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#6151 VecSpeed

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 05:32

I mucked this up before, and no doubt it is posted elsewhere ...sorry I cannot find it :-)
Anyway, I was scanning some old slides and came across this pic of an old racetrack and thought
that someone here might be able to give a clue as to where it is.
Not much to go on, but the start line might give it away.



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#6152 eldougo

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 05:37

Wanneroo Perth WA.

#6153 VecSpeed

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 08:12

Thanks for that.
Makes sense as there were other slides from WA, but unfortunately no more of the track ):

Wanneroo Perth WA.



#6154 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:18

That's after the start/finish line was moved to its present location...

The change took place in the mid to late seventies, but I wouldn't be surprised if this pic is from the eighties or nineties.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 23:05

Sadly the tower is no longer there, it was bulldozed to make way for the new V8 pits.

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#6156 lyntonh

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 10:55

The sum total of my Morgan shots from 1969 -1971.

Warwick Farm 12th July 1969
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Warwick Farm 6th September 1969
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Catalina Park 24th January 1970
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(He's there if you look!!)

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Warwick Farm 2nd May 1971
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This shot has been heavily paint-brushed in Photoshop in recent days to remove a rather embarrassing finger print.
The area around the back of the car is still effected by several unintended black blotches,
& some rather patchy repairs are visible on the road behind the car. A work in progress, I feel.....

You can see the original on the Photographer's thread
http://forums.autosp...w...t&p=5447007

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 20:52

Is there DAYLIGHT under the front wheels in the last photo??????

Those crossings were bumpy, but the front tyres appear to be off the bitumen. :eek:

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 22:42

Is there DAYLIGHT under the front wheels in the last photo??????

Those crossings were bumpy, but the front tyres appear to be off the bitumen. :eek:



There were two reasons I enjoyed photographing at the northern crossing....

The back light in the afternoon, & the way the cars became airborne as they hit the front edge of the crossing.

Several examples from the same meeting in May 1971.

a couple of the shots are iffy, but they show what I was trying to get....

Barry Sharp
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Iain Corness .... two wheeling
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Alan Hamilton .... going up
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Alan Hamilton .... coming down ... with a crunch
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#6159 VecSpeed

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 03:19

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This shot has been heavily paint-brushed in Photoshop in recent days to remove a rather embarrassing finger print.
The area around the back of the car is still effected by several unintended black blotches,
& some rather patchy repairs are visible on the road behind the car. A work in progress, I feel.....


Hope you don't mind , had some spare time today and had a play with it
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#6160 lyntonh

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 04:21

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This shot has been heavily paint-brushed in Photoshop in recent days to remove a rather embarrassing finger print.
The area around the back of the car is still effected by several unintended black blotches,
& some rather patchy repairs are visible on the road behind the car. A work in progress, I feel.....


Hope you don't mind , had some spare time today and had a play with it
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Go your hardest....

The way you've repainted the line on the edge of the road & the Armco is impressive.

There was a time when I would have attempted to retouch the white bits, like the rear wheel & the white lines, on a darkroom print....

Doing the road surface that way...now that's a different matter!!

#6161 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 20:56

Lynton, those are great shots to demonstrate the 'joys' of the Northern Crossing...

Though it all added to the challenge that was Warwick Farm, of course. Unfortunately there are no shots with the Chrysler Royal in the background.

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 22:12

Lynton, those are great shots to demonstrate the 'joys' of the Northern Crossing...

Though it all added to the challenge that was Warwick Farm, of course. Unfortunately there are no shots with the Chrysler Royal in the background.


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No Chrysler Royal, I'm afraid, but Digby Cooke's doing his bird impression.



#6163 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 22:22

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No Chrysler Royal, I'm afraid, but Digby Cooke's doing his bird impression.

Gee and I thought that I had to do rallycross to get air under the car!
That pic of Hamilton makes that place look a bit scarey!

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 04:41

Thanks for these GREAT photos lyntonh.
This is a young Ken Ward about 1969 /70 when he fitted the big wheels to keep up with the completion of the day.

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#6165 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 11:01

Originally posted by Lee Nicolle
.....That pic of Hamilton makes that place look a bit scary!


And there was also the noise the cars made as they came crashing across there...

But I don't think there was anything particularly scary about it. If anything, it probably helped their turn-in to the faster set of esses that led to the Causeway, but it probably made it require greater precision.

Eldouglas... those look like pretty expensive wheels! And it's hard to reconcile the older Ken Ward I got to know in the eighties with this young tyro.

And one of the other pics of him turned up on another forum yesterday...

#6166 lyntonh

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 08:59

And there was also the noise the cars made as they came crashing across there...

But I don't think there was anything particularly scary about it. If anything, it probably helped their turn-in to the faster set of esses that led to the Causeway, but it probably made it require greater precision.

