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#8801 graham houlihan

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 23:07

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Not a bad shot?


Mr GIVI luggage carriers nowadays - Giuseppe Visenzi


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#8802 RC162

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:53

Is that for your mate's replica ? The front is a conventional 9" Fontana, pics of the rear disc are very thin on the ground but I will have a look through some old mags.
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How's that project going, by the way ?


Yes she's up and running. Goes and handles well and Gibbo is having a real good time riding it. This picture is from the British Historic Racing meeting at Cadwell late last year. We were doing some parade laps over the weekend and it does what it says on the tin. He would like to ride at Gedinne and there is an issue with the rear disc but if he can show evidence for the period, such as Percy's bike, then they will allow him to run it in period 1 so any pictures showing the brakes on that bike would help.

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#8803 GD66

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:14

Good to hear, son. So far all pics found have had the drum rear...but as I've just moved house, there's still plenty to look through.

Quite a wrench, actually, had to throw out thousands of mags, hundreds of video tapes, all the LPs, all the audio tapes, all the trophies. Pretty much a roomful of stuff. Looked like an episode of one of those terrifying American hoarders shows... :rolleyes:

Is that a Hunt brake on the front ? The lower lever looks to have more mechanical advantage than the upper one.

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#8804 Russell Burrows

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:06

Mr GIVI luggage carriers nowadays - Giuseppe Visenzi

Thanks, Graham, had not a clue.

#8805 Russell Burrows

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:36

Have to say I've never heard of this lady, love to meet her though :


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#8806 RC162

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 18:38

Is that a Hunt brake on the front ? The lower lever looks to have more mechanical advantage than the upper one.


It's a Grimeca. I think the lever issue is a photo one as they have the same centers.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 21:25

there is an issue with the rear disc but if he can show evidence for the period, such as Percy's bike, then they will allow him to run it in period 1 so any pictures showing the brakes on that bike would help.



Like this one ? :wave:

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It's a personal pic by Alain Daigne from a thread in the french pit-lane.biz forum , link to the thread in question :
http://www.pit-lane....ance-au-tt-1969

#8808 RC162

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:38

Like this one ? :wave:

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It's a personal pic by Alain Daigne from a thread in the french pit-lane.biz forum , link to the thread in question :
http://www.pit-lane....ance-au-tt-1969


That's the one Philippe. If possible it would be good to find one with its clothes on. Many thanks. Nice stand under the bike. Is that a Sprayson frame ?


#8809 GD66

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:42

Rob North effort, isn't it ? Had an idea he did this before starting on the triples.

The twin pipes on the right date back to 1969 I think.

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#8810 RC162

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 17:24

Rob North effort, isn't it ? Had an idea he did this before starting on the triples.

The twin pipes on the right date back to 1969 I think.


Yes the picture with the tank and seat off is from the '69 TT. To the best of my knowledge the picture below is of the bike built by Triumph using the first frame from Rob North. It has the classic loop at the back of the gearbox but the seat rails run straight under the tank to the headstock. It was reported that the bike weaved badly at speed and the frame ended being cut up. His next effort was of the type on Gibbo's bike and this frame could be the one he has as Triumph then shelved the 500 and asked Rob North if he could make a frame for the 750 triple and this was a variation of the 500 frame. Rob North has confirmed that Gibbo's frame was made by him but he cannot remember if he made more of them.

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#8811 GD66

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 21:48

Great stuff. When I went out last night I immediately started thinking about that Sprayson frame, you're onto it. In all variations, that's a sweet little racer, they must have had a lot of fun with it.
Wonder if it ever got measured ? I know bloody well if I was working in the Triumph race shop I'd have had a set of Bonnie hi-comp pistons into it quick-smart....that gives you around 540cc...or so I've heard... :cool:

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#8812 Russell Burrows

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 14:56

Too easy for a www?
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#8813 larryd

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 17:44

Too easy for a www?
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Not that easy, Russ.

Is it the '63 Senior?

If so, 7 is Lutonboy, and I was at the Creg, waiting for the noise to start!!


#8814 Russell Burrows

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 23:00

Not that easy, Russ.

Is it the '63 Senior?

If so, 7 is Lutonboy, and I was at the Creg, waiting for the noise to start!!

Yes, Larry, Phil on the Gilera with Alan Shepherd alongside on Kirby's G50. Ahead is Hailwood and Duff. I think that's Hartle front left with Geoff Duke standing at rear of the bike talking to Murray Walker ? (It was a larger pic when I first saw it) I was still at school but so wishing I could have been there.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 13:49

Yes, Larry, Phil on the Gilera with Alan Shepherd alongside on Kirby's G50. Ahead is Hailwood and Duff. I think that's Hartle front left with Geoff Duke standing at rear of the bike talking to Murray Walker ? (It was a larger pic when I first saw it) I was still at school but so wishing I could have been there.


I was at Hillberry.

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#8816 Russell Burrows

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 15:14

Probably worth a read:
http://ericsdailydia...as-changed.html

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 17:25

Probably worth a read:
http://ericsdailydia...as-changed.html

More than probably Russ. Thanks mate, that was superb.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 19:33

More than probably Russ. Thanks mate, that was superb.



