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#5301 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 June 2011 - 12:21

Greg, I never denied there was a V8 in there...

I simply said I don't recall it ever having been mentioned. I never really ever looked at the car closely, and for years it definitely had a VW engine.

Darrylyn, of course, later teamed up with Barry Sharp and was still with him when he died. I spent a little time with them one evening when I did a story about Barry for MRA.

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#5302 ellrosso

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 01:14

I saw Darrylyn drive at this Baskerville meeting and at Calder in 1973. I thought she was very good - smooth and quick, definitely up there with Chris Cole and Sue Ransom as the top female drivers at the time.Posted Image
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#5303 Wilyman

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 02:10

It was no 1100 engine...

The engine was from a Fiat 1400, the larger early fifties Fiat sedan.



Ray,
The Fiat 1400 [1395cc] with its original 44bhp was quite a lump. The Fiat 1100 engine bhp would have been slightly more, 50-55bhp and a lighter unit. I suppose it was a case of using what was laying about.
The 1400 engine would have lent itself more to supercharging, sturdier block and all that.
The last series of pictures shows the chassis etc to be anything but Fiat. Ford wheels, beam front axle.

#5304 Wirra

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 04:10

...But that pic isn't it [the Lawes mini]....

Two factors suggest it is the Lawes mini;
1. the name "Lawes" written on the front guard, and
2. when shown to John Lawes he identified it as the Lawes car with his brother Ken driving.

Edited by Wirra, 02 June 2011 - 12:13.


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 05:24

Ken and John Laws had a wrecking yard not far from me [Kirrawee]. They did me a great favour, by suggesting a good oil for racing, called 'Mobil Aero Red Band'. Not only was it good, but was really 'cheap'. I used to work with Ken, many years ago.



#5306 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 07:40

Originally posted by Wilyman
Ray,
The Fiat 1400 [1395cc] with its original 44bhp was quite a lump. The Fiat 1100 engine bhp would have been slightly more, 50-55bhp and a lighter unit. I suppose it was a case of using what was laying about.
The 1400 engine would have lent itself more to supercharging, sturdier block and all that.
The last series of pictures shows the chassis etc to be anything but Fiat. Ford wheels, beam front axle.


I might actually have some more details of the car somewhere, I know I have pictures of it 'somewhere!'...

But the information about the engine is correct, straight from the horse's mouth, or from someone close to the car. I gleaned all of this while doing the HRR Newsletter articles about Specials.

As for it being 'quite a lump', that might well be so, but the gearbox was relatively lightweight. A variation of this box with a fifth gear added was used in the Fiat 1900B, and for that car they put a torque converter on the front of it. I would think that a significant part of the reasoning was to protect it.

Wirra... you're right, I went back and had a closer look...

I recall the car with black paint and a highly contrasting pattern of lime green on it, this didn't appear to be what we have here. But we do have the 13" front wheels, so no problem there, it's got the Holden engine.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 08:43

The lovely John Law(e?)s is part of the Shire Historic Racing Team, populated by such nasties as John Smith, Ian Pope, Barry Carr, Stephen Fryer -- all Very Funny Men, but knowledgeable. The Shire Historic Racing Team is not one of Smithy's best marketing ploys, but the anagram on the TEAM SHIRTS impresses. While I havent seen JL for a while, he is able to answer all your questions

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 08:50

Sorry! Sorry!
I left out an essential part of Smithy's sales pitch......
it is the Shire Historic International Team. The print on the dark shirts is in white except for the first letter of each word. As subtle as a brick in a sock

#5309 GMACKIE

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 09:51

Reminds me of when Geoff Goodman and I were trying to come up with a name for a small group of local old 'petrol-heads' that was emerging, about 20 years ago.

I came up with "Bowral And Southern Tablelands Antique Racing Drivers Society". Paul Samuels was horrified, and it became "Country Gentlemens Classic Car Club". I'm not a member.

