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#1 Sergio Sultani

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 18:01

In EUA 1964 f1 race:
1) Mike Hailwood had a oil leak in the last laps in the track.

2) Dan Gurney too in the midle of the race.

3) John Surtees finished in second 30" after the winner Graham Hill. But I read that Surtees spun in the oil of the track, lost 20" but did not lose his position.

Wich oil Surtees spun: Hailwood or Gurney ?

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#2 Rosemayer

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 18:21

Probably Hailwood broken oil pipe
Graham Hill padded his tenuous lead in the 1964 Driver's Championship over John Surtees and Jim Clark by bringing his BRM home first at The Glen for the second straight year. Surtees was second for Ferrari, 30.5 seconds back.

The Ferrari team brought four cars for Surtees and Lorenzo Bandini, but they were not in the usual "flaming red" that the race program advertised. Enzo Ferrari had surrendered his entrant's license in a dispute at Monza, so the cars were entered by Luigi Chinetti's North American Racing Team and were painted in North American racing blue and white. The only entrant missing from the 20 who were invited was American A.J. Foyt, who was offered a works BRM drive for the race, but decided against it.

The Watkins Glen Grand Prix Corporation was so pleased with the new track surface that had been laid down that they believed a 120 mph lap (1:08.9) was possible, and they had 120 bottles of champagne ready for the first one to do it! While the three remaining Championship contenders, along with American Dan Gurney, waged a stirring battle for the pole and broke Hill's record from the previous year, they did not come close to claiming the prize.

Colin Chapman had both an older Type 25 and the new Type 33 Lotus for Clark, but the Scot had little time to practice in the newer version by the time it was ready. He set the fastest time (1:12.65) using the old, reliable one, anyway, so he decided to use it in the race. Surtees, Gurney and Hill were all under 1:13, as well, followed by Bruce McLaren and Clark's teammate, Mike Spence.

Cool breezes and bright sun welcomed a crowd of 65,000 on Sunday to see the next to last round of a tense Championship battle. Hill led Clark by two points, with Surtees, having won two of the three previous races, just two points behind Clark in third. Clark led off the line, but Surtees and Spence quickly went past, dropping the defending Champion to third before they reached the top of the hill. After one lap, the order was Surtees, Spence, Clark, Hill, Jack Brabham, Innes Ireland, Gurney and McLaren.

Gurney quickly recovered from his poor start by getting around Ireland and Brabham. Hill briefly overtook the Lotus teammates for second spot, but then Clark seemed to take the bit between his teeth. The Scot surged past the BRM of Hill and set off after Surtees, taking the lead from the Ferrari on lap 14 as they exited the right-hander before the pits. For the next 18 laps, Clark continually drew away from Surtees. Gurney passed Spence to join Hill and Brabham in a three-way battle for third place, until Hill moved into second place by getting around Surtees on lap 31.

On lap 40, Clark's Lotus began to misfire as a result of a fuel injection problem. Surtees, then Hill and Gurney, went by before he entered the pits on lap 44. The crew spent two laps adjusting the injection system, and he rejoined in next to last spot, but stopped again after only six laps. Chapman called teammate Spence in from fourth place and replaced him with Clark, trying to gain some much-needed points for his lead driver. Spence continued in Clark's car, but retired it after five more laps.

Meanwhile, Hill had taken the lead back from Surtees on lap 45. When the leaders came up to lap Hill's teammate, American Richie Ginther, on lap 61, Hill's BRM seemed to have much less trouble getting by than the pursuing Ferrari and Brabham did. Surtees and Gurney got by Ginther after another lap, but by then, Hill was fifty yards ahead and pulling away. Two laps later, Surtees spun while lapping another backmarker, and on lap 70, Gurney retired from second place with a broken Climax engine.

Clark was now in third, gaining on Hill by a second per lap and nearly matching his qualifying time, until the second Lotus also began sputtering, this time unable to pick up its last few gallons of fuel. He retired, having completed 102 laps, and was eventually classified seventh, out of the points. At the end, Hill and Surtees had the only healthy cars, and the Englishman claimed his second win of the season, now five points ahead of Surtees, and seven ahead of Clark in the Championship standings. Jo Siffert was third in the Rob Walker-entered Brabham, ahead of Americans Richie Ginther and Walt Hansgen, with Trevor Taylor in sixth, scoring his only point of the season.


[edit] Classification
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 3 Graham Hill BRM 110 2:16:38.0 4 9
2 7 John Surtees Ferrari 110 + 30.5 2 6
3 22 Jo Siffert Brabham-BRM 109 + 1 lap 12 4
4 4 Richie Ginther BRM 107 + 3 laps 13 3
5 17 Walt Hansgen Lotus-Climax 107 + 3 laps 17 2
6 12 Trevor Taylor BRP-BRM 106 + 4 laps 15 1
7 1 Jim Clark Lotus-Climax 102 Out of fuel 1
8 14 Mike Hailwood Lotus-BRM 101 Oil Pipe 15
Ret 6 Dan Gurney Brabham-Climax 69 Oil Pressure 3
NC 23 Hap Sharp Brabham-BRM 65 Not Classified 18
Ret 8 Lorenzo Bandini Ferrari 58 Engine 8
Ret 2 Mike Spence Lotus-Climax 54 Injection 1
Ret 25 Ronnie Bucknum Honda 50 Overheating 14
Ret 15 Chris Amon Lotus-BRM 47 Engine 11
Ret 16 Jo Bonnier Brabham-Climax 37 wheel 9
Ret 9 Bruce McLaren Cooper-Climax 27 Engine 5
Ret 5 Jack Brabham Brabham-Climax 14 Engine 7
Ret 10 Phil Hill Cooper-Climax 4 Ignition 19
Ret 11 Innes Ireland BRP-BRM 2 Gearbox 10

Cheers Rosey

#3 Sergio Sultani

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 19:08

Olá Rosey.


Thanks very much about your text.

According to it:
">>...Two laps later, Surtees spun while lapping another backmarker, and on lap 70, Gurney retired from second place with a broken Climax engine<<.....".

Then, I think Surtees spun on Gurney´s oil because was near of the lap 70 and was not after the century lap ...

Hailwood had problems with oil when he was in a good forth place: it was nine laps (on lap 102) to the end (font = Forix site).


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Have a good weekend,
Sergio.

#4 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 19:18

From "Life at the Limit" by Graham Hill:

"...Just before the halfway mark, someone started spewing oil around and the track got very slippery indeed; Surtees flew off the circuit at one particular point on the oil and Dan and myself were all set to fight it out. Then Dan went out with engine trouble and there I was all on my own, leading the race by some seventeen seconds in front of Surtees. The race came to a finish with me in front, Surtees second, and Jimmy nowhere..."

Vince H.

#5 Sergio Sultani

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 20:47

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
From "Life at the Limit" by Graham Hill:

"..........someone started spewing oil around and the track got very slippery indeed; Surtees flew off the circuit at one particular point on the oil and Dan............."

Vince H.


Hi Vince...

The mistery remain ??? :eek:
Was not Dan Gurney?
Who was? :rolleyes:

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#6 JB Miltonian

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 09:48

I think the answer to this question is that Surtees spun twice in the race - once around lap 68 on oil that had been dropped by Gurney's car, and again on lap 102 on oil that had been dropped by Hailwood's car.

#7 JB Miltonian

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 23:49

The incident on lap 102 is captured in two photo sequences in the January 1965 issue of Car & Driver magazine, in their report on the US Grand Prix.

"Mike Hailwood, driving the Parnell Lotus-BRM blew the engine and dumped all of its oil onto the track at the last turn - a decidedly nasty righthander that leads onto the pit straight. He knew he had, and so signalled as he exited the corner. The marshals ignored him. The drivers - and most particularly John Surtees - came slithering through the mess waving their arms, pointing at the pavement and shouting 'OIL'! Still no response from the course marshals. Bandini, who had dropped out by now, ran to the corner, tried to tell the marshal (in Italian) what was happening, tried to warn his fellow drivers, and was siezed bodily to be dragged back from the edge of the road. His repeated attempts to straighten things out finally inspired one marshal to venture out onto the track to inspect the surface - and By George, there WAS oil all over, and the oil flag belatedly came out."

Eventually Bandini, Innes Ireland, and Jo Bonnier took care of the situation, making the track officials look foolish.

Picture credit to Stanley Z. Rosenthall.
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#8 jj2728

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 01:15

reminds me of another altercation at the glen, this time in 1975. IIRC regazzoni was black flagged for blocking fittipaldi who in turn was chasing down lauda. i was on top of the pits taking pictures and snapped away as luca de montezemulo (sp), the ferrari team boss and infuriated by this, ran down the pit lane and got into a punch up with the clerk of the course. too bad i lost the negatives as it was pretty funny actually, the clerk of the course being a much larger fellow than count luca.

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 08:23

Originally posted by jj2728
reminds me of another altercation at the glen, this time in 1975. IIRC regazzoni was black flagged for blocking fittipaldi who in turn was chasing down lauda. i was on top of the pits taking pictures and snapped away as luca de montezemulo (sp), the ferrari team boss and infuriated by this, ran down the pit lane and got into a punch up with the clerk of the course. too bad i lost the negatives as it was pretty funny actually, the clerk of the course being a much larger fellow than count luca.


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