aermacchi shot, Rudi's at an Austrian airfield circuit, again in '66. Not the easiest, I know...particularly since no one's on his best form due to lack of practice.;)

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 14:59

The missing name is Rudi Thalhammer. In the cobblestoned left hander shot, he's on his Manx being chased by the Norton of Gyorgy Kurucz (Czech?)and Hoppe, G50, Saltzburg, '66. It's the same bike as in the '65 picture that includes Tony Woodman. In the Aermacchi shot, Rudi's at an Austrian airfield circuit, again in '66. Not the easiest, I know...particularly since no one's on his best form due to lack of practice.;)


Just to make myself feel a little better, the cobbled lefthander is the Liefering, Salzburg, again, and Gyorgy Kurucz was Hungarian.

:)


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Posted 29 September 2012 - 16:47

Ja, das ist richtig. Yes, I recall the crash hat, peel etc. I did check, Renn, he did later campaign a Macchi.


No doubt about it Russ :)

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 22:44

Rudi rode one of the first Domiracers and if you write to him and send your regards he may well send you one of his Calendars that he did for me

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:17

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I heard today that four-time world champ and 25-time Grand Prix winner Hugh Anderson is close to releasing his biography.

The man has incredible recall and I can't wait to read his always-interesting viewpoint from the inside of the heyday of Grand Prix.

Bike in the pic is the magnificent RT65 he took to New Zealand in January 1965 and mixed it with the best of the 500 Manxes. Awesome !

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:34

Looks like I'll be joining a queue at Hampton Downs in a couple of weeks to get my copy signed :cool:

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 17:37

Those two 'big' photos.....fantastic!!! :up:

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:03

Well used, aye.
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Another well-hammered works bike : Jim Redman rode the 1963/64 off-season in New Zealand, bringing a 250 four and a 305 twin. Occasionally John Hempleman rode whichever bike Jim wasn't using. Pics from the Totara Street, Mount Maunganui circuit in January 1964, by Murray Hill.

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I don't know why the 250 is carrying 500 disc colours, except it's possible the bike had arrived ex-South Africa, having been caned mercilessly there...

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#8179 Russell Burrows

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:19

Nice shots. Were you there, Glenn ?


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:40

Nice shots. Were you there, Glenn ?



I wish ! Mum wouldn't let me go alone (I was nine) so had to stand at the front fence and listen to the wail of the mighty four waxing and waning on the wind across the harbour. When Jim was out here in 2003 I reminded him of this tour, and he recalled it with pleasure, and signed a couple of good b&w pics for me that I still can't find, grrrr :mad:

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 00:14

Apologies to those who may have read this elsewhere.

It's a wet miserable Saturday here, but the day suddenly brightened with a thud. That was the sound of the box containing Don Cox's much-awaited "Circus Life" landing at the front door.

First off, it's a hefty tome, all 6.5kgs of it (so that's my carry-on luggage allowance shot to pieces as I head north to the Barry Sheene event at Hampton Downs next weekend). It is an absolutely beautifully presented publication of 479 pages, containing illustrations, tables, and colour and mono pics, many I certainly have never previously seen.

I've only had a quick hour-long "glance" but already I've come across some fascinating insights into the characters of, and scene that was, the Continental Circus. As you would expect from Don, his research is lengthy and meticulous. Within the chapters there are some wonderful sidebars, each adding to the colour of an event or rider.

OK, I'll own up, Don's long been a good friend and I much admire his writing. I know just how much he has sweated, toiled and sacrificed to get this book published. It is a wonderful tribute to those who raced or were part of the Circus, and to Don's tenacity and his love of motorcycling history.

Heck, you don't even have to be an Australian to enjoy it. Do yourselves a favour and treat yourself to an early Christmas pressie. It's retailling for $125 here in NZ (plus postage), but here's an email address for prices in your part of the world circuslifebook@gmail.com

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#8182 GD66

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:53

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Good call Peter, mine arrived a few days back and I, too, was alerted to its' arrival by a heavy thud outside the front door. 3kg, 330 mm high and 250mm wide, so a genuine coffee table book, and beware reading it in bed at night, if it drops on your head you'll get hurt !
There's a brief review on Dennis Quinlan's velobanjogent.blogspot.com . Many of the pics I haven't seen before, but the real feature is the prolific sharing of tales from the time by many interviewees. Eric Hinton stayed at our place in NZ one night before Bay Park when he and Rob were over there in 1970 (accompanied by a youthful, corpulent and very nervous mechanic Mick Smith), so when chatting to Eric a couple of years back at the Phillip Island Classic, and marvelling once again at his incredible recall, I mentioned he should really get all this mine of fascinating yarns down in print. Eric drily mumbled that Don Cox had something under way...another masterpiece of understatement ! It's a ripper, but any who have read either of Don's two previous efforts will need no further convincing.

As Peter has outlined, if you email Don he will happily calculate postage to your part of the globe.

Edited by GD66, 13 October 2012 - 03:56.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 13:53


Salzburg Liefering 66
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Adolf Ohligschläger, Dan Shorey, Kel Carruthers, Bo Granath, Eddie Lenz ??

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:10

Salzburg Liefering 66
l to r
Adolf Ohligschläger, Dan Shorey, Kel Carruthers, Bo Granath, Eddie Lenz ??

You might have humoured me, Renn. Not Eddie Lenz though, and I'll take your word on the Bulatco rider. Also, how sure are you of Granath ? I though maybe Bo or Agne Carlsson? Bo's on fb so we can ask him. Carruthers' first year in Europe. I like how his fork drain screws are taped, this being mandatory in Australia.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 13 October 2012 - 14:20.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:26

You might have humoured me, Renn. Not Eddie Lenz though, and I'll take you word on the Bulatco rider. Also, how sure are you of Granath ? I though maybe Bo or Agne Carlsson? Bo's on fb so we can ask him. Carruthers' first year in Europe. I like how his fork drain screws are taped, this being mandatory in Australia.


Hi Russ, not sure at all, but his cheap looking goggles make me inclined to think so

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:34

Hi Russ, not sure at all, but his cheap looking goggles make me inclined to think so

http://www.imatranaj...es/bogran70.jpg


Don't say that, I've invited him over for a gander ;) I'm not at all sure either. Bo has an interesting story about leaping off a blazing 7R during his first Island visit.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 13 October 2012 - 14:51.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:48

Don't say that, I've invited him over for a gander ;) I'm not at all sure either. Bo has an interesting story about leaping of a blazing 7R during his first Island visit.


I remember him mostly riding the Husqvarna twin ( 2 cylinders of the moto cross engine on a common crankcase), packed in a Seeley frame

Still # 79 left (though the helmet looks somehow familiar :rolleyes: )

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#8188 Russell Burrows

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 15:14

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Good call Peter, mine arrived a few days back and I, too, was alerted to its' arrival by a heavy thud outside the front door. 3kg, 330 mm high and 250mm wide, so a genuine coffee table book, and beware reading it in bed at night, if it drops on your head you'll get hurt !
There's a brief review on Dennis Quinlan's velobanjogent.blogspot.com . Many of the pics I haven't seen before, but the real feature is the prolific sharing of tales from the time by many interviewees. Eric Hinton stayed at our place in NZ one night before Bay Park when he and Rob were over there in 1970 (accompanied by a youthful, corpulent and very nervous mechanic Mick Smith), so when chatting to Eric a couple of years back at the Phillip Island Classic, and marvelling once again at his incredible recall, I mentioned he should really get all this mine of fascinating yarns down in print. Eric drily mumbled that Don Cox had something under way...another masterpiece of understatement ! It's a ripper, but any who have read either of Don's two previous efforts will need no further convincing.

As Peter has outlined, if you email Don he will happily calculate postage to your part of the globe.


Excellent Xmas pressie: heavy hints coming the memsaab's way

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 15:16

I remember him mostly riding the Husqvarna twin ( 2 cylinders of the moto cross engine on a common crankcase), packed in a Seeley frame

Still # 79 left (though the helmet looks somehow familiar :rolleyes: )

Yes, Renn ?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 09:15

Bo has confirmed that the 7R pilot is indeed him. Number 79 is our Hungarian mate, Gyorgy Kurucz. Have to say he looks very racey in the shots I've seen of him. I can only vaguely recall his name from back then. I wonder if anyone knows anything about him and whether he's still around ?

A bit of quick Googling shows that Gyorgy won the Austian GP in '64 ahead of Paddy Driver and Roland Foll. He also won several of his home GP's before they were officaly sanctioned etc.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 14 October 2012 - 10:04.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:26

Bo has confirmed that the 7R pilot is indeed him. Number 79 is our Hungarian mate, Gyorgy Kurucz. Have to say he looks very racey in the shots I've seen of him. I can only vaguely recall his name from back then. I wonder if anyone knows anything about him and whether he's still around ?

A bit of quick Googling shows that Gyorgy won the Austian GP in '64 ahead of Paddy Driver and Roland Foll. He also won several of his home GP's before they were officaly sanctioned etc.


Oh no, not again :blush: I never associate Eastern bloc riders of this period with western machinery, wonder how they manged to get hold of currency to buy them or were they bought by state-owned sporting clubs?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 15:28

Oh no, not again :blush: I never associate Eastern bloc riders of this period with western machinery, wonder how they manged to get hold of currency to buy them or were they bought by state-owned sporting clubs?

Yes, Renn, I agree, a genuinely interesting question.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:33


One of the brilliant shots from the Keith Bryen collection:
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I think it's Keith and ginger haired Gordon Laing on the far left and Bob Brown 3rd from right. Can anyone id the other chaps? Thanks

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:52

One of the brilliant shots from the Keith Bryen collection:

I think it's Keith and ginger haired Gordon Laing on the far left and Bob Brown 3rd from right. Can anyone id the other chaps? Thanks


Is the little bloke Sid Willis ? Perhaps McAlpine on Bob Brown's right?

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:03

One of the brilliant shots from the Keith Bryen collection:
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I think it's Keith and ginger haired Gordon Laing on the far left and Bob Brown 3rd from right. Can anyone id the other chaps? Thanks


I would say that is Allen Burt on Bob Browns left Bill Lawrence

#8196 Russell Burrows

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 08:45

I would say that is Allen Burt on Bob Browns left Bill Lawrence


In the grey checked shirt? I think you might be right, Bill.


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:18

Pic is in the Don Cox book. Caption reads :

Bob Mitchell horses around, watched by Keith Bryen, Pip Harris, Eddie Grant, Allen Burt, Bob Brown, Barry Hodgkinson and Fred Campbell.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 10:26

Pic is in the Don Cox book. Caption reads :

Bob Mitchell horses around, watched by Keith Bryen, Pip Harris, Eddie Grant, Allen Burt, Bob Brown, Barry Hodgkinson and Fred Campbell.


Thanks, Glenn.


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 11:42

Pic is in the Don Cox book. Caption reads :

Bob Mitchell horses around, watched by Keith Bryen, Pip Harris, Eddie Grant, Allen Burt, Bob Brown, Barry Hodgkinson and Fred Campbell.


Thanks :wave:

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 11:50

Joe with his sleeves rolled up in action.

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