""Ollie on the Manx Norton riding the Curva Grande at Monaco in the Italian Grand Prix""

Thats new for me (lol)

#8819 Robin127

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 21:59

""Ollie on the Manx Norton riding the Curva Grande at Monaco in the Italian Grand Prix""

Thats new for me (lol)


It's a veeeery long corner.

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#8820 germanty

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:13

Probably worth a read:
http://ericsdailydia...as-changed.html


Thanks Russell a great read. I still have a pair of Reg Cross racing boots - quite basic by todays standards.
He operated from Louth in Lincs (near Cadwell Park) and I thought a lot of the riders used him for their leathers etc

#8821 7okai

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:10

Probably worth a read:
http://ericsdailydia...as-changed.html

I remember staying at Hanover for a few weeks while they all went away. I don't recall having too many toys back then, but the Bedford van probably was a bit of a disaster in the back. I remember everything being unpacked and re loaded for the trip to Finland. I also remember the Bedford being de-"Bed" ed and becoming a "Ford". Something to do with the Carnet and other paperwork for the trip.

Terribly sad to hear about Ollies wife Bobby passing away, I think I had a 7 year old boy crush on her at the time.

Would not trade the memories for anything.

#8822 Tonka

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 20:51

Probably worth a read:
http://ericsdailydia...as-changed.html


"I reckoned to fall off about three times year," Ollie says. Valentino Rossi suffered a personal record of 12 crashes in 2011 on his Ducati Desmosedici in MotoGP, but normally falls only four or five times per season. The Czech MotoGP rider Karel Abraham lobbed it an incredible 22 times last year, the Brit newcomer Cal
Crutchlow went down 12 times, and even world champion Casey Stoner stepped off on seven occasions.



He couldn't afford to fall off more than 3 times a year - but he probably took part in 10 times the number of races that anyone does now.





#8823 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 14:36

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 14:54

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Hi , Russ :wave: , with Dave Degens in the chair , i'll ponder the pilot  ;)


#8825 Russell Burrows

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 17:57

Hi , Russ :wave: , with Dave Degens in the chair , i'll ponder the pilot ;)

Hello, Phi. I'm not certain but think it's Mike Fiddeman of outfit building fame.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 22:02

Hello, Phi. I'm not certain but think it's Mike Fiddeman of outfit building fame.





And I think that is a good shout , Russ :up:


#8827 germanty

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 17:19

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Russ Heres one familiar face at the Palace.

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and another at Anerley Ramp.

#8828 Russell Burrows

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 20:54

Russ Heres one familiar face at the Palace.
and another at Anerley Ramp.

Thanks for these, germanty - erm.... fraid I don't know who it is :blush:

Sorry thought they were the same bloke. Is the 7R pilot Mike O'Rourke ? ... Or maybe Laurence Flurry ?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 12 July 2013 - 20:59.


#8829 germanty

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:09

Thanks for these, germanty - erm.... fraid I don't know who it is :blush:

Sorry thought they were the same bloke. Is the 7R pilot Mike O'Rourke ? ... Or maybe Laurence Flurry ?


Russ the G45 outfit is driven by Terry Folwell and the solo by Geoff Murphy. Both good local racers.

#8830 Russell Burrows

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:11

Russ the G45 outfit is driven by Terry Folwell and the solo by Geoff Murphy. Both good local racers.

Ah, fell at the first hurdle.... Didn't Murphy later abandon the Brit singles for a TSS Bulseizo ?

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 17:41

One for Mr B

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#8832 germanty

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:49

Ah, fell at the first hurdle.... Didn't Murphy later abandon the Brit singles for a TSS Bulseizo ?

I am unsure about Murphy Russ!
Heres another 'Palace' shot from 1958! Any idea as to who no 67 is?
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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:21

One for Mr B

Lovely, jubbly, original looking nick too. Must be about 1955 vintage ? Thanks for whacking it up, Herr.

Edited by Russell Burrows, 17 July 2013 - 09:22.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:50

I am unsure about Murphy Russ!
Heres another 'Palace' shot from 1958! Any idea as to who no 67 is?
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Thanks german - nice shot of the wiggly bits before South Tower Turn. Fraid I can't ID the 7R rider...although Norman Surtees' name did pop into my head....maybe a bit early for him.

That reminds me, I have a memory of finding a reference in an old mag from around '60/'61 which reported Norman's entry for the TT had been withdrawn, but rather than the man himself being quoted in the piece as to why he had made the decision, it was big brother's thoughts on the issue that were recorded; John was reported as claiming the races were too challenging for Norman. Fascinating, aye. Didn't someone a while back tell us that Norman fetched up in Western Australia ?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 17 July 2013 - 09:51.


#8835 germanty

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 10:26

Thanks german - nice shot of the wiggly bits before South Tower Turn. Fraid I can't ID the 7R rider...although Norman Surtees' name did pop into my head....maybe a bit early for him.

