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#4151 Rennmax

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:29

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Attenberger/Schillinger in front of Enders/Engelhardt Assen 68... one week before their fatal crash in Spa :cry: :cry:

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#4152 RRT2

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:29

Sorry! Its not Peter Brown

#4153 RRT2

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:33

Attenberger/Schillinger in front of Enders/Engelhardt Assen 68

:up: Yes thats right :clap: Full marks Mr Rennmax :) Did Johann Attenberger cop it at Spa that same year?? :(

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:34

I should read the posts first :rolleyes: :eek:

#4155 Rennmax

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:38

:up: Yes thats right :clap: Full marks Mr Rennmax :) Did Johann Attenberger cop it at Spa that same year?? :(


Yes, just a week after this shot .. the wildest and fastest I've ever seen, including Fath....the pic captures their sheer determination

Edited by Rennmax, 10 October 2009 - 17:55.


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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:42

Reason I thought he was a Brit was a left hand chair, very unusual back in those days?
Gret photo!! :up:

#4157 Rennmax

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:46

I should read the posts first :rolleyes: :eek:


not your fault, I made an edit....

#4158 Rennmax

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:51

Reason I thought he was a Brit was a left hand chair, very unusual back in those days?
Gret photo!! :up:


Hi Graham there were a couple of Germans (Attenberger, Luthringshauser, Linnarz, Butscher) in the sixities who preferred left hand chairs, in fact Luthringshaiser and Butscher started with right hand outfits before switching afterwards...and I can't remember any Swiss with a right hand chair

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 17:58

Hi Graham there were a couple of Germans (Attenberger, Luthringshauser, Linnarz, Butscher) in the sixities who preferred left hand chairs, in fact Luthringshaiser and Butscher started with right hand outfits before switching afterwards...and I can't remember any Swiss with a right hand chair


Hi Renn, OK I change to farely unusual for a European to have a lefty :blush: :blush: :wave:

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#4160 Rennmax

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 18:11

Hi Renn, OK I change to farely unusual for a European to have a lefty :blush: :blush: :wave:


I think a good reason for a left hand chair is that most circuits are run clockwise, instantly I can only remember the old Hockenheim circuit and Barcelona being run anticlockwise, hence a lefty was a certain advantage

#4161 Rennmax

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 18:21


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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:01

Hi Graham there were a couple of Germans (Attenberger, Luthringshauser, Linnarz, Butscher) in the sixities who preferred left hand chairs, in fact Luthringshaiser and Butscher started with right hand outfits before switching afterwards...and I can't remember any Swiss with a right hand chair


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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:04

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Rub it in Renn!! :rotfl:

#4164 Rennmax

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:09

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Scheidegger on a right hand outfit :eek: :eek: give us some details please, if it's not a fake :stoned:

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:19

Scheidegger on a right hand outfit :eek: :eek: give us some details please, if it's not a fake :stoned:



Sorry Renn, look at my Avitar. :cool:




#4166 Rennmax

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:28

Sorry Renn, look at my Avitar. :cool:


:wave: well, the starting number is still a correct "4", that puzzled me ... obviously I'm from the generation that believes pics are always telling the truth (with the exception of the retouched ones from the old boys behind the iron curtain :D )

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:33

Ok gang :wave: time for some solos I feel WWW




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#4168 gmwzorro

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:38

Ok gang :wave: time for some solos I feel WWW
Paddy Driver 53 Bill Ivy 19 John Cooper 42 Rex Butcher 54 Dave Croxford 52?
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:38

Ok gang :wave: time for some solos I feel WWW




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Tony Godfrey, Bill Ivy, Derek Minter, John Cooper, Griff Jenkins, Dunno!, Rex Butcher, Dunno? Last Dunno, Dave Degens?

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:42

Mr Zorro :wave: yes :clap: yes :clap: yes :clap: yes :clap: and no :down:

#4171 fil2.8

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 19:45

Tony Godfrey, Bill Ivy, Derek Minter, John Cooper, Griff Jenkins, Dunno!, Rex Butcher, Dunno? Last Dunno, Dave Degens?


No :down: yes :clap: yes :clap yes :clap: : yes :clap: yes :clap: yes :clap:
Sorry , the ' Dunno ' twins were'nt at that meeting :lol: :rolleyes:

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:00

Ok gang :wave: time for some solos I feel WWW




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Still waiting for # 52 to be identified :p :p

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:01

Still waiting for # 52 to be identified :p :p


So am I!!

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:06

So am I!!


