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#1 Mark Shannon

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 11:35

I have recently purchased this photograph and I am trying to identify both the circuit and the car's chassis number or owner. A year would be very helpful too. Can anyone help.

Thank you.

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#2 Stephen W

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 11:41

The venue looks very much like Aintree. The long bank in the background is I think the one on Railway Straight.

Sorry can't help with the Ferrari!

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 11:51

Droool :love:

#4 hipperson

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 13:12

I would reckon this a 1964 275GTB 2 cam Short Nose...I base this assumption on comparing it to my long nose 2 cam I owned during the 70s which was a 1966 model

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#5 Mark Shannon

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 13:33

Yes, I am aware of this, thank you.

Also I have seen you old pictures posted at http://www.jam.co.uk...son/default.asp. Do you have any more of the comp Daytona at the Northampton meet or even of the spyder which belongs to a chap I know.

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#6 Mark Shannon

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 18:08

I now believe the owner was Bernard White.

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#7 David M. Kane

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 19:50

Could you call the Department of Motor Vehicles or the Ferrari Club of Britain and see what their archives reflect?

#8 Mark Shannon

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 20:01

Thank you for your reply.

The Ferrari Owners' Club have nothing on this car from this period and the DVLA will not provide details to anyone other than the current recorded keeper.

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#9 Sharman

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Posted 20 December 2006 - 21:56

Unless you're a constabule, where is John Gott now that we need him?

#10 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 16:26

Mark,

Have you tried Ferrarichat?

There are a lot of 'raristi' over there!

#11 bill moffat

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 17:23

...and what's the little coupe loading onto the BRSCC- stickered Commer flat bed. Perhaps a Lenham Sprite but the rear wheelarch doesn't look quite right...

#12 Sharman

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 21:48

Bill
I thought it looked like Paddy Gaston's Sprite but I have only hazy memories of that car . I do recall him unloading the flywheels he had stuffed everywhere to make up the weight.
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#13 David Birchall

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 22:15

Surely that's an Elan?
And yes, I mean the one backing onto the truck. :p

#14 Geoff E

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 08:37

Originally posted by David Birchall
Surely that's an Elan?
And yes, I mean the one backing onto the truck. :p


Am I alone in thinking that No.70 is not backing onto the Commer truck? It seems much further away than the truck, which is more aligned with No.68.

I too thought "Elan".

#15 bill patterson

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 10:54

For goodness sake - does it matter if No.68 or No.70 is aligned with the Commer flatbed?!

For what it's worth, I reckon No.70 to be some sort special bodied Sprite - wire wheels etc etc

No.68 is an S1 or S2 Elan - round arches and the larger side window.

#16 bill patterson

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 11:01

Oops!

Elan S3 also had round arches - the side windows dictate S1 or S2

#17 Sharman

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 11:22

Any advance on Paddy Gaston?

#18 Mark Shannon

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 11:43

I can now confirm through other research that this Ferrari was sold new to Bernard White on 10 May 1965 and first registered BW111. The chassis number is 07173.

Assuming that the picture is taken at Aintree, and I think it might well be, then does anyone have old programmes and can therefore identify the event from the race numbers on the cars behind. This would certainly help in identifying the unknown green car no. 70, which I agree is not an Elan.

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#19 bill patterson

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 12:03

The same Bernard White who ownwed & entered the Tasman BRM P261 for David Hobbs and others, I presume?

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#20 Mark Shannon

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 12:25

Yes, and Ferrari 250 LM #5907.

See also:

http://forums.autosp...t=Bernard white

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#21 Alan Cox

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 14:42

One more vote for no 70 not being an Elan. Does look reminiscent of a special-bodied Sprite.

#22 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 17:21

NO 70 is a Miorgan SLR to my eyes .

#23 David Birchall

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 18:32

Originally posted by EDWARD FITZGERALD
NO 70 is a Miorgan SLR to my eyes .


Naaaa, Look at the size of it compared to the Elan-it is about the same-an SLR is quite a bit bigger.

