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#1 Honza

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 09:26

Hi Guys,

In some threads there i find couple about AGS team, my favourite. But nothing more. I will be glad if you send me everything what you search about this team.
I will post there some personal pictures from 1987 this week.

I prepare texts about this team for my site, have something about history, but some facts are too difficult to search for me. When I search statistics about AGS results, some informations missing. For example qualification time for every race, for matching also pole time.
Next question, have copy from Autosprint about Pironi tests in 1986, but only from copier in poor quality, pictures are bad, can somebody send me better copy or pictures? Exist this text in English version? Know somebody anything about results from this tests??
And the last one, I am interested in article about AGS JH27 and Olivier Grouillard in Auto-Hebdo nr.798.

Many thanks for help
Honza

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#2 Graham Gauld

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 10:24

AGS was the brainchild of Henri Julien who is now retired and lives in the village of Gonfaron not too far from the Le Luc motor racing circuit. The owners of Le Luc bought the rights to the AGS designs etc and have a superb facility where they have built a series of AGS Formula 1 cars to used in their driving school. They also have a complete run of brand new AGS Formula 3 cars for the school. It has become very popular for people who want to experience the thrill of driving a Formula 1 car, albeit a Cosworth engined one.
Henri, a quiet and modest man,has always been in the shadow of John Cooper because like John Cooper he started out building a 500cc Formula 3 car and progressed right up to Formula 1. In France they call the cars Racer 500's and Henri spent a few years preparing a small book on all 500cc racing cars which he eventually published privately. Today in his garage behind his house he has one or two racing cars.

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 12:53

Graham,

Do you know if there is any way to purchase a copy of Julien's Racer 500 book? His work on the book I believe you are referring to is mentioned in the enjoyable little 'L'épopée francaise des "Racers 500"' (sorry I can´t type the cedille in Explorer) by Francois Jolly. There was actually a suprizing number of different 'Racer 500' designs.

#4 Graham Gauld

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 14:41

Reference Henri I believe he sells the books directly from home. He visited a couple of time and I loaned him a lot of English references to the cars but I have not been to Gonfaron to see him since the book was published and I know that he was not keen on selling through the regular distributor channels.
If you wish to write to him - remember he does not speak English - his address is

Henri Julien
Route Imperale 2
83690 Gonfaron
France

#5 Bonde

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 14:55

Thanks, Graham!

Well, I'll just need to polish off my French as well as I can, then! Do you have any idea about the size of Julien's book - and what an approximate price might be, although I have the impression that you may not have seen the completed book yet? From Jolly's book (1999) it appears that Julien's intention was to cover 500cc World-wide, and that it was a major undertaking.

#6 Honza

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 06:08

Here are some pictures from Hungarian Gp 1987.


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That´s all :cool:
Special thanks to mr. Milan Vasko, who gave me permission to post this images.

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#7 tobbe j

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 11:56

Existed it a JH21D??

I have never seen any information about this car earlier, Maybe a test car? or a later build car?

There is/was one AGS JH21D for sale in Italy.
Each time I asks on its history I get the same answer Italy GP, Portugal GP, Mexico GP 1986 I think that he wrote Australia GP to. then I heard no more when more questions was asked. :confused:

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:11

Originally posted by Honza
...Next question, have copy from Autosprint about Pironi tests in 1986, but only from copier in poor quality, pictures are bad, can somebody send me better copy or pictures?...



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#9 Honza

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:14

I have many photos from Lohéac museum, I was there about 2 years ago and I think it isn´t same car what was for sale in Italy. I think there were 2 cars in 1986, one for race and one as a spare. As a JH-21D maybe marked last version of car, maybe test car between seasons but I think it was still JH-21C, but with another front and cockpit bodywork.

Have anybody information about second AGS JH22?? At posted photos are two cars with different bodyworks.

Thanks a lot
Honza

#10 f1steveuk

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:19

Originally posted by Honza
Here are some pictures from Hungarian Gp 1987.


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Special thanks to mr. Milan Vasko, who gave me permission to post this images.

Honza


Is this the car based on an old Renault RE40 (?) tub??

#11 fausto

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:30

Originally posted by f1steveuk


Is this the car based on an old Renault RE40 (?) tub??


It seems so, according to various reports.

#12 jcbc3

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:32

I never believed the "Renault tub in the lorry"-story.

Can anyone definitively kill or confirm it? (Vanderpleyn, Julien)

#13 Honza

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:40

I think JH-21C design has many parts from French Renault F1 programme and JH-21C was development car for JH-22, so JH-22 has Renault parts too, but not so much.

#14 Honza

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:48

One more thing..... was it really RE40 tub, not latest RE50 or RE60???
It looks little bizzare, I think the tub was little old for using in a new car 3 years old tub.

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 13:16

The story was that they bought some of Renaults old lorries and found an old tub in one of them. IF true that tieas in with the tub being a couple of years old.

But I still would like real confirmation rather than hearsay.

#16 Honza

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 13:36

Here are some photos of JH-21C from Lóheac museum.

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#17 tobbe j

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 14:27

I think that JH21C and JH21D is not the same car, i I contact Lóheac museum and the salesman's to JH21D the same week this year.
And JH21D have a Brazilian flag and none front skirt.

#18 Honza

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 14:36

Hi tobbe,

Is possible post here some pictures of this car or get better detailed photos from seller?