Think we've caught out Mr Zorro , Buster :up: :eek:  ;) ( as well as you :rolleyes: )

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:12

Think we've caught out Mr Zorro , Buster :up: :eek: ;) ( as well as you :rolleyes: )

I have got no idea :well:
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#4176 Russell Burrows

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:21

Still waiting for # 52 to be identified :p :p


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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:23

I have got no idea :well:
Gary


I'm sure Renn or Rhodie will know , plus others , so i'll let it run for a bit , but Sept 19 , 1965 , Brands :up:

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:24

Banbury Dan.


The fairground man :up: is the right answer :clap: Well done Russ , me old chum

#4179 fil2.8

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:29

Try this then men WWW not to difficult I think




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#4180 Russell Burrows

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:31

Try this then men WWW not to difficult I think




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#4181 Russell Burrows

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:36

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Graham Milton and John Flaxman among some of our German cousins.....think its the Ring about 1970.....is that George Auerbacher in front of him ?

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 20:38

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Yeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss :clap: Well done again Russ , Race of the South , 1967

#4183 gmwzorro

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 22:03

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14 Haubl & Gotz 11 Emrich & Emrich 20 Pape & Kellenberg 15 Klenk & Vell ??????????
Gary

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 22:22

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Leaders are Linnarz/Kühnemund

#4185 Russell Burrows

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 22:25

WWW?
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#4186 RRT2

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 22:29

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Good Evening :wave: Kel Carruthers 250 Benelli 4 1969. Don't know where :)

#4187 Russell Burrows

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 22:34

Good Evening :wave: Kel Carruthers 250 Benelli 4 1969. Don't know where :)


Yes...almost a full house - that dodgy Imatra circuit is the location.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 23:00

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Right then :) Franz Linnarz,Arsenius Butscher,Tony Wakefield,Sideways Sid,Heinz Luthringshauser
I admit to cheating :eek:

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 07:18

Good morning gents, RRT2 is correct, with Pip Harris (in his last season ?) in the background. 3 German left hand outfits in one pic. I think Arsenius Butscher is passengered by the late Aga Neumann, who became Ralf Engelhardt's wife. Ralf has been quite active in the classic scene on one of Klaus Enders' outfits, I think he even competed in the pre TT Billown event in the last couple of years.

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#4190 Russell Burrows

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 10:49

A nice shot of.........
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#4191 larryd

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:26

A nice shot of.........
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Robin Dawson on a 7R AJS in practice (no side number) for the 1962 Junior Manx Grand Prix, which he won.

That was the first year that streamlining was allowed in the Manx.


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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:35

Top marks Larry, Robin on Tom Kirby's 7R at Ginger Hall. Could be prcatice or perhaps a trick of the light ? I think I read that he died about six or seven years ago. I know that afte winning the Junior he cantered around to fourth in the Senior and then retired from all racing.

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:40

Here you go chaps , take the bones out of this gem WWW
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:43

Top marks Larry, Robin on Tom Kirby's 7R at Ginger Hall. Could be prcatice or perhaps a trick of the light ? I think I read that he died about six or seven years ago. I know that afte winning the Junior he cantered around to fourth in the Senior and then retired from all racing.


Don't think so, Russ - would have been black number on yellow b/ground.


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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:45

92 Keith Heckles, 17 George Buchan?

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:47

Here you go chaps , take the bones out of this gem WWW
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Hairrpin, Mallory about 65/66. The bloke mucking about on the far right could be Martin Watson on the Aldridge Norton; 17 looks not unlike Roger Hunter on his own Manx after he left Tom Kirby.....The other blokes:- dunno.

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:50

Don't think so, Russ - would have been black number on yellow b/ground.


Not white on blue?

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:55

Good morning gents, RRT2 is correct, with Pip Harris (in his last season ?) in the background. 3 German left hand outfits in one pic. I think Arsenius Butscher is passengered by the late Aga Neumann, who became Ralf Engelhardt's wife. Ralf has been quite active in the classic scene on one of Klaus Enders' outfits, I think he even competed in the pre TT Billown event in the last couple of years.


Ralf has been running the ex-Enders outfit since before I first rode in the Pre-TT at Billown in 1999 on Hans-Otto Butenuth's 500 short stroke special and, as far as I know, we'll both be out there next year, and the year after etc etc.

A few years ago, he broke the crankshaft in the ohc Rennsport engine he was using, and got a new one made.

€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ !!!

He told me that the rebuilt engine now lives safely in his workshop - the outfit now has a Dieter Busch 860cc pushrod motor in.


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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:57

Not white on blue?


Oh s**t - it was the Junior, wasn't it

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:58

Hmm - I was a bit hasty with George Buchan - unlikely to have been him at Mallory I suspect :blush: