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#1 Graham Gauld

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 18:09

I have a slight concern. I know that Cliff Allison tested the UDT-Laystall Lotus 19 but I have no record of him actually racing the car. If anyone has an Autosport volume for season 1961 up to June can anyone find any record of him actually racing car, where and what the result might have been.
Cliff's own records do not record him having ever raced one but he may have forgotten something.

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#2 Alan Cox

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 18:27

Try this recent thread, Graham:

http://forums.atlasf...925#post2598925

#3 Graham Gauld

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 20:14

Alan

Thank you for that. I have gone back through Cliff Allison's records and have found that he drove the UDT Laystall Lotus 19 on four occasions as follows :

April 15 Oulton Park Finished 3rd.

April 22 Aintree Finished 3rd

May 6 Silverstone Finished 3rd

May 22 Crystal Palace Retired broken hub carrier

Thanks for your help

#4 bradbury west

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 20:31

Graham, Autosport 28.4.61 page 543 gives the race report, with the results on page 541. The results show Moss, Taylor and Allison 1,2,3 in Lotus 19s, but the report itself has them all shown as driving UDT Laystall Cooper Monacos, which would be misleading to the reader. There is a good 1/3rd page picture of them all at the start at Anchor corner.

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#5 Doug Nye

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Posted 25 January 2007 - 21:41

Grem - don't omit Easter Monday Goodwood - April 3, 1961 - Sussex Trophy - Cliff drove a UDT-Laystall Lotus 19 in third position for the Le Mans-type start - oh happy days - and was finally classified 14th.

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#6 Stephen W

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 09:50

Originally posted by Graham Gauld
Alan

Thank you for that. I have gone back through Cliff Allison's records and have found that he drove the UDT Laystall Lotus 19 on four occasions as follows :

April 15 Oulton Park Finished 3rd.
April 22 Aintree Finished 3rd
May 6 Silverstone Finished 3rd
May 22 Crystal Palace Retired broken hub carrier
Thanks for your help


Oulton Park 15/04/61 - Allison's team mates in the other UDT Laystall Lotus 19 Climax cars were Henry Taylor (1st) and Graham Hill (2nd)

Aintree 22/04/61 - in this race Allison's team mates at UDT Laystall were Stirling Moss (programme has him driving a Maserati engine Lotus 19; Moss finished 1st & set the Fastest Lap) and Henry Taylor (Climax engined Lotus 19 and finishing 2nd)

I was an enthusiastic 13 year old and thororughly enjoyed my trips on consecutive week-ends to my "local" race tracks. The Oulton race was almost a demonstartion run for the Lotus 19s as they wiped the floor with the opposition whilst at Aintree again there was little opposition.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 12:19

Don't forget, my Uncle Jimmy (Blumer) in his Monaco beat Henry Taylor in the UDT-Laystall Lotus 19 (Monte Carlo?) at Aintree on Bank Holiday Monday, August 7th. Twice in fact! Winning Heat 2 for over 1100cc cars and then winning again in the Final. Henery was second both times, (but he did set fastest lap in the Final), with Tom Dickson third in the final. This was a BARC meeting on the Club Circuit.

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David

#8 Michael Oliver

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 13:00

Originally posted by CoulthardD
Don't forget, my Uncle Jimmy (Blumer) in his Monaco beat Henry Taylor in the UDT-Laystall Lotus 19 (Monte Carlo?) at Aintree on Bank Holiday Monday, August 7th. Twice in fact! Winning Heat 2 for over 1100cc cars and then winning again in the Final. Henery was second both times, (but he did set fastest lap in the Final), with Tom Dickson third in the final. This was a BARC meeting on the Club Circuit.

Regards,

David


David: Don't suppose you have any photos of the Aintree August race? I am trying to work out which chassis Taylor drove that day.

I am also fairly sure that Taylor was driving a 2-litre car that day, in fact he drove this car for most of the year, IIRC. So, while not wishing to take anything away from your Uncle's good drive, Taylor would have been down a few hp on him...although he probably had a better chassis.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 13:03

Originally posted by Stephen W


Oulton Park 15/04/61 - Allison's team mates in the other UDT Laystall Lotus 19 Climax cars were Henry Taylor (1st) and Graham Hill (2nd)

Aintree 22/04/61 - in this race Allison's team mates at UDT Laystall were Stirling Moss (programme has him driving a Maserati engine Lotus 19; Moss finished 1st & set the Fastest Lap) and Henry Taylor (Climax engined Lotus 19 and finishing 2nd)

I was an enthusiastic 13 year old and thororughly enjoyed my trips on consecutive week-ends to my "local" race tracks. The Oulton race was almost a demonstartion run for the Lotus 19s as they wiped the floor with the opposition whilst at Aintree again there was little opposition.

:wave:


Programme has Stirling Moss in a Maserati-engined car but I believe he raced a Climax in the end. Does anybody know what the background was to putting a Maser in the car? I know Harry Zweifel did with his hillclimb car.

Steve: did you take any photos of the 61 Aintree meets as an 'enthusiastic 13 year old'?! I am trying to work out which chassis Taylor used in August...

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 13:59

Originally posted by Michael Oliver


Programme has Stirling Moss in a Maserati-engined car but I believe he raced a Climax in the end. Does anybody know what the background was to putting a Maser in the car? I know Harry Zweifel did with his hillclimb car.

Steve: did you take any photos of the 61 Aintree meets as an 'enthusiastic 13 year old'?! I am trying to work out which chassis Taylor used in August...


At the time I had a Kodak Brownie and only took pics in the paddock. I don't have any pics from the 1961 event as (a) we were not going to go round the paddock, and (b) I went as the pillion passenger on a family friends motor-bike so didn't take the camera.

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 10:05

Originally posted by Stephen W


At the time I had a Kodak Brownie and only took pics in the paddock. I don't have any pics from the 1961 event as (a) we were not going to go round the paddock, and (b) I went as the pillion passenger on a family friends motor-bike so didn't take the camera.


No problem - but I had to ask! I'm sure one day I'll find someone who took photos there...which reminds me: Ted - you will have mail soon!

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 11:41

Sorry Michael, I'm going to have to let you down too. It was another two years before I was born...

DC