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#5051 john medley

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 09:14

Barry Gurdon's cane passenger chair?

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#5052 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 09:25

Now, Now...

Someone might have to warn Frank Cuttell...

#5053 eldougo

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 11:11

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This photo, I am told by some learned enthusiasts, is the Scorpion Vincent after the accident at Warwick Farm with Peter Hill .. another photo or two of this to come ... Peter had serious damage done to his nose when his face hit the windscreen.

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#5054 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 11:22

I don't know what the fuss is about...

It was a premise that a sports car had some affinity with road use. As years went by, they became less and less so and eventually the stowing of the spare wheel became a problem. This was only really evident when the rear-engined era came.

So it took a while to eliminate the problem, so what? The Matich SR3 had its spare under the windscreen exactly the same as the Elfin 400, they used a front wheel so it was smaller and easier to fit. Where was the Lotus 23's spare?

As for the example of the car at Bathurst, that was a race for production cars, the rules of the early races included the need to use only tools supplied with the car in the first 100 miles or something. What's wrong with that?

Ray, I can understand lights, turn signals, even the horn but the spare wheel was dumb. Pointless and to a small degree dangerous too as an item that big has to be mounted securely in the case of a shunt. And they were at best prototype cars, not production cars. And exotic production Sports Cars [ Ferrari, Lambo etc] even then had get you home type spare wheels not a full size rim. Just like todays street cars!! Modern exotics often have no spare at all and not always 'run flat' tyres either.

#5055 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 12:11

Lee, it wasn't just a CAMS reg... it was an International (ie. FIA) regulation!

Like I mentioned, the Lotus 23 had a spare too. Lotus 11s, for instance, had them standing up under the fairing behind the driver's head.

It's something that became a problem, once again as I mentioned, with the advent of rear-engined cars.

#5056 ed holly

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:50

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#5057 eldougo

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:57

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#5058 ed holly

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 08:40

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#5059 ed holly

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 01:11

Some more of John Arkright's photos

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 07:59

Some more of John Arkright's photos

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Hi Ed,
I think I must have been around at the same time as John Arkright when yoy compare the two pics.
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#5061 eldougo

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 08:43

Like i said before in another Thread.
PLEASE......

When will people learn that they DO NOT have to post the same pictures to get a reply from some TNF,er .You delete the ones you DONT want to talk about .
NOT posting in the whole lot again.

All post can be Edited at any time following them be posted . however it has to be done be YOU.

Thank you.

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#5062 Wirra

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 09:33

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I only had eyes for the local boy.
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#5063 GMACKIE

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 22:15

Some more of John Arkright's photos

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I'm sure that young, skinny chap, talking [listening?] to David McKay is Ray Berghouse.


#5064 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 22:25

No camera...

I don't think so, nor do I think it's how Ray would stand.

What's that on his shirt? I think he's more likely related to the cars, like a specialist supplier rep or something.

#5065 GMACKIE

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 22:49

It's the stance the makes me so sure that it's Ray!

Ray was a member of the Sutherland Shire Automobile Club in those days, and I knew him fairly well. John Arkwright was also a member, and I am sure Ray's inclusion in that photo was a deliberate 'shot'.

#5066 David Shaw

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 22:59

Appears to be a Firestone Race Tires shirt.

#5067 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 23:46

Would Ray have been wearing one of them?

An inactive TNF member from Canberra would know for sure, as would Frank Matich. But I really don't think it's Ray.

#5068 GMACKIE

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 00:08

Doubt if Ray would 'buy' that shirt, although it could be a 'freebie'?

I showed the photo to my wife [of 48 years], and she said "that's Ray Berghouse" - without any prompting!

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 00:35

Doubt if Ray would 'buy' that shirt, although it could be a 'freebie'?

I showed the photo to my wife [of 48 years], and she said "that's Ray Berghouse" - without any prompting!


Certainly looks like his stance, doesn't it? The camera might just be obscured.

I'll see if I can explain to him how to find this website :rolleyes: and get his input.




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#5070 eldougo

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 00:37

Like David said it got a Firestone logo and Race & Rally writing under that i can t work out.
I guess it looks like R.B. however WHAT is under the shirt it looks very bulky

#5071 GMACKIE

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 00:48

Cameras?.......Lunch? :)

#5072 eldougo

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 02:15

Speaking about other people i found this Artical about our Mr Ray BELL.
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#5073 Clark Watson

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 02:45

Gday Guys,
Just wondering if anyone in the Nostalgia community has any pics of Kenny Mitchell in a shoe box under the bed?
Ken's Family will be scattering his ashes on Saturday 28th at the Winton Historics after racing has ceased for the day,
we of course will be displaying his Milano in the pits and would love to get a photo board together to display along with his car.
Any photos of Kenny would be welcome ,from his days with brocky in the austin or just standing around having a beer and a chat.

Thanks Chaps!
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#5074 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 03:21

What a shame!

When I used to hang out with those blokes I didn't bother taking photos of people. Except my wife-to-be, of course. But what about Terry Russell, wouldn't he have something?

#5075 Clark Watson

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 04:19

Yeah good point Ray!
Does he post here or does anyone have his contact details?
Kenny told me 3 weeks prior to departing for the big race track in the sky that he sent off some pics to be used in the "Road to Glory Book" So perhaps Terry would be the bloke to ask.

Thanks for the lead.

#5076 GMACKIE

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 05:18

What a shame!

When I used to hang out with those blokes I didn't bother taking photos of people. Except my wife-to-be, of course. But what about Terry Russell, wouldn't he have something?

How true is that! Plenty of photos of cars - not many of the people. John Arwright's photos, posted by Ed Holly, are an exception though. Please keep posting Ed!

Cheers,

Greg

#5077 brucemoxon

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 07:02

How true is that! Plenty of photos of cars - not many of the people. John Arwright's photos, posted by Ed Holly, are an exception though. Please keep posting Ed!

Cheers,

Greg


Then y'all might like some of these. They came from my Dad, John Moxon. I'm not sure (and neither is he) who took them. Apologies for any broken copyrights.

Bob Britton (maker of Rennmax cars) - he still looks like this!

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Bob Muir in flat cap!

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John Moxon and an unidentified woman. I'd have remembered, I'd like to think. Anyone got an idea?

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Leo Geoghegan makes a point to Ken Goodwin

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Bob Muir (right) and (I think) Bob Skelton

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Bob Muir again (with perm).

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Judy Muir in stripes and (?). We think this is Singapore.

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#5078 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 09:13

Originally posted by brucemoxon
.....Bob Britton (maker of Rennmax cars) - he still looks like this!

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Yeah, a lot like that...

But he's got a much better workshop now!

All the same, that one churned out some great cars up to and including the BN6/7, didn't it?

#5079 brucemoxon

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 09:18

Yeah, a lot like that...

But he's got a much better workshop now!

All the same, that one churned out some great cars up to and including the BN6/7, didn't it?



'For my time, Ray. I only ever knew him at Annangrove.




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#5080 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 09:21

Originally posted by brucemoxon
.....John Moxon and an unidentified woman. I'd have remembered, I'd like to think. Anyone got an idea?

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Is this the same one?

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Could she be one of those girls?

If you don't know who I mean, check 'Search', find the thread 'Charmers' and then look for Buford's posts.

#5081 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 09:26

Originally posted by brucemoxon
'fore my time, Ray. I only ever knew him at Annangrove.


Yeah, you are just a kid...

I was just thinking, actually, there was never a new racing Rennmax model built after Bob moved to Annangrove. He did a lot of repairs, a few Lotus 7 replicas and had his road car projects, and built a new car or two. But the race cars were all developments of cars he had done in the past.

And the picture above, just to keep things in synch, was taken by Bob.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 09:34

Dick,

Because the Leyburn side of things was so impromptu I hadn't done any homework (not that I was ever any good at homework). If I'd known about the monument I'd have looked that bit harder. But alas I obviously missed that one. I did find the monument at Lowood though. I'll share that tale later.

I assumed through the privacy structures of today's society that there was only the 2 'tourist' type signs, then nothing else closer to the venue because the council didn't want the property owners being pestered by mug enthusiasts like me.

I did see mention of the race meeting this weekend in the Warwick tourist guide. Have fun. The Pontiac lads were having their Nationals there over the weekend. In fact there were cars going all over the place last week as I drove up to Qld. Got a surprise at Coonabarabran when several GT Falcons were backed into the kerb. A couple being of the over-priced Phase 3 variety (they were driving to Brisbane for their Nationals). Then there was various big Healey's and Riley's heading the opposite direction to me. The Citroens were having their Nationals at Stanthorpe too.

Stephen


Stephen,

You must have been so close to the "cairn"....see below:

Mick, I’ll have to go through my photos over the weekend, think I have a close up of the plaque amongst them but not sure. May even have a transcript of it somewhere.

I will get you a better pic of the Ford next to the cairn (I grabbed that one off the web yesterday) so it has been knocked around by auto resizing. Another place I got info was from the Z Force web site (address long forgotten). The RAAF had a specialist unit (200 Flight) of B24 Liberator bombers in support of Z Force.

The tree line in 5886 is about the extent of the airfield.

