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#1 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 17:13

Did a Surtees car win any F.1 race?
(I know the answer...;) )

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#2 Twin Window

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 17:19

Oulton Park Gold Cup 1970 and 1971.

#3 FLB

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 19:41

Might not count, but Brian Redman also drove a TS16 to victory during a historic race at Watkins Glen a couple of years ago. It was, I believe, his first victory ever in a F1 car.

#4 Tim Murray

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 19:58

Bob Evans (TS19) at Zandvoort in May 1978.

Gordon Smiley in the TS20 at Silverstone in October 1979.

Both the above races were British F1 championship rounds.

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 20:02

Weren't they known as Group 8 races?

#6 Tim Murray

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 20:07

I thought the British Championship was for G8 in 1976 and '77, but was for F1 in 1978-79-80. I may be wrong . . .

(PS: the 1978 - 1980 races are listed in Sheldon as F1 races)

#7 Vicuna

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 21:01

Did Neil Doyle ever win a race in the TS9B he converted into a F5000?

#8 David McKinney

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 21:47

Yes - Ruapuna Park Gold Star race 29/09/74
...against two Begg FM5s, a Brabham BT29 and a McLaren M4A. And nothing else
1974/75 was not one of the great seasons of New Zealand motor racing

#9 Sergio Sultani

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Posted 04 November 2006 - 00:13

I selected these wins of Surtees cars (many categories)


1. 1969
a. Campeonato Europeu de F5000
i. Dublin – 13/07 – Mondello Park – David Hoobs
ii. Noordenzee – 03/08 – Koksijde – Trevor Taylor
iii. Dunes – 10/08 – Zandvoort – Trevor Taylor
iv. Gold – 16/08 – Oulton Park – Andrea de Adamich
v. Snetterton – 01/09 – Trevor Taylor
vi. Nationen – 14/09 – Hockenheim – Trevor Taylor
b. Campeonato Norte-Americano SCCA Continental –Fórmula A
i. Mimesota I – Domybrooke 10/08 – David Hoobs
ii. Mimesota II – Domybrooke 10/08 – David Hoobs
iii. Ste. Jovite – Mont Tremblant – 07/09 - David Hoobs
iv. Thompson – 21/09 - David Hoobs
v. Sebring I – 28/12 - David Hoobs
vi. Sebring II – 28/12 - David Hoobs

2. 1970
a. Campeonato Mundial de F1 (Provas extra-oficiais)
i. Gold – Oulton Park – 22/08 – John Surtees
b. Campeonato Europeu de F5000
i. Dublin – 01/06 – Mondello Park – Trevor Taylor
c. Campeonato Sul Africano de F5000
i. Torneio Gold Star
1. False Bay 100 – Killarney – 29/08 – Jackie Pretorius
d. Campeonato Norte-Americano SCCA Continental –Fórmula A
i. Mimesota I – Domybrooke 16/08 – David Hoobs
ii. Mimesota II – Domybrooke 16/08 – David Hoobs
iii. Lime Rock – 07/09 - David Hoobs


3. 1971
a. Campeonato Mundial de F1 (Provas extra-oficiais)
i. Gold – Oulton Park – 22/08 – John Surtees

b. Campeonato Europeu de F5000
i. Mallory Park – 28/03 – Mike Hailwood
ii. International Silverstone - 08/05 – Mike Hailwood
iii. Lotteria – Monza – 20/06 – Alan Rollinson
iv. Mallory Park – 04/07 – Mike Hailwood
v. Silverstone – 14/08 – Mike Hailwood
vi. Victory Race – Brands Hatch – 24/10 - Alan Rollinson
c. Campeonato Norte-Americano SCCA Continental –Fórmula A
i. Riverside II - 25/04 – Sam Posey
ii. Mid-Ohio – Lexington – 05/07 – Sam Posey
iii. Lucerne I – Edmonton 01/08 – Sam Posey
iv. Seatle II – Kent – 07/08 – Sam Posey
d. Campeonato Sul-Africano de F1
i. Moçambique – Lourenço Marques – 18/07 – John Love

4. 1972
a. F-2000 Japonesa
i. GP de Nippon – Monti Fugi – John Surtees
b. Campeonato Europeu de F2 – Mike Hailwood campeão pilotando Surtees
i. GP de Imola – 23/07 – Imola – John Surtees
ii. Mantorp Park – 06/08 - - Mike Hailwood
iii. Salzburg - 03/09 - - Mike Hailwood
c. Torneio Brasileiro de F2
i. Interlagos 05/11 – José Carlos Pace
ii. Interlagos 12/11 - Mike Hailwood
d. Campeonato Europeu de F5000 - Gijs Van Lennep campeão pilotando Surtees
i. Snetterton – 31/03 – Gijs Van Lennep
ii. Mallory Park – 18/06 - - Steve Thompson
iii. Silverstone – 06/08 - Gijs Van Lennep
e. F-5000 de Clubes Britânicos
i. Silverstone – 30/07 – Steve Thompson
ii. Boxing Day – Mallory Park – 26/12 - Steve Thompson
f. Campeonato Sul Africano de F5000
i. Torneio Gold Star – Eddie Keizan campeão pilotando Surtees
1. Higweld 100 – Kyalami – 29/01 - Eddie Keizan
2. False Bay 100 – Killarney 26/08 - Eddie Keizan
g. Campeonato de Club Britânico de F1
i. Autumn – Goldfields – 22/04 – Eddie Keizan

