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#8401 picblanc

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 22:06

Just a guess Russell, but he is the only Watsonian rider that comes to mind, time for some googling!? ;)

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#8402 picblanc

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 22:08

Looks like it is?

https://www.google.c...v...536&bih=676



#8403 Rennmax

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:08


Without being too pedantic.....I think it's from '54, there is a comparable picture of this race in Stan Dibben's biography, a good read by the way.

#8404 Russell Burrows

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:34

Without being too pedantic.....I think it's from '54, there is a comparable picture of this race in Stan Dibben's biography, a good read by the way.

It's Stan then in the chair, Renn ? In case anyone is unaware, Stan's on FB.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:56

It's Stan then in the chair, Renn ? In case anyone is unaware, Stan's on FB.


Hi Russ, Les Nutt was Oliver's passenger, that's correct. Stan was with Cyril Smith, in fact Silverstone 54 was his first race with his future father-in-law

Edit on a sad note

http://www.thenorthe...agic_race_star/


Edited by Rennmax, 30 December 2012 - 11:04.


#8406 Russell Burrows

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 19:52

At the moment I have a very nice NZ Sauvignon Blanc clapsed to my mitt, and since I post mostly here, it seems the appropriate place to wish you all a safe and happy new year. Cheers, gents.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 20:35

At the moment I have a very nice NZ Sauvignon Blanc clapsed to my mitt, and since I post mostly here, it seems the appropriate place to wish you all a safe and happy new year. Cheers, gents.


And the very best to you and yours for the New Year.

#8408 SgtPepperoni

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 20:38

At the moment I have a very nice NZ Sauvignon Blanc clapsed to my mitt, and since I post mostly here, it seems the appropriate place to wish you all a safe and happy new year. Cheers, gents.

And the same to you Russell, as well as all the other members. Happy new year. :clap:

#8409 fil2.8

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 20:44

At the moment I have a very nice NZ Sauvignon Blanc clapsed to my mitt, and since I post mostly here, it seems the appropriate place to wish you all a safe and happy new year. Cheers, gents.


I wish you the very same , Russ , and will be un-corking a bottle very shortly .......................... :up: , well , it would be rude not to


#8410 Bernard

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 21:27

Yes Happy New Year to everyone,especially Russell and raise a glass as I do every year to a man called Mike



#8411 Rennmax

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 07:42

Happy new year gents :wave: :kiss:

Edit: And happy birthday to Luton boy!

Edited by Rennmax, 01 January 2013 - 07:45.


#8412 Classicpics

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 14:12

Hi Russ, Les Nutt was Oliver's passenger, that's correct. Stan was with Cyril Smith, in fact Silverstone 54 was his first race with his future father-in-law

Edit on a sad note

http://www.thenorthe...agic_race_star/



Page 46 of Stan's very good book gives the answer.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 15:22

Edit on a sad note

http://www.thenorthe...agic_race_star/

Damn, that is sad. Poor fellow. So glad his daughter put things straight and honored him as he deserved.

Edited by SgtPepperoni, 01 January 2013 - 15:23.


#8414 GD66

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:02

The same dodgy circuit in its beautiful surroundings, '64; Esso Gunnarson on his Manx, 85, and a 7R with a tatty Beart like appearance, but who is the Aussie with the Manx ? I don't know and, assuming nobody else knows for sure, I wondered if your mate Tom Gill could ID him, Glenn? It might though be a tad early for Tom ? I was thinking Jack Saunders but perhaps too early for him as well? Ritchie Thompson, maybe? The 7R pilot looks a lot like Fred Stevens too.....
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Still nothing...Dick Thompson finished up at the end of 1958...there was another Aussie bloke over there who scored 500 points during 1964 called Ray Shaw, maybe it's him ?

#8415 Bernard

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:08

Still nothing...Dick Thompson finished up at the end of 1958...there was another Aussie bloke over there who scored 500 points during 1964 called Ray Shaw, maybe it's him ?

Yes could be..David Dixon wrote an article in Motor Cycle I recall on the Continental Circus and Ray Shaw featured in that ..does the machine look like a G50 as he was on 7R/G50 I believe

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:50

Yes could be..David Dixon wrote an article in Motor Cycle I recall on the Continental Circus and Ray Shaw featured in that ..does the machine look like a G50 as he was on 7R/G50 I believe


Sorry its definitely not David D who I know well !

#8417 GD66

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:12

Ray Shaw scored 500 points in 1964 on a Manx, but that doesn't preclude him also riding a 7R, that was quite a popular combo in those times.

Germ, Bernard has identified David D as the writer of the article, not the rider.  ;)

#8418 Russell Burrows

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:11

Ray Shaw scored 500 points in 1964 on a Manx, but that doesn't preclude him also riding a 7R, that was quite a popular combo in those times.

Germ, Bernard has identified David D as the writer of the article, not the rider. ;)

I can't find him, Glenn. Yeah, alright, I know it's Wikki... ;)
http://en.wikipedia....e_racing_season

#8419 GD66

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:54

Sorry, :blush: not points (only top six in those days) but top-ten finishes...

http://racingmemo.fr...ents_64-500.htm

Edited by GD66, 02 January 2013 - 12:55.


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#8420 Russell Burrows

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 13:37

Sorry its definitely not David D who I know well !


Hi germanty, I wonder if DD would have a gander and adjudicate?


#8421 Russell Burrows

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 13:49

Yes could be..David Dixon wrote an article in Motor Cycle I recall on the Continental Circus and Ray Shaw featured in that ..does the machine look like a G50 as he was on 7R/G50 I believe

Ray Shaw scored 500 points in 1964 on a Manx, but that doesn't preclude him also riding a 7R, that was quite a popular combo in those times.


Our man is on a 350 Manx, gents.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 14:23

Could still be Ron Robinson as the fairing of his 350 Norton I can remember,black and very similar to the pic he told me bits of his Manx were from different years but for the life of me I cannot recall if he had a pudding basin or a Bell type helmet in the IOM

#8423 Russell Burrows

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 14:35

Could still be Ron Robinson as the fairing of his 350 Norton I can remember,black and very similar to the pic he told me bits of his Manx were from different years but for the life of me I cannot recall if he had a pudding basin or a Bell type helmet in the IOM

I think you've got the right bloke, Bernard.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 14:36

Think I might be near, this is the pdf programme for the 1964 Austrian Grand Prix on May Day (always was) and 97 is Ron Robinson in the 350 class

http://www.technisch.../articleid/2449

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 14:47

Think I might be near, this is the pdf programme for the 1964 Austrian Grand Prix on May Day (always was) and 97 is Ron Robinson in the 350 class

http://www.technisch.../articleid/2449


:clap: :clap: , Russ !!

#8426 Russell Burrows

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 14:47

Think I might be near, this is the pdf programme for the 1964 Austrian Grand Prix on May Day (always was) and 97 is Ron Robinson in the 350 class

http://www.technisch.../articleid/2449

Bloody hell, I didn't notice that the programme could be viwed like that, which is pretty astounding cos I've looked at this site no end of times. :blush: :blush: :blush: I even dropped into the museum when I was in Vienna before Xmas and they let me into their archive :blush: I can't though find number 97, Bernard ?

And still I'm screwing up.... I was looking at the programme, where he isn't listed, rather than the results. Apologies again, chaps.

Thanks for sorting this for us, Bernard.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 02 January 2013 - 15:00.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 15:04

Bloody hell, I didn't notice that the programme could be viwed like that, which is pretty astounding cos I've looked at this site no end of times. :blush: :blush: :blush: I even dropped into the museum when I was in Vienna before Xmas and they let me into their archive :blush: I can't though find number 97, Bernard ?

And still I'm screwing up.... I was looking at the programme, where he isn't listed, rather than the results. Apologies again, chaps.

Thanks for sorting this for us, Bernard.



http://www.pejer.com...tos3parttwo.htm shows its Ron Robinson

#8428 Russell Burrows

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 15:15

http://www.pejer.com...tos3parttwo.htm shows its Ron Robinson


Thanks, germanty. The woman in the museum told me people email in to identify the riders.... 'from Sweeden and all over'. We're not alone then in not first checking out the programmes/ results sheets. :blush:

Edited by Russell Burrows, 02 January 2013 - 15:19.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 15:48

Thanks, germanty. The woman in the museum told me people email in to identify the riders.... 'from Sweeden and all over'. We're not alone then in not first checking out the programmes/ results sheets. :blush:



... and now we have the confirmation that #10 is Fred Stevens indeed :clap:

#8430 Bernard

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 15:50

And hereis the man himself

http://www.technisch.../articleid/1904

#8431 Russell Burrows

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 15:59

And hereis the man himself

http://www.technisch.../articleid/1904

I've given you five stars, Bernard. :clap:

#8432 Russell Burrows

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 16:11

... and now we have the confirmation that #10 is Fred Stevens indeed :clap:

:up:

#8433 Bernard

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 16:20

Thanks Russell,I was so much older then I am younger than that now.......

#8434 GD66

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 23:26

I've given you five stars, Bernard. :clap:



Gotta love TNF ! Nice detective work, chaps. :clap:


#8435 Russell Burrows

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:29

I like this. A nice long lens?
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#8436 Classicpics

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:07

I like this. A nice long lens?
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What a beautiful shot, a very stylish young Mike.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 23:35

What a beautiful shot, a very stylish young Mike.



Reminds me of that awesome Nick Loudon pic of Chris Amon's Ferrari at Old Hall Corner, Oulton Park : can't beat getting in close. These days the photographer would be in a fluoro vest, behind a chainlink fence, beyond a gravel trap, and possibly in a scaffold. Safe, but lacks the white-knuckle atmosphere depicted by the Hailwood pic. Geoff Goddard effort, you reckon ?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:57

I like this. A nice long lens?
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A lovely shot - the front wheel just seems to be a fraction leftward pointing compared to the body langauage of the rest of the bike and Mike - some drift here ,or am I imagining it..?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 13:36

A lovely shot - the front wheel just seems to be a fraction leftward pointing compared to the body langauage of the rest of the bike and Mike - some drift here ,or am I imagining it..?

A touch of high-speed opposite lock I think, Barry. Could it be Woodcote perchance?

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 00:37

:clap:

A lovely shot - the front wheel just seems to be a fraction leftward pointing compared to the body langauage of the rest of the bike and Mike - some drift here ,or am I imagining it..?

As per any of the greats (and in easier/later days a lot of the best) why would it not be anything but opposite lock?

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 17:40

Gerards Mallory Park? Croxford leading with Hailwood #1 not sure on #24, but is that Ken Redfern on the outside?

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 18:22

Gerards Mallory Park? Croxford leading with Hailwood #1 not sure on #24, but is that Ken Redfern on the outside?

24 Malcom Uphill?

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 18:38

Yes, Chaps, Croxford, Uphill, Hailwood and Redfern at what must be Gerrards '69. If I designed an imaginary circuit consisting of bits of the World's race tracks, Gerrards would definitely be included, the haripin too, I think; Paddock at Brands; the Norwich straight; the Cork Screw at Laguna and erm, the entire Nurburgring.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 19:16

Yes, Chaps, Croxford, Uphill, Hailwood and Redfern at what must be Gerrards '69. If I designed an imaginary circuit consisting of bits of the World's race tracks, Gerrards would definitely be included, the haripin too, I think; Paddock at Brands; the Norwich straight; the Cork Screw at Laguna and erm, the entire Nurburgring.


Good idea that, your perfect circuit made up from bits of others, or if you cannot make that up how about your 6 favourite sections.
A quick one of the top of my head......Eau rouge, Spa.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 19:31

Original (circa 60's/70's) Woodcote Silverstone.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 19:56

Yes - Race of the year '69. Redfern's finest (half) hour, when he beat all and sundry to take second behind, I think, Agostini? I was there spectating (at Gerrards) as a seventeen year old, and the prospect of Mike on a 500 Seeley fired everyone up. Unfortunately the great man was underpowerd on the banger and finished 5th, if memory serves. The big story though was the relatively unknown Redfern on his home-build 750 Atlas (with its slimline featherbead roadster frame) who I remember finished way ahead of the third-placed man whoever it was, and I swear he was drifting that thing around Gerrards :eek:! Uphill was riding a 700 Triumph-Weslake Metisse and finished fourth I think. In those days of course, the Race of the Year was just that - the most prestigious race (bar the TT) on the UK calender! So big up for Redfern :up: !

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 20:52

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I liked it just as it was!

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 23:30

Good idea that, your perfect circuit made up from bits of others, or if you cannot make that up how about your 6 favourite sections.
A quick one of the top of my head......Eau rouge, Spa.


Absolute. Maybe some of the mountain section at Bathurst too.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 23:33

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I liked it just as it was!


Yes, they've stuffed it good and proper with those effing chicanes.

Minter chasing a second placed Lewis Young in your shot, John. Looks like Dennis Ainsworth in sixth spot. Must be '63? Jim Cripps behind Minter?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 05 January 2013 - 23:36.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 00:10

What about second and third?
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Peter Williams of course - followed by Charlie Sanby, dont know who's behind him, but looks to me like Derek Chatterton bringing up the rear (although it could be Ago?).