#5310 Wirra

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:03

I don't think I'm giving anything away when I state the Shire team attends a beer tasting most Thursday nights. With that in mind I dropped into Stephen Fryer Engineering today with the photo and John happened to be there. He said it was a very early incarnation of the car and explained in some detail the VW gearbox to mini driveshaft arrangement - Sports Sedans breed some wonderful engineering creations. He said it was an over-bored 179 to keep it under 3.0 ltrs as a 186 would place it in an over 3.0ltr class. He sighted the car a few years ago and said it looked so dangerous he and Ken must have been mad to drive it. Barry and the others just nodded in agreement!

Edited by Wirra, 02 June 2011 - 10:07.


#5311 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:36

I don't think I'm giving anything away when I state the Shire team attends a beer tasting most Thursday nights. With that in mind I dropped into Stephen Fryer Engineering today with the photo and John happened to be there. He said it was a very early incarnation of the car and explained in some detail the VW gearbox to mini driveshaft arrangement - Sports Sedans breed some wonderful engineering creations. He said it was an over-bored 179 to keep it under 3.0 ltrs as a 186 would place it in an over 3.0ltr class. He sighted the car a few years ago and said it looked so dangerous he and Ken must have been mad to drive it. Barry and the others just nodded in agreement!

But what was wrong with a 3 litre 6 cylinder front drive Mini?
The Hume Bros car with a 300hp rotary and front drive was REALLY interesting, and that was 20 years later!
Most of this discussion would go down well on the Sports Sedan thread.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 12:08

But what was wrong with a 3 litre 6 cylinder front drive Mini? ...

It wasn't the concept nor technical execution but rather safety issues. John said he was horrified to see they had raced with a standard Mini seat and a rollcage made from just 1 1/4" tube. They had lots of race entry problems, apparently some organisers wanted them to run as a sports car and others in yet another category. At one point only Hume Weir let them run as a Sports Sedan.

#5313 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 21:24

Those were interesting times for Sports Sedans...

The class, as is well known, had come out of a desire to keep Appendix J cars on the track without having to emaciate them for the new Improved Touring rules introduced in 1965.

Of course, being touring cars, they complied with all the Sports Car rules and were given races (and classes within Touring Car races) to run 'by invitation'. They were known as Sports Cars (Closed) by Invitation.

There were no rules hampering the Appendix J cars any longer, so early Holdens started to get 179 engines and other modifications were coming on-stream. Peter Brock wasn't the first to see that there was a whole new ball game on offer and some started building cars especially for this sub-class.

Then some regulation was mooted. One of the proposals was that the engine was to be restricted to one made by the same manufacturer as the body. Clearly, the Lawes Mini would have fallen foul of that while the likes of the Bob Jane Torana Repco relied on the Oldsmobile block coming from the world-wide GM empire.

Different circuits had different ideas, so it's no surprise that some cars found a safe haven at one circuit while they were given short shrift at others.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 00:41

Oran Park 19th September 1971
Sports Sedans...later in the day

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Just looking at the photos & noticed that BP, Enegol corner has a new name "World Wide Pest Control" how long was that sign there.

Also the "Fred Tread" signs on the back of cars, any knowledge of who is driving the Cortina & running gear of this car.

#5315 Ian G

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 02:18

Just looking at the photos & noticed that BP, Energol corner has a new name "World Wide Pest Control" how long was that sign there.


Noticed that myself,i thought it was still BP in 1971.

Edit..Thanks CP,that explains it but i don't remember the Pest Control sign,must not have been able to see from the straight's wall.

Edited by Ian G, 03 June 2011 - 05:47.


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Posted 03 June 2011 - 02:37

It was still BP Corner then. You are looking at the straight wall after the corner. The BP signs are at the photographers feet.

#5317 ellrosso

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 08:37

DanTra I checked the RCN report of that meeting and there was no mention of a Cortina in the Div 1 SRC race reports (doesn't mean it wasn't in the race of course as MS only described maybe 6 cars. However at an earlier meeting in 73 Tony Mac was mentioned in the Div 1 SRC field so it could have been him.


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Posted 03 June 2011 - 10:50

Noticed that myself,i thought it was still BP in 1971.