5. 1973
a. F-Atlantic
i. Campeonato Britânico MCD: 12/08 – B.Hatch – Peter Wardle
b. Campeonato Europeu de F2
i. Swerige Gold – 20/05 - Kinekulle – Jochen Mass
ii. Rhein – 17/06 – Hockenheim – Jochen Mass

c. F-5000 de Clubes Britânicos
i. Campeonato BRDC
1. Croft – 15/07 – Willie Wood

6. 1974
a. Campeonato Sul Africano de F5000
i. Torneio Gold Star
1. Higweld 100 – Kyalami – 29/01 – Peter Haller
2. Coupe Sout Easter – Killarney 04/05 - Peter Haller

7. 1975
a. F-Livre com carro F-Atlantic
i. 28/09 – B.Hatch – Steve Carvill
b. F-5000 da Nova Zelândia
i. Campeonato Gold Star
1. Ruapuma – 29/09 – Neil Doyle

8. 1977
a. Campeonato de Club Britânico de F1 – Shell Sport G7 – Tony Trimmer campeão pilotando Surtees
i. Mallory Park – 22/05 – Tony Trimmer
ii. James Hunt GP – Brands Hatch – 26/06 - Tony Trimmer
iii. Oulton Park – 07/07 - Tony Trimmer
iv. Donington – 31/07 - Tony Trimmer
v. Snetterton – 02/10 - Tony Trimmer

9. 1978
a. Campeonato de Club Britânico de F1 – Shell Sport G7
i. Dunes – Zandvoort – 15/05 – Bob Evans
10. 1979
a. Fórmula Aurora
i. Silverstone – 07/10 – Gordon Smiley

11. 1995
a. F-Livre de Clubes Britânicos (F2)
i. Campeonato BOSS Série:
1. Oulton Park – 29/07 – Gerry Waimright


Best wishes,
Sergio Sultani.

#10 MCS

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 11:57

Gran Premio de la Republica Argentina, 24 January 1971 - Buenos Aires (non-championship)...

Heat One winner - Rolf Stommelen, Surtees TS7

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 12:17

Originally posted by Tim Murray
I thought the British Championship was for G8 in 1976 and '77, but was for F1 in 1978-79-80. I may be wrong . . .

(PS: the 1978 - 1980 races are listed in Sheldon as F1 races)


Spot on Tim. And the British F1 series, re-started, in 1982... though was pretty much a disaster that final year, usually only 4-5 cars entered.

#12 Stephen W

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 15:49

The BEST result for Surtees in F1 Grand Prix was the second place taken by Mike Hailwood at Monza in 1972.

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#13 2F-001

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 15:56

Although he came a good deal closer to winning in the previous year's race, when he was only fourth...

#14 Andre Acker

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 15:59

Does anybody have photos of Jthe Surtees car at both Golden Cup victories ?

VBR.
André Acker.

#15 D-Type

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 18:20

Originally posted by Stephen W
The BEST result for Surtees in F1 Grand Prix was the second place taken by Mike Hailwood at Monza in 1972.

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I think you are referring to F1 Championship races whereas the question is about all F1 races. Although there is no difference now, there used to be - as members of this forum frequently point out.

If, on the other hand, you are saying that coming second at Monzas is a better result than winning the Gold Cup that is a debatable point.
A couple of questions to consider:

1. Who did Surtees beat to win the Gold Cup?
2. Which was easier to drive competitively ? Oulton Park, or pre-chicane Monza"

I accept that British Championship rounds are inferior because the field was made up of, shall we say, second division drivers. But the Gold Cup usually attracted at least single entries from most of the top teams, except Ferrari.

#16 MCS

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 18:39

Originally posted by D-Type
But the Gold Cup usually attracted at least single entries from most of the top teams, except Ferrari.


You've forgotten the 1968 race, D-Type!

Two works Ferraris, driven by Chris Amon and Jacky Ickx :clap: (although for some reason it's in my mind that Derek Bell took Ickx's place)

#17 Stephen W

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 09:29

Originally posted by MCS


You've forgotten the 1968 race, D-Type!

Two works Ferraris, driven by Chris Amon and Jacky Ickx :clap: (although for some reason it's in my mind that Derek Bell took Ickx's place)


... and there was me thinking they ran THREE Ferraris! :wave:

#18 Stephen W

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 09:33

Originally posted by D-Type
If, on the other hand, you are saying that coming second at Monzas is a better result than winning the Gold Cup that is a debatable point.
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If you just look at the opposition at Monza in terms of numbers - THREE Ferrrais for a start off! On both occasions when Surtees won the Gold Cup at Oulton there were NO Ferrraris entered let alone running in the race!

I would suggest that Hailwood's Monza result was head and shoulders above the two Gold Cup wins and I speak as a Northerner who loves Oulton Park.

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