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 21:25

Originally posted by David Birchall


Naaaa, Look at the size of it compared to the Elan-it is about the same-an SLR is quite a bit bigger.


Looks like an Elan to me, but then thought maybe an Ogle? :rolleyes:

#25 Sharman

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 22:09

Originally posted by sterling49


Looks like an Elan to me, but then thought maybe an Ogle? :rolleyes:



Oy it's Christmas not the 1st April :stoned:

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 22:20

Originally posted by Sharman



Oy it's Christmas not the 1st April :stoned:


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#27 David Birchall

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 03:52

The special Sprites were mostly 'fastback' design I think. The Lenham Sprites were very different and the rear window was almost horizontal--I have a deal to race one next year it looks like :)

Of course, it could be related to the car that was in the background of the photo I posted of the Elite in Italy and the two 'mafiosi' in the foreground of that picture have graduated to a Ferrari :rotfl:

I think I'll have another glass of wine....

#28 David Birchall

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 04:54

I just Googled 'Sebring Sprite" and got the following photo :blush:

http://www.sebringsp...at-Abingdon.gif

#29 Sharman

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 09:15

Actually David the original Sebring i.e. PMO200, in its earliest form looked like a normal Sprite

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 20:34

Rather hesitantly first posting on this fantastic forum having lurked on it for some time but the small coupe with the no 70 is the one off Alexander Turner GT; there are some pictures of it being restored on the Turner website.

#31 David Birchall

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 00:35

There you are then, I said it wasn't a Sprite!;)

#32 Sharman

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 09:29

David
I did at least get the service right, although Ken MacKenzie was a Wing Commander and was a rank up on Paddy who was only a Squadron Leader
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 10:30

Hi Mark - I cant help with the Ferrari , but the photo has made my day as I own and am restoring the car #70 in the background - Correctly identified as Wing Commander Ken Mackenzies Alexander GT Coupe Prototype. I have not found a race entry in my history of the car with number 70 so I am equally as curious to the date and meeting. A Great Photo & Thanks for sharing this image. I found this car in a barn in derilict state and have been rebuilding over the last 5 years. Hopefully it will be finished in 2009.Posted Image

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Originally posted by Mark Shannon
I have recently purchased this photograph and I am trying to identify both the circuit and the car's chassis number or owner. A year would be very helpful too. Can anyone help.

Thank you.

Mark Shannon
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#34 Mark Shannon

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 10:36

I never got any nearer to finding out when. The concencus of opinion was that it was Aintree, very likely in 1965. I will do some more work on it.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:47

I have recently purchased this photograph and I am trying to identify both the circuit and the car's chassis number or owner. A year would be very helpful too. Can anyone help.

Thank you.

Mark Shannon
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I have just seen you query from 2006 ! The circuit is Rufforth outside York during 1966. The car is the 1965 London Motor Show car, the original 2 cam 275GTB, chassis no. 08047.
The owner was Bernard White (hence the registration BW111). Bernard founded a racing team - Team Chamaco Collect - later changed to Bernard White Racing. On that particular day the Ferrari was joined in the paddock with a couple more of his car, BW222 and BW333 - a Bentley and an SL Mercedes - I was a close friend of Bernard. The team race cars started with an old F! Lotus which was soon disposed of followed by a Lotus 30 (lethal) and eventually 250LM Ferrari (5907), Ford GT40 (1001) and BRM 261/5. Best race was 4th at the Monaco GP 1966 (only 4 finished) with Bob Bondourant driving. We ran the team for just over 3 years. Bernard passed away aged 82 in 2008 having lived close to Marbella from 1970. His brother was Gordon White, later Sir Gordon then Lord White who, together with James (Sir James then Lord Hanson) built Hanson Trust - scourge of The City and favourite of Margaret Thatcher.


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 14:50

Thank you for your reply.

The Ferrari Owners' Club have nothing on this car from this period and the DVLA will not provide details to anyone other than the current recorded keeper.

Mark Shannon



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