That reminds me, I have a memory of finding a reference in an old mag from around '60/'61 which reported Norman's entry for the TT had been withdrawn, but rather than the man himself being quoted in the piece as to why he had made the decision, it was big brother's thoughts on the issue that were recorded; John was reported as claiming the races were too challenging for Norman. Fascinating, aye. Didn't someone a while back tell us that Norman fetched up in Western Australia ?


Its Laury Flury a useful rider at Brands Hatch too - gave Derek M a run for his money once or twice.

I remember Norman Surtees on an Aer Machi machine at Snetterton only because he had the fastest van going at that time and coming back home from that event I was doing 70mph (honest officer) and he came by me in his 10cwt Ford Thames at another 20 or 30 mph on his way back to West Wickham in Kent where his Bro had a shop.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 22:32

Lovely, jubbly, original looking nick too. Must be about 1955 vintage ? Thanks for whacking it up, Herr.


1954 Mr B.Original owner Florian Camathias. Been in the same family since '55

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#8837 GD66

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:30

Didn't someone a while back tell us that Norman fetched up in Western Australia



Still here I think. He was flogging caravans for a while as a mate of mine did some refits for him. I gather John and he aren't all that close.


#8838 Russell Burrows

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 13:49

Still here I think. He was flogging caravans for a while as a mate of mine did some refits for him. I gather John and he aren't all that close.

http://www.vintagebi...s/#.UefxV1MU7w4

Had a convo in my cab once with a dude who said he was one of John's spannermen with the car racing outfit. Apparently he ran a tight ship, knowing pretty much where every can of beans were stashed in the transporter.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 13:58

Its Laury Flury a useful rider at Brands Hatch too - gave Derek M a run for his money once or twice.

I remember Norman Surtees on an Aer Machi machine at Snetterton only because he had the fastest van going at that time and coming back home from that event I was doing 70mph (honest officer) and he came by me in his 10cwt Ford Thames at another 20 or 30 mph on his way back to West Wickham in Kent where his Bro had a shop.

I can recall watching Norman on the Macchi from the other side of the fence. My memory is that he invariably had the then latest equipment but it just didn't happen for him for him did it..... I'm struggling to remember what prompted him to stop racing. Any idea, germanty? And was he genuinely quick ?

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#8840 Richard Wood

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 15:07

I can recall watching Norman on the Macchi from the other side of the fence. My memory is that he invariably had the then latest equipment but it just didn't happen for him for him did it..... I'm struggling to remember what prompted him to stop racing. Any idea, germanty? And was he genuinely quick ?

Glad you're still looking in Russell. Things have been a bit slow on here of late & I miss it, particularly www photos in this topic.
Cheers
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Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:47

Still here I think. He was flogging caravans for a while as a mate of mine did some refits for him. I gather John and he aren't all that close.

Yes Glen my brother in law met him when he was looking at caravan to buy about ten years ago .I remember when John Surtees was the subject of a This is your life program Norman was'nt there with the family I thought it was a bit strange at the time .I remember Norman on a 250 Aermacchi and Fred Hadly on a REG at Brands Hatch top race went over the line together I think Norman won .
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#8842 GD66

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:01

Just had a quick poke around, his business is Caravanland in Beckenham, set up with his wife Pat in 1990, site now occupies 3 and a half acres and his three sons work there as well as 30 staff. So he's done ok.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:30

Just had a quick poke around, his business is Caravanland in Beckenham, set up with his wife Pat in 1990, site now occupies 3 and a half acres and his three sons work there as well as 30 staff. So he's done ok.

Good for him Bill Lawrence

#8844 germanty

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:28

I can recall watching Norman on the Macchi from the other side of the fence. My memory is that he invariably had the then latest equipment but it just didn't happen for him for him did it..... I'm struggling to remember what prompted him to stop racing. Any idea, germanty? And was he genuinely quick ?


He is shown in a Brands Hatch program on the 9/7/1961 in 'good company'. It doesnt show where he finished unfortunately but he must have been quick.
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Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:41

He is shown in a Brands Hatch program on the 9/7/1961 in 'good company'. It doesnt show where he finished unfortunately but he must have been quick.

On the ex Hailwood desmo twin ? As you know, Fred Neville also rode one for John - maybe he had a couple of them. Chris Conn on a Ariel....

Thanks, germanty.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:48

Glad you're still looking in Russell. Things have been a bit slow on here of late & I miss it, particularly www photos in this topic.
Cheers
R

Hi Richard, thanks - good to see you're around too.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 22:29

He is shown in a Brands Hatch program on the 9/7/1961 in 'good company'. It doesnt show where he finished unfortunately but he must have been quick.
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Wow Vitasun, a tablet that does the same job as sun cream!

I take it they didn't work as I've never heard of them?

#8848 exclubracer

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 23:39

They only work in the IoM Paul :p ;)

#8849 germanty

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 07:34

On the ex Hailwood desmo twin ? As you know, Fred Neville also rode one for John - maybe he had a couple of them. Chris Conn on a Ariel....

Thanks, germanty.


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If you could just 'bottle' that noise....

#8850 Russell Burrows

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 07:48

If you could just 'bottle' that noise....

Yeah, particularly the second one ;) Taveri chasing Hempleman ?