#19 tobbe j

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 14:54

sorry Honza I missed "isn´t" in post 9

The JH21C has chassis number 31 ore was it 1? I have it at home i'll look for the Info.
JH22-32 and -33

It's strange that them missed to number JH21D
In order to saved number 45 and 46 between JH25 and JH27

I have many images at home I mail you tomorrow

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#20 f1steveuk

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 15:01

Still, it's not the best looking car I have ever seen!!

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 18:53

Originally posted by jcbc3
I never believed the "Renault tub in the lorry"-story.

Can anyone definitively kill or confirm it? (Vanderpleyn, Julien)

Do you mean Christian Vanderpleyn who died (from his own hand ISTR) in 1992?

#22 Honza

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 06:44

Tobbe, as David Hyland wrote in another thread - Perhaps chassis 45 and 46 were allocated to the stillborn JH-26 design, I think it may be true.
In your list at F1carstoday.net you have 4 designs JH-25 marked as nr. 40 to 44, which of them was design JH-25B and what were main differences between JH-25 and JH-25B specification??

#23 tobbe j

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 06:58

Yes I think that 45 and 46 was to JH26 that never was built. And why not a number on JH21D?

There are JH23B, JH24B and JH25B they are all the same as 23, 24 and 25, just use in next year, there are small differences. I'll check which chassis became B spes when I comes home.

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 07:21

Originally posted by ReWind
Do you mean Christian Vanderpleyn who died (from his own hand ISTR) in 1992?


Guess that leaves Julien. Or anyone of the alledgedly 7 mechanics the team employed at the time.

#25 Honza

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 07:28

Here is the photo after Streiffs fatal accident in Rio.

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It´s very shocking shot, look at missing part where was roll bar.

And couple of photos about JH-23 from Lóheac

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I think it´s only one 23 which wasn´t rebuilt by new AGS driving school.

#26 tobbe j

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 07:31

Was Streiffs accident fatal??

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 07:36

Originally posted by tobbe j
Was Streiffs accident fatal??


No.

#28 tobbe j

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 07:42

In Lóheac you can read DH23 on the signboard why DH and not JH????

#29 Honza

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 07:47

Ok, I meant terrible with critical aftermath.

#30 Honza

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 07:57

originally posted by Tobbe J:
In Lóheac you can read DH23 on the signboard why DH and not JH????



Did you mean this?

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little mistake :drunk:

#31 tobbe j

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 07:59

Or is it???

#32 Honza

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 09:02

Next photos are about JH-23 and JH-24 designs

Hungarian GP 1988 - JH-23

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Hungarian GP 1989 - JH-24

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Look at these 3 pictures from 1989. Car nr. 40 has two diferent bodyworks. Has team in Hungary 2 cars and Tarquini tested new bodywork? or has 3 cars and which of them was spare for Tarquini and what were chassis numbers of this cars?

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#33 Honza

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 14:02



no comment :cry:

#34 f1steveuk

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 16:32

Jeez! I have never seen that before, awful, but no worse than what happened afterwards

#35 tobbe j

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 19:26

Originally posted by Honza
Next photos are about JH-23 and JH-24 designs


Hungarian GP 1989 - JH-24

Look at these 3 pictures from 1989. Car nr. 40 has two diferent bodyworks. Has team in Hungary 2 cars and Tarquini tested new bodywork? or has 3 cars and which of them was spare for Tarquini and what were chassis numbers of this cars?

Honza


According to Autocourse
Tarquini JH24-37
and one spare car JH23B -34
ther is no mention of Dalmas car but he use JH24 for the first time in Belgian GP

And the use a revised engine cover on JH24

#36 Honza

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 07:18

Can anyone help me with translation to English ,please. Or better to Czech :lol:
It was joke English is possible.

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source: Autosprint ...... don´t know what issue

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 19:11

1986
JH21C -01

1987
Development of 1986 car.
JH22 32
JH22 33

1988
One completely new for Rio
JH23 1
JH23 2
JH23 3

1989
One uprated 1988 car at Rio
JH23B 33
JH23B 34
JH23B 36
JH24 37
JH24 38
JH24 39

Technical File San Marino GP Round 2
One of the 1988 chassis rebuilt for Tarquini’s use to replace the car destroyed in Streiff’s Brazilian GP testing accident
(The first GP for -33 this season)

1990
Three 1989 cars for the start of the season
JH24 37
JH24 38
JH24 39
JH25 41
JH25 42
JH25 43
JH25 44
Source: Autocourse

The chassis number on the 1988 cars today is
JH23 34
JH23 35
JH23 36
And the ’86 car is -31

The question is, chassis number -33 is it the same tub that was used in 1987 and 1989?

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 22:36

Three pictures from the first two F1 races of the team taken at the moment of car's retirements:

1) 1986 Italian GP, Monza. Capelli retires with a puncture at the beginning of 32nd lap of the race.

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2) 1986 Portuguese GP, Estoril. Transmission failure stops Capelli after just 6 laps of the race.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 00:24

Honza:

In Post 25 you mentioned Phillippe Streiff's accident and show the missing roll bar. I know he was paralyzed in that accident, but who was killed?

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 17:34

I got some footage of a news snippet from Murray Walker about Pascal Fabre's impressive run of no retirements during the first part of the 1987 season at the German Grand Prix.

Anyone interested to see it?

EDIT>>

Found an other photo of Streiff's wrecked AGS at that fateful day at Jacarapagua:

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#41 Honza

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 07:27

To David M. Kane: Nobody was killed, sorry my mistake with translation

To Rocky 2: Thanks for pictures

To bigears: Your photo is originally from www.Suttonimages.com , there are two photos about this accident


Anything new about translation of thext in post 36, nobody can help?

Regards Honza