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#1 Honza

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 13:05

Hi guys,

Need some help with this picture of Matra MS11.
Have any photos of this parts or knows what it was?



http://[img=http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8237/matra20ms1104wa6yl1.th.jpg]


Many thanks
Honza

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#2 Twin Window

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 13:17

The right-hand one looks like a Caltex logo - bigger versions were on the cars at Kyalami, IIRC.

#3 macoran

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 13:45

Matra elf with a Caltex logo?

IIRC only the Tyrrell Matra had Caltex logos

#4 Honza

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 14:06

May be, but Caltex logo has a big red star and this photo is too poor to good identification.
Here is detail from another Matra, I think it is what I want.
Middle is MARSHAL.... ok
at right I thing something you mean Caltex
Third in a circle something as a baby and some text unther this

see detail

http://img139.images...radetailas4.jpg

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#5 Pedro 917

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 14:09

I'm pretty sure Stewart's Matra (the light greenish car) had Caltex stickers on it during the 1968 south African GP.

#6 Honza

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 14:17

Hi Pedro,

Yes, I see it in book now.... and in USA has Stewart Caltex logo too but another version of sticker.
Detail picture is JP Beltoise car nr.17 with new V12 engine...dont know which GP.

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#7 Honza

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 14:21

Wasn´t it be some personal sponsor of J.P.Beltoise, because only his car had it?

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#8 macoran

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 14:28

Even the good Schlegelmilch BW photo on this site doesn't show the logos clearly.
Could the logo which looks like a K be for Kugelfischer injection ?

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#9 macoran

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 14:43

Originally posted by Honza
Wasn´t it be some personal sponsor of J.P.Beltoise, because only his car had it?

Honza


Could be , remember that Matra elf and Team Tyrrell were separate teams with different sponsors.

Also I don't think the cars were known as Matra Simca then, otherwise it could have been the Chrysler "pentastar" logo

#10 Rob Ryder

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 19:42

I don't know the answer, but here are some extra views of the details for Honza. Maybe it will help someone with an ID?

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Both from the 1968 Beltoise Matra at Monaco.
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#11 barrykm

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 13:02

Originally posted by Twin Window
The right-hand one looks like a Caltex logo - bigger versions were on the cars at Kyalami, IIRC.


Twinny - I don't think Matra ever ran at Kyalami in that configuration?

#12 macoran

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 13:45

At Kyalami Beltoise ran in an MS7 Cosworth FVA 4 cyl Tyrrell International entry with large Caltex logo on sides of the nose

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 15:45

Originally posted by barrykm


Twinny - I don't think Matra ever ran at Kyalami in that configuration?


By this I meant in the early V12 configuration.

#14 mfd

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 13:28

looks like a Caltex logo



Here's the Matra from another angle at the same race & that looks pretty much like an ELF logo to me. It was also on the Tyrrell Matra driven by JS-G. I guess the Caltex deal was a one-off in South AfricaPosted Image

#15 Honza

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 05:41

OK, through the weekend came to me answer to my question.
Logo under teh name of driver is ....... FERODO and in circle is jumping cariboo or elk.
:clap: :clap:
Second one is something as chequered flag with circle (where is something I don´t know) and the sign "Duceilier"..... but in the sign maybe a mistake,it isn´t so clear to read better. Maybe it was producer of some electric parts for cars as a alternators etc...

Have a nice day
Bye
Honza

#16 Hieronymus

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 06:03

This was already under discussion on TNF - the Matra and Elf/Caltex sponsorship. I can't recall the name of the thread. I mentioned that Beltoise's Matra also had both Caltex and ELF logos on his Matra at the '68 Cape South Easter race at Killarney.

#17 Honza

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 12:34

Many thanks to everybody,

About second logo:

The sign is "Ducellier" ....... I think French firm about headlite motor assembly.
Ducellier has an old name logo and because of that when their pieces are inspected the name that appears is Ducettier.

:cool: :cool:

Knows anybody how looks like the logo picture?

Bye
Honza

#18 HEROS

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 17:18

Elf was launched in 1967. This last one took the place of Caltex, Avia, La Mure ...

This means why, we can find both logos of Elf and Caltex on Matra Formula 1.

Concerning Caltex, this mark was included since 1960 in the French Group "Union générale de distribution" who later in 1967 created Elf.

I think that's a beginning of explanation.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 08:50

Originally posted by Hieronymus
This was already under discussion on TNF - the Matra and Elf/Caltex sponsorship. I can't recall the name of the thread. I mentioned that Beltoise's Matra also had both Caltex and ELF logos on his Matra at the '68 Cape South Easter race at Killarney.


Yes indeed

http://forums.atlasf...ighlight=caltex

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#20 John-w

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:24

Hello,

at the moment is a Matra MS11 (scale 1/20th) on my workbench,
I want to build the Monza 1968 version and so I have a question.

How many oil tanks are on the Monza car?
The instructions told me 2, one in the front behind the water cooler and one in top of the gear box,
is this correct ? If anybody has a photo from the Monza car without nose it would be very helpful (by copyright, please PM)

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Thanks a lot for your help.

John-w

#21 gablet

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 06:32

There was only one, just like all the F1 cars of the period. It's something you can easily see studying the pictures I sent you yesterday.
:rolleyes:

Hope you can find your answer here with someone who knows more.
Good luck for your work.
Gab

Edited by gablet, 19 October 2012 - 11:13.


#22 John-w

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:40

Hello,

my Matra MS11 (scale 1/20th) is finished now, I have tried to build the Watkins Glen car,
I hope there are not to many mistakes because I could not get good reference photos.

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John-w