Edit..Thanks CP,that explains it but i don't remember the Pest Control sign,must not have been able to see from the straight's wall.



On a slightly different note, does anyone remember the drunk bloke stealing the just released Valiant Pacer and driving onto the track during a race at Oran Park. I think it may have been 1969

#5319 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 10:58

I've seen pictures...

Was it stolen? Indeed, was it a Pacer?

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 11:20

I've seen pictures...

Was it stolen? Indeed, was it a Pacer?



Yes it was definitely stolen. The bloke managed to get out of the pits and onto the track, driving around and waving to the crowd before they stopped him after a couple of laps. I don,t remember what the race was at the time but i,m fairly sure it was a Pacer.

#5321 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 11:28

It was the main event of the day, I think it was a round of the Australian Touring Car Championship...

And I also understood the car was driven onto the track from the bottom end of the spectator area.

It was mentioned, of course, in the race report.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 11:32

It was the main event of the day, I think it was a round of the Australian Touring Car Championship...

And I also understood the car was driven onto the track from the bottom end of the spectator area.

It was mentioned, of course, in the race report.



Thanks for that Ray, your information is probably more reliable than my memory.

#5323 Leo D

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:50

I'm voting for the "Pacer" being on track during the ferocious battle in the final round of the 1971 ATCC at Oran Park between Allan Moffat and Bob Jane.... Bob coming out on top....

I'm sure sure that in an interview I saw, Bob recalled lapping the Pacer several times.... but I could be wrong.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 23:31

It was a 2 dr Pacer from memory - he didn't last long enough for Bob to lap him several times though! I'll check the RCN report today (I thought he only lasted 2 laps out there - he was smoking as well......). Just on the previous Wylie Javelin shots from Tassy - I received the slides from Bob Wright's daughter yesterday and they did have some caption info written on them (hopefully written on them in period). The Baskerville shots were 1959 rather than '58 Rob - could have well been early '59 as you mentioned of course. More interesting was a shot of John Youl in the Javelin at Penguin Hillclimb in 1958 painted yellow, so the shot at Baskerville '59 was of John Youl driving, not Don Gorringe.
Bob must have got his wires crossed when I had asked him for caption info previously. Some new stuff from Symmons Gold Star 1969 which I'll try and get on shortly too.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 00:32

I've got the Max Stahl race report in front of me, August 8th 1971. 32,000 people there - "Australia's mightiest race meeting - Bob Jane is champ". "By 9am there was a line of traffic stretching back to Liverpool 12 miles away......." In the report Max continues "on lap 41...an ordinary road going Valiant Pacer, doing about 40 mph, driven by a hatless, beltless, cigarette smoking dare0devil who for some fantastic reason had decided that here was his chance to be a star.
It says he had borrowed the car from the pit area, been turned back from one track entrance, then driven to the pit apron, past 3 policemen onto the track.
He only did one lap, but Moffat had to squeeze between him and Bill Fanning's Escort in a close run thing at Suttons. He pulled in at the control tower where Allan Horsley dragged him out of the car and "flung him into the arms of a nearby cop". Moffat was so off the air in his chase of Jane's Camaro that he didn't even see the Pacer apparently.
The traffic jam didn't clear till 12.30. Epic stuff.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 00:52

Just on the previous Wylie Javelin shots from Tassy - I received the slides from Bob Wright's daughter yesterday and they did have some caption info written on them (hopefully written on them in period). The Baskerville shots were 1959 rather than '58 Rob - could have well been early '59 as you mentioned of course. More interesting was a shot of John Youl in the Javelin at Penguin Hillclimb in 1958 painted yellow, so the shot at Baskerville '59 was of John Youl driving, not Don Gorringe.
Bob must have got his wires crossed when I had asked him for caption info previously. Some new stuff from Symmons Gold Star 1969 which I'll try and get on shortly too.


Lindsay, Sorry but the shot at Baskervaille of the Wyllie Javelin is very definitely Don Gorringe. Don's number 66 was the only number he used. The driver sits up in very characteristic Don Gorringe pose (he was way too tall far that car - he was a big man). What number was on the car in Penguin photo? We would have to see the driver becasue it is reasonable to assume John had a test drive before he bought the car, and that he ran it in yellow before repainting for Longford March 1959.
The red Porsche in background is John Youl. I am fairly sure that photo is from the opening Baskerville meeting in February 1958 becasue it is the only meeting all the cars line up with the program. Bob was just as infallible as anyone else when it came to remembering stuff.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 01:24

Yes I know what your saying Rob - when I first looked at the Bask shot I thought Don Gorringe, not John Youl and it would have to be John driving the Porsche in the background, not Gavin by rights. Gets curly when its such a long time ago....Posted ImageCaption should read John Youl Penguin Hillclimb 1958 (as written on the slide)

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 03:18

Rob/Lindsay,

I don't have much Baskerville info, but the Ellrosso colour photo with the Gorringe yellow #66 Wylie-Javelin leading Stan Allen's blue #44 Fiat special, Youl Porsche, etc., won't be the February 9th, 1958 opening meeting.

I had a look in the 1958-59 AMS Review and there's a photo on page 52 relating to a brief Baskerville general writeup, but no captioning. The photo clearly shows the #66 Wylie-Javelin & #44 Fiat Special (from left of driver). So in typical AMS fashion whereby if it's in the annual, then it was probably in the original meeting report. I ferreted out AMS March 58 page 105, there it is. With captioning of the front row - #44 Stan Allen Fiat S/C special, #35 Don Elliot Holden special & #66 Gorringe Wylie Javelin (with at least 4 visible #66 markings).

Despite the photo being black & white, the giveaway is the Fiat special. It has a metallic sheen to the paintwork, with 'Stan Allen's Fiat' emblasoned on the side and #44 highlighted with black outline. It also clearly has white wheels, with highlighted centre hubs. As Rob's 3 photos in post 5290 show, this car had several incarnations, the middle photo shows it closest to the February 9th, 1958 Baskerville report photo. Lindsay's colour photo shows the Fiat in blue, no highlighted #44 & no evidence of 'Stan Allen's Fiat' (well not on the right of car). It does have white wheels with red centres. I suspect it is still 1958 & still Gorringe in the Wylie-Javelin, just not sure exactly when.

Stephen

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 07:25

There's been enough Baskerville material going up in recent days to justify it's own thread!!!!

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 08:06

Yes it is going on a bit James (I can't pretend I'm not a bit biased!) Nearly there though, thanks Stephen for your info from AMS - that certainly clarifies the dates. I don't have anything written in b/w, only what Bob Wright has said and what the photographer, Pat Smith has written on the slide, so I'm certainly not claiming to have bulletproof evidence. It does seem as though John Youl probably had a run in the car (maybe its first run as No 55) up the hill at Penguin, late in 1958, then re-painted it red by Longford 1959.



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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:05

Yes I know what your saying Rob - when I first looked at the Bask shot I thought Don Gorringe, not John Youl and it would have to be John driving the Porsche in the background, not Gavin by rights. Gets curly when its such a long time ago....Posted ImageCaption should read John Youl Penguin Hillclimb 1958 (as written on the slide)

This photo is definitely John Youl in the car. John was tallish but not as 'solid' as Don. So he obviously bought the car and had at least one run in it during 1958. I have from several sources that the Youls totally rebuilt the car. This would appear to be the case, as this 1958 hillclimb photo shows the car looking a bit on the tatty side, wheras it was quite smart in its red in 1959 appearances.

Also, I think the original caption of Trevallyn hillclimb is correct - this is definitely not Penguin (which I knew fairly well from wandering around whilst dad officiated in various capacities, starter for a while and later CAMS steward) - there were no fences or banks like that near the Penguin start line.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 21:44

Thanks Rob, this is all great info. I will change the caption when I put the images back on the website.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 03:42

I've got the Max Stahl race report in front of me, August 8th 1971. 32,000 people there - "Australia's mightiest race meeting - Bob Jane is champ". "By 9am there was a line of traffic stretching back to Liverpool 12 miles away......." In the report Max continues "on lap 41...an ordinary road going Valiant Pacer, doing about 40 mph, driven by a hatless, beltless, cigarette smoking dare0devil who for some fantastic reason had decided that here was his chance to be a star.
It says he had borrowed the car from the pit area, been turned back from one track entrance, then driven to the pit apron, past 3 policemen onto the track.
He only did one lap, but Moffat had to squeeze between him and Bill Fanning's Escort in a close run thing at Suttons. He pulled in at the control tower where Allan Horsley dragged him out of the car and "flung him into the arms of a nearby cop". Moffat was so off the air in his chase of Jane's Camaro that he didn't even see the Pacer apparently.
The traffic jam didn't clear till 12.30. Epic stuff.



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Posted 05 June 2011 - 03:48

You wanted a picture...you got a picture.

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A cropped image showing the 'ciggie', the aerial up, the ears showing &
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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:05

I wonder if RDL505 was ever subsequently sold with a "documented national class race history"? :)

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:45

1971 was an interesting year at Oran Park.

The next meeting after the rogue Valiant & the huge crowd, was on the 19th September , & the main race was the Toby Lee 100, a one hundred lap race, long for Oran Park.

Colin Bond started at the back of the grid, because he missed practice.

He was competing in the Snowy Rally on the Saturday night &, as I remember it, he won.

On arrival at OP, he drove the unpractised car from the back of the field to the front, & led a number of laps,
only to start breaking gears one by one, until eventually Doug Chivas, the best of the rest, caught him very close to the end,
even, if I remember it correctly, on the second last, or last lap.

For the Charger guys it was brilliant, but Bond had driven down to the rally, driven 300 miles et al to win that,
driven (or been driven) to the circuit in the morning, then raced 100 miles or so at Oran Park, only to have the car give up at the end.

It was one of those really heroic efforts.

My photos show some of the race & the aftermath, including Bob Morris's car which had been stuffed into the wall at the sweeper.

Colin Bond's appearance on the victory lap, was in honour of his efforts, I presume, but he certainly looks jaded, or should I suggest, simply knackered!!

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:55

1971 was an interesting year at Oran Park.

The next meeting after the rogue Valiant & the huge crowd, was on the 19th September , & the main race was the Toby Lee 100, a one hundred lap race, long for Oran Park.

Colin Bond started at the back of the grid, because he missed practice.

He was competing in the Snowy Rally on the Saturday night &, as I remember it, he won.

On arrival at OP, he drove the unpractised car from the back of the field to the front, & led a number of laps,
only to start breaking gears one by one, until eventually Doug Chivas, the best of the rest, caught him very close to the end,
even, if I remember it correctly, on the second last, or last lap.

For the Charger guys it was brilliant, but Bond had driven down to the rally, driven 300 miles et al to win that,
driven (or been driven) to the circuit in the morning, then raced 100 miles or so at Oran Park, only to have the car give up at the end.

It was one of those really heroic efforts.

My photos show some of the race & the aftermath, including Bob Morris's car which had been stuffed into the wall at the sweeper.

Colin Bond's appearance on the victory lap, was in honour of his efforts, I presume, but he certainly looks jaded, or should I suggest, simply knackered!!

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On the truck at the end are, from left: obligatory female attendant (presumably wearing a sponsors product ie a Toby Lee shirt), Fred Gibson,
Doug Chivas, Colin Bond, another obligatory female, & Leo Geoghegan.

Edited by lyntonh, 13 February 2012 - 04:52.


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:59

Oh, and if you look carefully, you can see that as he came through the field, he was not without bruises....
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Posted 05 June 2011 - 06:32

Probably that Toby Lee race.
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Different race but Colin Bond sure knew how to drive an XU1.
In those days you didn't need a concrete kerb to get a wheel in the air.
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Posted 05 June 2011 - 06:43

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I couldn't get a clear shot with the elbow to elbow crowd!
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#5341 Catalina Park

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 06:53

See, it was BP.  ;)

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 08:39

Now that's interesting - the 'stolen' Valiant had South Australian rego - 'RDL' plates, like Leo and Doug's Chargers which had 'RDM'. Wonder if it was a 'press' car or similar.

I remember those days, just. Bernie King's (or maybe Adrian Ryan's) exclamation of 'There's a Valiant on the track' I seem to remember.

Colin's gearbox failure was a selector, wasn't it? And the car rolled to a halt on the run up to the Dogleg on the last lap, allowing Doug Chivas past to win, in the Charger's first major appearance.



Bruce Moxon

Edited by brucemoxon, 05 June 2011 - 08:40.


#5343 Ellis French

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 09:07

This photo is definitely John Youl in the car. John was tallish but not as 'solid' as Don. So he obviously bought the car and had at least one run in it during 1958. I have from several sources that the Youls totally rebuilt the car. This would appear to be the case, as this 1958 hillclimb photo shows the car looking a bit on the tatty side, wheras it was quite smart in its red in 1959 appearances.

Also, I think the original caption of Trevallyn hillclimb is correct - this is definitely not Penguin (which I knew fairly well from wandering around whilst dad officiated in various capacities, starter for a while and later CAMS steward) - there were no fences or banks like that near the Penguin start line.



Some info from a learned friend of mine...

Quote from email....

John Youl bought the car in April 1958, won the Tas Hillclimb Championship in 1959. Sold in Victoria 1961 after sitting around for a year or so.

Don Gorringe ran the car at the Domain Hillclimb just prior to February 1958.

The Saturday 7 March after 1959 Longford GP Meeting, Youl ran the Wylie Javelin at Penguin Hillclimb and set the record at 43.seconds.

All from my records.
Randall.

My thoughts....
Its not Penguin and its definitely not Trevallyn or Muddy Creek or Hillwood or Poatina or Punchbowl
I would suggest its the Domain Hillclimb in Hobart just prior to Feb 58 which Gorringe entered. Youl may have had a test drive.
Youl purchased car in April 58 as Randall says and as has been already suggested may have had a prior drive.
The paling fence with the concrete posts were probably in proximity around the Governors residence at the time, near the start.

Edited by Ellis French, 05 June 2011 - 09:09.


#5344 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 09:45

Now that's interesting - the 'stolen' Valiant had South Australian rego - 'RDL' plates, like Leo and Doug's Chargers which had 'RDM'. Wonder if it was a 'press' car or similar.

I remember those days, just. Bernie King's (or maybe Adrian Ryan's) exclamation of 'There's a Valiant on the track' I seem to remember.

Colin's gearbox failure was a selector, wasn't it? And the car rolled to a halt on the run up to the Dogleg on the last lap, allowing Doug Chivas past to win, in the Charger's first major appearance.



Bruce Moxon

All of the show cars and racecars were SA reg, the factory was in SA.


#5345 ellrosso

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 10:04

Could be Ellis, I just wonder if they would have stripped Gorringe's No 66 off and replaced it with Youl's No 55 for a test run though. Pat has Domain shots in this batch with McHugh's Allard and Max Stephens Cooper T39 but she has clearly marked those as Domain H/c and the Javelin shot plus a number of others as Penguin H/c. Here are some of the other shots marked as Penguin - don't know whether they ring any bells for you or Rob. The only hillclimb I ever went to was Ridgeway so I can't help out (although I know the Domain pretty well - could be down near Govt House)
Posted Image Ignore the Trevallyn H/c caption - it has Penguin on slide.
Posted ImageJock Walkem Cooper


#5346 Ellis French

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 10:10

[quote name='ellrosso' date='Jun 5 2011, 11:04' post='5079360']
Could be Ellis, I just wonder if they would have stripped Gorringe's No 66 off and replaced it with Youl's No 55 for a test run though. Pat has Domain shots in this batch with McHugh's Allard and Max Stephens Cooper T39 but she has clearly marked those as Domain H/c and the Javelin shot plus a number of others as Penguin H/c. Here are some of the other shots marked as Penguin - don't know whether they ring any bells for you or Rob. The only hillclimb I ever went to was Ridgeway so I can't help out (although I know the Domain pretty well - could be down near Govt House)


Background appears to be Trevallyn
Thats Smed in white closest to Camera in the 2nd pic

Edit...
Asked Smed ....as with Youl pic he doesnt recall where startline is but looks to be the same as Youl pic.
The Walkem pic maybe at the Launceston Elphin showgrounds where they ran demos on Show days after the Grand Parade...he said he can still smell the cattle.........

Edited by Ellis French, 07 June 2011 - 00:30.


#5347 brucemoxon

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 10:30

All of the show cars and racecars were SA reg, the factory was in SA.


Yeah, that's what I meant.

Now, wasn't the ATCC final also the day Leo demonstrated the Charger for the first time? I remember his son (Sean?) (with whom I used to play at the races - we were of an age and our Dads were friendly) kept saying 'triple Weber carburettors' as a little bit of doggerel.

So the Valiant might have been part of that whole thing?



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Posted 05 June 2011 - 11:12

I've just spent some time going through some 1958 Sports Car World issues. It would appear Don Gorringe ran the Wylie-Javelin for at least the first 3 Baskerville meetings - February 9th, March 9th & April 13th (if I've got them all correct). The SCW reports were written by Doug Blain, before he became editor of SCW.

While this was going on John Youl was running the red 356. This was also ex Gorringe and carried Tasmanian rego number 'WXH 879'. He ran it at Port Wakefield's April 5th meeting, winning a race, a second in another and fastest laps in each, with the #56 Porsche. Getting noticed by the South Australians in the process.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 11:38

Some info from a learned friend of mine...

Quote from email....

John Youl bought the car in April 1958, won the Tas Hillclimb Championship in 1959. Sold in Victoria 1961 after sitting around for a year or so.

Don Gorringe ran the car at the Domain Hillclimb just prior to February 1958.

The Saturday 7 March after 1959 Longford GP Meeting, Youl ran the Wylie Javelin at Penguin Hillclimb and set the record at 43.seconds.

All from my records.
Randall.

My thoughts....
Its not Penguin and its definitely not Trevallyn or Muddy Creek or Hillwood or Poatina or Punchbowl
I would suggest its the Domain Hillclimb in Hobart just prior to Feb 58 which Gorringe entered. Youl may have had a test drive.
Youl purchased car in April 58 as Randall says and as has been already suggested may have had a prior drive.
The paling fence with the concrete posts were probably in proximity around the Governors residence at the time, near the start.



I have received a second opinion ....from Geoff Dodge who says it is the old start line for the Domain Hillclimb.
The paling fence surrounded a Police residence near Govt House from his memory.
The event may have been another Domain event post Feb that Gorringe entered to be just after Youl bought it in April hence the Youl number.
I dont have the dates for the Domain Hillclimbs.

Edit...
and now a 3rd opinion with pics from an 8 year later period..1966....
I have pics...not mine ..of the start line at Penguin Hillclimb taken looking up hill from the startline with the Elliot Mustang and Anglia and a similar paling fence in the correct position. The bank has been freshly excavated for roadworks but its fairly good evidence.
See what else transpires.
Youl pic...I have asked Smed but he doesnt recall the fence. He said its probably an LCCT event as he recognises the timing start equipment.
He does recall the car and year as he did some work on car for John Youl soon after its purchase from Gorringe and while it was still Yellow..

Edited by Ellis French, 07 June 2011 - 00:22.


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 21:56

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Now, wasn't the ATCC final also the day Leo demonstrated the Charger for the first time? I remember his son (Sean?) (with whom I used to play at the races - we were of an age and our Dads were friendly) kept saying 'triple Weber carburettors' as a little bit of doggerel.

So the Valiant might have been part of that whole thing?



BM

All I can remember is that Pacers came out soon after the VH release and Chargers were several months behind them. And once the Charger arrived Chrysler's sale of Pacers just about stopped.I dont think I have ever seen a Pacer with later than a 71 compliance plate.
I traded one in about 81 that was basically E49 spec but that was done by the owner.