The shorter grass in 5884 is what was the main runway/main straight, the cairn sits on what was the start finish line and the rest of the front straight is still visible as the road base severely limits the growth of the grass.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 10:09

Mick,

Yes the Leyburn visit was close, but not quite close enough. Lowood however was more successful.

Stephen

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 13:45

Bob Muir (right) and (I think) Bob Skelton
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Doesn't look like Skello to me. I'm pretty sure it's Jochen Rindt

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#5085 brucemoxon

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 19:05

Is this the same one?

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Could she be one of those girls?

If you don't know who I mean, check 'Search', find the thread 'Charmers' and then look for Buford's posts.


Well, if it is the same one, she seems to like Dan Gurney more than the old man. You could be right - could well be the same one.

'Just a kid'? Thanks. I'm 49.




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Posted 09 May 2011 - 22:26

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#5087 ed holly

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 00:48

Some more ....

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#5088 GMACKIE

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 01:29

Ed, these are great photos. Hope that you find some of my VW Beetle in there one day.

The last three are [I think] Lithgow hillclimb [40 bends]

The A40 Farina, behind the Jag may be Warwick Johnson - Sutherland Shire Automobile Club member.

That's Alf Bargwanna, in the FJ - note the S.S.A.C. badge on the front!

I think the last one is Bob? Bedwell.

Cheers, Greg

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 05:50

Greg i think you find the first 2 are King Edward Park hillclimb at Newcastle the pine trees are the main give away, the last photo is at 40 bends hillclimb just before Lithgow just as you have said.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 06:30

That makes sense - the Norfolk Island pines should have rang some bells. I thought that those shots were of the start. Even though I only drove there once, my memory of the start was that it was down near the water?

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 07:16

I too think the two with the Norfolk Pines are King Edward Park, one who would know for sure is Paul Hamilton, he had some wonderful results there over the years, and mostly on his 1st run - really demoralizing for the competition that way !!

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 07:43

I too think the two with the Norfolk Pines are King Edward Park, one who would know for sure is Paul Hamilton, he had some wonderful results there over the years, and mostly on his 1st run - really demoralizing for the competition that way !!

Ed


The photos of the Jag and Alf's FJ both look to me like the exit from 'Perce's Pinch' at King Edward Park. That part of the hill is still pretty much the same as it was then.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 07:52

Agreed, Paul - but it looks like they are starting there, otherwise why is the A40 so close? Perhaps the seas were too rough to start down 'below'?

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 09:02

Well I have to say you're all wrong, that's the start line at 40 Bends, no doubt about it. The Ambo is parked in it's usual spot. Definitely Lithgow. I never made it to Newcastle, snapped these in 1964. The VX-4/90 is in the background of the Jag shot too.

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#5095 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 09:47

Originally posted by ed holly
.....Paul Hamilton, he had some wonderful results there over the years, and mostly on his 1st run - really demoralizing for the competition that way!


Second run...

The first run was merely an 'insurance, make no mistakes' run before the banzai attack in the second run. Later runs had to be made without the tyre warmer working.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 10:45

Second run...

The first run was merely an 'insurance, make no mistakes' run before the banzai attack in the second run. Later runs had to be made without the tyre warmer working.


The first run did the job most years, Ray, but there was usually still a chance in run two before the 'tyre warmer' headed west over the cliff top and the tide came in sometimes bringing some salt spray over the first two corners. These days its all quite different as the start has moved up beyond those first corners and the pit area is in the park at the top of the hill where it is usually sunny all day.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 10:46

Well I have to say you're all wrong, that's the start line at 40 Bends, no doubt about it. The Ambo is parked in it's usual spot. Definitely Lithgow. I never made it to Newcastle, snapped these in 1964. The VX-4/90 is in the background of the Jag shot too.

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Could it be that my first thoughts were correct?


#5098 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 19:08

Originally posted by Paul Hamilton
The first run did the job most years, Ray, but there was usually still a chance in run two before the 'tyre warmer' headed west over the cliff top and the tide came in sometimes bringing some salt spray over the first two corners.....


But you did do the first run as described, correct?

And then tried to beat it on the second?

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 21:42

The first run did the job most years, Ray, but there was usually still a chance in run two before the 'tyre warmer' headed west over the cliff top and the tide came in sometimes bringing some salt spray over the first two corners. These days its all quite different as the start has moved up beyond those first corners and the pit area is in the park at the top of the hill where it is usually sunny all day.

On tyre warmers, was it 'Spike' Jones who had a LP gas-fired tyre warmer that he used just before the start?


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Posted 15 May 2011 - 05:48

Could it be that my first thoughts were correct?


Sorry about that Gregory ,fancy me getting it wrong :rolleyes: At least it got a few more hit in the thread to move it along. :wave: