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#51 picblanc

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 17:29

Yes Barry your 100% right found a photo in a book about racing at Crystal palace showing Graham Sharpe with small white cross on helmet. Definately not Tony Godfrey. : I will stick with my era! :o

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 19:29

yup that was a very silly answer of mine,it cant have been godfrey,he was out of racing a long time before that photo,(GOING TO STAND IN THE CORNER FOR AN HOUR NOW)

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 20:20

we are both a couple of dunces!! :o me for suggesting it and you for going along with it :rolleyes:

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 20:55

the real tony godfrey.

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 21:30

Oooohh!! that Tony Godfrey :rolleyes:

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 23:51

Originally posted by knickerbrook
I notice a substitute road-going gearbox there, with something strange going on gear-lever/linkeage wise. Maybe a conversion to left-footed operation? (but can't see a brake pedal if that is the case?).

Nope! The gearbox seen on the Manx today is a 5-speed unit made by the Swedish engineer Torsten Arrgård in the early 60's (probably just after the crash at Nürburgring in 1962, as he was the one who restored it after the crash), with a "squirrel wheel" gear change mechanism preventing jumping gears. As per Mr. Arrgård himself, he made four of this type; for Gary Hocking, Derek Minter, "Esso" Gunnarsson and one more unfortunately not to be remembered.
After the crash at Nürburgring, the destroyed Peel fairing was replaced by a Bill Jakeman version, still being with the bike today. See attached picture from Spa-Francorchamps 2004, where I rode the Manx myself.
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Posted 11 November 2006 - 11:27

What a great picture, can anyone identify the Gilera and rider for me please.
Thanks Paul

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 15:43

Originally posted by pppdrive
What a great picture, can anyone identify the Gilera and rider for me please.
Thanks Paul

Easy. That's my father on his Gilera Saturno Piuma. One out of two Saturnos raced by the factory and fitted with dustbin fairing. It was sold to the Swedish rider Kuno Johansson early 1956. He won the Finnish GP that year, his first outing with this machine.

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 15:57

Thanks for the info and I will email you with a request.

Paul

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#60 knickerbrook

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 20:22

Hi jonas,
Thanks for clarifying the gearbox on that Manx! I have some "Motor Cycling" racer tests from 1965 and 1966 stating that Torsten Arrgard 5-speed conversions (in AMC shells) were fitted to both Tom Kirby's 7R and John Cooper's 500 Manx, so his work must have been highly regarded!

Hi renzo and picblanc,
re. the Tony Godfrey booby - don't feel bad guys!! I'm pretty OK between 1966 and 1972, because I did a lot of spectating as a teenager with "train-spotting anorakism", but show me anything after 1980 and I am totally useless! I guess we all have our specialist periods, which is why this forum so interesting.

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 21:09

Originally posted by renzo
ok,this is the oldest one i have,it's brands hatch around 1967?.
i can spot phil read,bill ivy,griff jenkins,derek minter,john blanchard etc.

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Found another name and confirmed in mortons archive, (well there isnt anything on telly!!) no 25 is John Taylor.

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 21:59

Yes - I remember the name, and he was often mistaken for Ron Chandler. Anyone know the guy standing behind the barrier? :lol:

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 22:18

ok i remember the helmet of the one above 12 and behind 3,i recon it's martin carney.

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 23:25

Hi Dennis,
I can't see the helmet design too clearly to judge, but Blanchard's and Carney's helmets were very similar weren't they? I only remember Carney riding Bultacos, but he may have rode 500's earlier in his career, I dunno. Have you got anymore photos from this period? I had a great programme collection from 1965 to 1971 that would have been very useful here, but like an idiot I went and sold them two years ago! (I have kept all the later ones from my races though!).

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 23:39

i seem to remember that martins helmet had sort of dancing figures around the rim,this is blanchards helmet.
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Posted 11 November 2006 - 23:42

I dont think its Martin Carney he had a checker pattern round rim of helmet, just had a look on mortons again, something in back of mind says Ron Wittich? not sure if spelt correctly

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 23:46

Martin Carney

http://www.mortonsar...mageID=nnc16t23

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 23:49

yup maybe,but anyhooo this is good fun in't it :p .

by the way did i mention i worked for arthur wheeler for a year in 1967?,i got the sack when i drove a lambretta through his main plate glass window :rotfl: .
god he was a miserable old bugger!

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 08:46

Hello :clap: Very good thread, interesting reading , good pictures, good tips (just looked at mortonsarchive) thanks for sharing guys. Having left my MC interest a bit behind for some years , I still remember nearly every name that pops up!
Regards, Bjørn

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 10:26

Originally posted by renzo
[i got the sack when i drove a lambretta through his main plate glass window :rotfl: .
god he was a miserable old bugger! [/B]

I wonder why?!! :lol: :lol:

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 11:34

:wave: Still looking for transporters and paddock pictures ! In the book Motocourse 50 years of Moto Grand Prix p.38/39 is a wonderfull colour shot showing J.Hartles "camp" in 1956 Dutch GP. On the left is a bigger van/bus syaing ????eap Garage,??nterbury. Whose?
Regards Bjørn

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 12:24

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
left is a bigger van/bus syaing ????eap Garage,??nterbury. Whose?
Regards Bjørn [/B]


Canterbury? Minter was from just outside Canterbury, Sturry? my old boss used to live next door to him.! Didnt Derek do a few GP, Dutch would of been one?
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Posted 12 November 2006 - 12:43

Wincheap Garage, Canterbury. But Derek Minter was sponsored by Hallets of Canterbury, and still lives in the same bungalow in Blean outside Canterbury. I think he must have given up even parading his old Manx Nortons after a serious and unexplained crash at Castle Combe(?) a few of years ago. There were rumours of a mild heart attack or stroke. The 'King of Brands' (rather than 'The Mint') was always a hero of mine.

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 12:51

You are right, Derek used to regularly race in the Dutch TT and Belgian GP events but almost no other GPs. Money was not so plentiful then and he still drove his haulage truck every day to pay the bills.

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 14:04

:clap: Thanks guys , so you mean the Bedford saying Eric W. Bowers "John Hartle" is what it says and the other which is Wincheap Garage Canterbury is Derek Minter?
Bjørn

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 08:17

Found some web sites which could be of inerest to you?
solitude-memorial.de
classic-motorrad.de
eggersdorf.info
motorcycle.com
mikethebike.com

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 23:38

Just been downloading some (whisper this, car race pics) and come across this, is the bloke in the natty strides Stuart Graham? He raced a big Camaro at the time so I think it could be him, its Brands 1974.

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Posted 16 November 2006 - 09:45

:smoking: Hi, am I right that there is not very much litterature (books) around in these years? If not , suggestions will be welcome!
I have the "Continental Circus" as well as "Motocourse 50 years...", but thats about it! I know there are some biographys on the top drivers and history of most bikes. But if I want racing I dont buy a history of production with a few chapters on racing! See? Also storys to all the well known tuners from Britain would be nice. Anything?
Regards Bjørn

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Posted 16 November 2006 - 14:52

Help needed! Go to ytransporter(thread) post650
Regards Bjørn

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Posted 16 November 2006 - 14:52

without the y of course! Silly me!

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 14:40

Hi, I am looking for logos from this period , especially the "oval" Gilera. Any hints of sites where to find?

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 15:23

Hi Bjorn,

I have emailed you all the Gilera logos I currently have
Paul

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 18:24

Bjorn

If you want to read books about the 50s and 60s, please consider these - and there are lots of websites selling cheaper secondhand copies too -

1. BILL IVY- NO TIME TO LOSE by Alan Peck (ISBN 1-899870-21-0) *

2. MIKE - THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MIKE HAILWOOD by Ted Macauley (ISBN 0-907675-22-0) ***

3. RACING ALL MY LIFE by Derek Minter (pre-ISBN numbers) ***

4. MAKE HASTE, SLOWLY by Michelle Ann Duff (ISBN 0-9685706-0-7) *****

There are others but that should keep you going for a while.

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 18:25

Bjorn,

I'm not sure what happened there. I've replied to a post of yours but it's clearly not this one. Damn!

Paul

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 21:55

Talked earlier about m/c racing at RAF Biggin Hill, look what I found surfing round :-

http://www.progcover...igginhill59.jpg

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 22:00

And this from the Double Five MCC site





The R.A.F were the landlords of the Saltbox field and it was to them that we were indebted for its use. Our contact with them led to us becoming more ambitious with thoughts of extending our activities to motorcycle road racing on the aerodrome. This was quite an undertaking for a club with only moderate resources. Once the request was made to the R.A.F. they were surprisingly helpful. We met the appropriate officer at the control tower and he indicated that we could have the use of the perimeter track and that part of the main runway that lay behind Leaves Green. For those of you familiar with the area, that is roughly from the Kings Arms to the Crown pub. The entrance to the circuit was to be Milking Lane which pre-war went from the Kings Arms to Downe village via a section of Downe Golf Course. This lane became a dead end when the airfield extension was made.

With the help of a couple of our road racing members and in particular Gerry Seward (who four years later was to be tragically killed at Mallory Park) we decided on the layout of the course using the perimeter track and a few hundred yards of the main runway. Here we worked out a chicane, which on the day was to be composed of a multitude of yellow painted oil drums.

The usual formalities followed by applying to the ACU for inspection and approval of the prepared circuit. Angus Herbert, a well known and successful grass track and road racer of the pre-war and post-war periods, inspected the mile of tarmac and concrete. He gave us some helpful safety hints and advising the use of truckfulls of straw bales etc. One unexpected snag proved to be with insurance, because of the flying club at the other end of the drome. The ACU insisted that no racing could take place unless we could persuade them not to fly. However a compromise was reached and the flying club made an early take off and went to the continent!!

With official permission obtained, ensured that the hard work started. Our advertising in the various motorcycling journals attracted marshals, some of whom became members. Bill Knight (who still is a member) became a tower of strength in the years to come. A date in June was first applied for, to be followed by an August one. Subsequently we managed to get a third date in October, which enabled us to balance the books. Publishing the Regs and entry forms brought some surprising and very encouraging results. Names such as A. Minter, P. Read, W. Boddice and Ginger Payne promised some interesting racing and hopefully a good turnout of spectators.

The hardest part was yet to follow. The grass surrounding the perimeter track had been allowed to grow to produce a hay crop. This was to be cut, we hoped, before the first meeting. This was done at the last moment and we literally had to follow the tractor and collect the bales, which we then hired instead of straw bales. A last minute problem was driving the stakes into the deep layer of ballast on which the grass was growing. However we just managed it and the first meeting took place, I believe, on the 21st June 1959.

Our thanks go to all the racers, they provided some good entertainment and proved to be reasonably safe. I can only remember one fairly major injury and that was to Frank Perrin who broke his collarbone. The ambulances were kept far busier at our scrambles meetings. Although we managed to run three meetings, the Leaves Green residents soon put paid to our running any further meetings the following year. It seems they preferred the sounds of friendly yet hostile aero-engines. The club had not only gained some prestige and experience, but also some more rope, a few hundred yards of chestnut fencing and hundreds of plastic lampshades. I also regained the use of my dining room, which had been my office for the past six months.

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 09:02

:wave: Still searching for paddock pictures and others I have been googling , but not finding much, neither on the "good old" tuners like :
Tom Kirby , Reg Kirby , Syd Lawton , R.D. , Frank Highly , Dudley/Ward , Ray Cowles , Bill Hannah ,W.Wragg Ltd. , Colin Seeley , T.Morgan , Francis Beart , Comerfords Ltd. , Nelson & Ford , Sid Mizen , Lancefield .

Does any of you know a bit of some of these , without them being around I think racing would have been much poorer !

I did find a usefull bit on Bill Smith Motors , Ray Petty and Tom Arter , but the Colin Seeley site doesnt deal with old days.

Regards Bjørn

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 09:25

Bjorn

You'll be interested to know that there was a seven page article on Colin Seeley in issue 122 of 'Classic Racer', which was an extract from a new autobiography called 'Colin Seeley - Racer'. Contact Redline Books on +44 (0) 191 230 4414. £29.95.

You are right, of course. It does seem that these tuners and team bosses have largely been forgotten. I always admired Tom Kirby bikes, always pristine and well polished but not always the quickest. There are a few books on them out there - (brains gone dead here, who was the tuner who painted his Manx Norton frames light green, there was an excellent book on him) - and I seem to recall another good book on Eric Fernihough or am I getting mixed up with another Brooklands tuner?

Wait long enough Bjorn, and there'll be books written about everybody!

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 12:29

The chap who used to paint his bikes light green was Francis Beart who has already been mentioned in this thread. He also was heavily involved with Cooper Norton cars, one of which is often out at the Goodwood Revival meetings. Don't forget Bill Lacey who tuned SMBH's bikes when Mike started out. There was also also Leighton Buzzard tuner, Syd Mullarney, famous now for his Manx four valve head as well as for having a legendary poltergeist in his workshop. Often known to throw fairings and the like off a rack on to the floor, apparently. I also remember the beautifully turned out Tom Kirby bikes finished in red and silver. Always gleaming. I remember watching Bill Ivy on these bikes ably backed up bu South African Paddy Driver.

Talking of South Africans, does anyone remember a South African sponsor/tuner who ran John Smith and Martin Watson in the mid-60s?

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 20:10

Are you referring to Doug Aldridge the specialist Manx and Bultaco tuner who helped a number of South Africans?

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 15:15

Very sad


Kent Anderson (1942 - 2006)

Swedish former grand prix road-race ace Kent Anderson has died. The 1973 and 1974 125cc World Champion achieved his global titles aboard Yamaha two-stroke twins, but it was on his own-built 250cc Husqvarna special that he first came to prominence, finishing fifth on his GP debut, in 1966, at Montjuich, Spain.

It was an even more remarkable feat when taking into account that the tall Swede had only started his road-racing career in 1964, on a selftuned Bultaco. Anderson’s second GP – the following round in 1966 to Montjuich – netted him another point for sixth, before he travelled all the way to Japan to gather another point; but significantly also to get his first glance of a Yamaha TD1 production racer.

Anderson managed to get his hands on one of these new racers for 1967, beginning a long and illustrious relationship with Yamaha – but the cost of the machine was so prohibitive Anderson could only afford to race in Scandinavia in 1967, winning the Swedish 250cc title. It was back to GPs for 1968 – with a third at the Nurburgring the season’s highlight – before a successful 1969 campaign culminated with Anderson, on a selfprepared TD2 production racer, second in the world 250cc title chase behind Kel Carruthers’ works Benelli four. During the season Anderson won two GPs.

For 1970 there were 250cc and 350cc Yamahas with third and fourth in the respective championships, then a season spent refining Yamaha’s TA125, in 1971. By 1972 the 125cc air-cooled Yamaha twin was good enough for second in the championship, improved upon in the next two seasons for Anderson to claim his brace of titles. By 1975, the little Yamaha was outpaced, though he did win his final GP victory at Paul Ricard in the season’s opener. In 1976 he quit GP racing.

A newspaper typesetter and printer by trade, Anderson raced at lesser events for several years after his GP career and latterly was a regular face at classic events, as part of Ferry Brouwer’s Historic Yamaha squad. He remains Sweden’s most successful GP racer with 18 wins. His funeral was at Landvetter Kyrka (Church of Landvbetter) on 29 September. Ferry Brouwer and other members of the Historic Yamaha team acted as coffin bearers.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 17:13

Hello Bjorn,

Your project on bygone sponsors and tuners is very interesting. They were the lifeblood of the sport of course, before big money from manufacturers came in, and deserve to be remembered. I'm sure there are lots of tales to be told! Other names that spring to mind are tuners Phil Kettle, Bill Stuart and Irishman Joe Ryan (he of the famous "Fireplace Nortons") and sponsors Charlie (?) Oakley (of Dave Croxford, Geoff Barry, etc), Brian Coleshill (of Tony Godfrey, Alan Barnett, etc). Interesting to see the name T. Morgan in your list. Is that Tony Morgan (ie. Daphne and Tony Morgan) early sponsors of my all-time hero Malcolm Uphill? Also, I have a friend who knows Ray Cowles personally and may help fill some gaps there.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 23:04

Originally posted by Henry Snee
Are you referring to Doug Aldridge the specialist Manx and Bultaco tuner who helped a number of South Africans?


Yes, that was the chap, Henry. A great sponsor of many South Africans including Kork Ballington?Does anybody remember Smith or Watson? Watson put up some fantastic performances on Bultacos in 65 and 66 as well as a 500 Manx as I remember.

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 07:57

:wave: I think this thread is getting nicely along. As to my "list" of tuners , I used to in the old days to make my own statistics on the Road Racing TT championships, from magazines , and from there I "know" some of those names!
Just found a book on the net MotoGP results 1949-2005 Guide , have asked for more info , will come back!

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 23:31

I remember Martin Watson he won the newcomers award in the 1966 250 Manx GP

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 13:49

Originally posted by pmbboy
I remember Martin Watson he won the newcomers award in the 1966 250 Manx GP


Yes, he did but also had some good results on short circuits as well. He was seventh in the 1965 ROTY on a Doug Aldridge tuned Manx and was really quick on the 250 Bultaco. He was often involved in scraps with Degens on the Royal Enfield, Minter on the Cotton, Inchley on the Villiers Special etc. Has anybody got any pictures from tha tera?

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 18:43

Is it me but I'm a bit puzzled by having two motorcycle nostalgia threads running side by side. Can't we have all the motorcycle racing stuff all in one thread, as it once was? :|

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 19:08

:smoking: OK Paul ,sorry you are puzzled. I am clear about it , I made this thread because the nostalgia thread to me dealt with 70-90 , at least I have not found anything on "my" 3 pages
that is on the 40 pages of "nostalgia"! I also do a lot on racing cars, I find them sometimes hard to find allthough there is the "search" , but a lot of members call them "funny " things which cannot be found easily and you end up with 24 pages to look through. Personly I especially is interested in this period stated at the beginning and so far I think it has proven itself. I also said it was no competition with the other , which I still look at! Think in 6months time or so !Do you really mean that 2 on 100 years of motorcycle racing is too much , when there are over 2000 on car racing?
I know car racing is bigger , but wouldnt it be nice if we got some info in the light before its too late from this period. ! And I mean this period,I think its easier when a threads title is clearer, I specified MC Racing! I think that if there were supporters it would be fine to call an older thread
"....up to 1949" and perhaps........
No offence Paul , but I think if others think its wrong , please step forward here or mail me. Before it could be deleted I would however like to get it printed!
Kind regards, Bjørn.

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 21:11

Hi Bjorn

So why would the nostalgia thread cover only 1970 to 1990? Who decided on those limits? I started the Motorcycle Racing Nostalgia thread to cover ALL motorcycle racing, whatever the year. Therefore all motorcycle racing stuff can be found in one place.

A suggestion might be as follows - (1) Motorcycle Racing - pre-1949, (2) Motorcycle Racing - 1949-1968, and (3) Motorcycle Racing - post 1969. Only a suggestion but things seem to be a bit fragmented as it is at the moment.

No, of course I don't mean 'two on 100 years of motorcycle racing is too much' - the more the merrier - but it seems a bit, err, haphazard at the moment.

Paul

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 22:46

Hi again Paul , having looked through the Nostalgia sides has not made me change my opinion,
which still is that for whatever reason it to me looks to be more from 1968 till yesterday/year.
But what I discovered was a thread I didnt know , so now we have 3 :

Pre-war motorcycle racing started by RAP 28/12 04

Motorcycle racing 1949-1968 started by Bjørn 2/11 06

Motorcycle Racing Nostalgia started by Paul 6/1 05