Made-in-period toy race cars
#1
Posted 03 February 2007 - 21:53
I am not sure of how much interest there will be, but I would like to open a new thread on metal TOY racing cars and bikes (and other motorsports like boats) manufactured at the same period of time when the full-size cars or bikes were actually made. I mean TOYS, VS. models, a whole different animal...
Dinkies, Crescent, Scalex... and all these fabulous (and large!) Japanese and German tinplate windups!
I would like to begin by presenting this 15" pressed-metal and painted Kurtis-Novi manufactured for the Cragstan (Craig Stanton) Company in New York in 1958. It has an electric motor and a clear-plastic top with a flint to produce a "lighted" engine. It was of course made in Japan, where most of the best post-war toys were produced.
What do you think, good subject?
One may wonder why the driver has his goggles off...
Another cheaper version by another manufacturer has inflatable tires! It is seen behind the nicer version and is only 13" long, with very colorful lithography. Driver has the goggles off too...???
I am sure that some of you remember these toys from the past...
Regards,
T54
#3
Posted 04 February 2007 - 00:14
I'd be more concerned about why his hands are off the wheel!Originally posted by T54
One may wonder why the driver has his goggles off...
#4
Posted 04 February 2007 - 01:05
#5
Posted 04 February 2007 - 07:53
#6
Posted 05 February 2007 - 03:01
Does that include the Corgi GP cars of the seventies?
I don't see why not?
That Ventura Ferrari is already going for over 3000 bucks, and I have the feeling that it will go a lot higher...
#7
Posted 05 February 2007 - 03:48
The McLaren M19 got the '71 treatment too.
i must have had time on my hands then!!
#8
Posted 06 February 2007 - 03:12
Issued in 1956.
#9
Posted 06 February 2007 - 03:21
Originally posted by T54
I don't see why not?
That Ventura Ferrari is already going for over 3000 bucks, and I have the feeling that it will go a lot higher...
Marcel Massini told me he paid $12,000 for a mint one some 25 years ago!
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 09:42
#11
Posted 06 February 2007 - 09:53
#12
Posted 06 February 2007 - 10:17
#13
Posted 06 February 2007 - 11:12
Originally posted by T54
Another tough one that every British child dreamed of...
Issued in 1956.
Some 10 years ago Dinky reissued the Alfas. I bought 5 of them...
#14
Posted 06 February 2007 - 17:09
#15
Posted 06 February 2007 - 18:03
http://toymart.co.uk...default&group=7
I have a couple and, in the absence of the genuine article, they are pretty acceptable.
#16
Posted 06 February 2007 - 20:51
The tyres are new - genuine size but black not grey. Where did grey tyres come from, I wonder?
I have never understood why they left the Talbot out of that set.
#17
Posted 06 February 2007 - 20:58
They're not chocolates, matey!Originally posted by Huw Jadvantich
...out of that selection box...
#18
Posted 07 February 2007 - 18:32
the Talbot came later (last issued of the series) possibly explaining why it did not make it in the set...
#19
Posted 08 February 2007 - 05:58
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#20
Posted 08 February 2007 - 10:58
The older ones went soft, the Cooper Maserati ones went brittle.
#21
Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:24
If no-one else gets there first, that is.
#22
Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:36
#23
Posted 08 February 2007 - 12:04
There are two fantastic books (both at home in France at the moment) on both Corgi and Meccano/Dinky with all the colour variants, versions etc etc of all the models they produced. I'll post the ISBN numbers if anyone is interested.
My favourite was the Cooper Maserati where you lent the drivers head over and the fron wheels steered, complete with bi plane aerofoils.
#24
Posted 09 February 2007 - 10:42
By the way, When other TNFers tell me to use the BB, do they mean just ask Barry Boor? it seems to work, thank you.
#25
Posted 09 February 2007 - 10:51
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Not being in a position to afford really good condition Dinkies, I just collected really old tatty ones for peanuts and understanding that re-painted ones were of no value, I decided to re-paint mine in colour schemes that were race-specific, but a little different:
The tyres are new - genuine size but black not grey. Where did grey tyres come from, I wonder?
I have never understood why they left the Talbot out of that set.
and the races and drivers in the picture are...? (The Fangio car I recognise from an earlier thread)
#26
Posted 09 February 2007 - 11:48
I'll answer later.
#27
Posted 09 February 2007 - 13:14
#28
Posted 09 February 2007 - 23:08
Originally posted by Rob Miller
The Ventura Ferrari went for $10,266 in the last two seconds.
and it's not even in mint condition!!
#29
Posted 09 February 2007 - 23:29
#30
Posted 10 February 2007 - 01:24
T54
#31
Posted 10 February 2007 - 03:32
Originally posted by T54
Hidden in the bottom of a showcase is the CIJ Alfa P2, a marvellous toy then and now... I bought my very first one at age 10 in a flea market in Nice, France, for the paltry sum of 19 francs (about 3 bucks... ) Same color as this one. I must have had a dozen in between and still love that toy.
T54
How did a 10 year old actually have 19 FrF in his pocket 50 years ago? Must have been a month's allowance!
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Posted 10 February 2007 - 04:37
#33
Posted 10 February 2007 - 22:04
#34
Posted 10 February 2007 - 23:01
http://www.tronmodel...?id=622&idgrp=1
This is a beautiful 43rd scale kit from Tron models in Loano, Italy.
#35
Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:01
Originally posted by vintageautomobilia
Have you seen the Cisitalia Porsche Type 360 grand prix car model/toy currently bid to over $10,000 now on eBay?
That's the toy that was in Don Veta's collection. If I remember correctly, it is a one off that was made by an Italian motor scooter company (don't remember which one) for Cisitalia to try and raise money. I didn't know Don had passed away, nor do I know who is the seller or how he got Don's collection. I know where Don got it and how much he paid; I was there!!! I think it was in 1984....
#36
Posted 16 February 2007 - 22:19
#37
Posted 19 February 2007 - 00:18
#38
Posted 19 February 2007 - 03:29
As to Don Veta, I found out that he passed away in December. Dirk Stoehr, an Alfa guy in LA bought some stuff before Don passed away. Daniel Cytrynowicz, another LA guy who has, of all things, an Alfa 2600 sedan, got the Cisitalia, and is the one selling it. Don's daughter is going to auction off the rest of Don's toy collection in England. I don't know if Don still had his Alfa Montreal, and what happened to it.
I could make a big stink, as Don and I had a notorized agreement that whoever died first would get the other's collection free. Unlike a certain Belgian that raised a ruckus over a bunch of people here simply stating opinions.....
#39
Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:28
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#40
Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:39
Was it like this one? the guy I bought this from at a toy fair said that it was sold by M&S
It measures approx 9" long
Rick
#41
Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:44
the incomplete red one is to a slightly smaller scale and more easily found, both built in Germany
Rick
#42
Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:53
Plans for this model feature in an old book on model car racing, but I can't lay my hands on it right now
Rick
#43
Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:56
#44
Posted 19 February 2007 - 13:08
If so, my Collector's Guide to Toy Cars by Gardiner and o'Niel says this:
'This toy appeared c1957-58 in red or silver finish and in three different versions: friction driven, battery-powered in multi-action form; and battery-powered with remote control steering. it provides an interesting example of a manufacturer obtaining "added mileage" from the same basic pressing by issuing various mofications...'
#45
Posted 19 February 2007 - 13:14
It'll be the "battery-powered in multi-action" version I think, with both forward and reverse gears selectable by the lever in the cockpit
Rick
#46
Posted 19 February 2007 - 13:16
marvelous.
Just been hunting through a couple of reference books, but can find no more on the Vanwall.
#47
Posted 19 February 2007 - 13:49
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#48
Posted 19 February 2007 - 14:44
#49
Posted 19 February 2007 - 15:11
Most of my old toys are fairly generic btw, ie not of a specific vehicle
R
#50
Posted 19 February 2007 - 15:19
German wind-up AU:
and a Mercedes by CKO of Western Germany:
similar to Schuco but by Gescho, another M-B:
Old plastic toys are of interest too
R