Eldouglas... those look like pretty expensive wheels! And it's hard to reconcile the older Ken Ward I got to know in the eighties with this young tyro.

And one of the other pics of him turned up on another forum yesterday...


Is it one of mine?

If it is, it's nice that they see it as good enough to use.

I wouldn't mind having a look on that forum, just for interest.

Email the link if you want to be discreet.

I stopped worrying about the photo-ownership issue when the Herald used my picture of Graham Wood in his obituary.

I would just like the chance to actually see my stuff when it's used.






#6167 lyntonh

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 09:42

Bathurst 1971...some open wheelers...

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Ron Reid Sulman Singer
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Leo Geoghegan Lotus 59 wearing number 1
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#6168 Lola5000

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 09:53

What was the motor in Leo's Lotus 59?

#6169 ellrosso

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 10:48

Waggott 2.0 FVA from memory.

#6170 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 13:01

Originally posted by lyntonh
Is it one of mine?

If it is, it's nice that they see it as good enough to use.

I wouldn't mind having a look on that forum, just for interest.

Email the link if you want to be discreet.

I stopped worrying about the photo-ownership issue when the Herald used my picture of Graham Wood in his obituary.

I would just like the chance to actually see my stuff when it's used.


Here you go:

http://www.hemi6pack...-the-Day/page94?

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:02

Great Photos ....Lyntonh.

Car No21 Ken ward........... Rennmax Ford
No71 Owen Jones........Elfin Ford
No16 T.Chappell .........Wren Ford
No 15 Ian Fergusson....Bowin Ford.
No 34 G.Shortland..... Geneer Vee

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 13:00

Is it one of mine?

If it is, it's nice that they see it as good enough to use.

I wouldn't mind having a look on that forum, just for interest.

Email the link if you want to be discreet.

I stopped worrying about the photo-ownership issue when the Herald used my picture of Graham Wood in his obituary.

I would just like the chance to actually see my stuff when it's used.

What a sensational attitude Lynton. :clap: Thank you. :)

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 23:25

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Stewart Anderson in a Mako Vee (had to look some other proof photos to work out the car number was 4).

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#6174 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 04:16

Originally posted by eldougo
.....No 16 T. Chappell .........Wren Ford.....


"Wren Corolla" according to the entries... and it has alloy wheels, so it's no longer a Formula Ford.

Behind Graham Shortland in the Vee is Ian Cook in the Nota Renault F2 car...

Two FFs, 78 is Mike Ryves in the Hustler; 44 is Richard Carter in the Lynx he drove before he got the Hustler.

The top pic has me wondering, two possibilities, Ray Winter's Rennmax or Gordon Crawford's Brabham.

A good selection, anyway.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 05:55

"Wren Corolla" according to the entries... and it has alloy wheels, so it's no longer a Formula Ford.

Behind Graham Shortland in the Vee is Ian Cook in the Nota Renault F2 car...

Two FFs, 78 is Mike Ryves in the Hustler; 44 is Richard Carter in the Lynx he drove before he got the Hustler.

The top pic has me wondering, two possibilities, Ray Winter's Rennmax or Gordon Crawford's Brabham.

A good selection, anyway.

agree my Bathurst book points to either Winter or Crawford,pity the race number is unreadable either 30 or 32,but then agian36 was C.Farrell in a Brabham -Ford.
Its not a traditional Brabham nose.

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#6176 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:34

No, I'm pretty sure it's not the tooth fairy...

As I recall, his car had a stripe around the nose. But I could be wrong. Streak would know.

#6177 Paul Hamilton

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:34

agree my Bathurst book points to either Winter or Crawford,pity the race number is unreadable either 30 or 32,but then agian36 was C.Farrell in a Brabham -Ford.
Its not a traditional Brabham nose.



It is definitely not Chris Farrell and I doubt that it is Ray Winter either so I guess my vote goes for Gordon Crawford.

Ian Cook's Nota Renault was an F3 car not F2.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 10:11

"Wren Corolla" according to the entries... and it has alloy wheels, so it's no longer a Formula Ford.

A good selection, anyway.


I would suggest possibly never a F/F. The wheels are Renyolds Engineering and likely to have come with the car at new. For those who may not know, Wren = Bill Reynolds = Reynolds Engineering of St Kilda in Vic. Bodywork or at least the molds probably by Graham Gilbert.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 10:46

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While we've got the some open wheeler enthusiasm going....did this photo get a name?

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#6180 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 14:44

Originally posted by Paul Hamilton
.....Ian Cook's Nota Renault was an F3 car not F2.


1100cc was F2, but became F3...

By 1971, of course, it was certainly F3. And I think it was a 1300cc class limit by then.

When did the formulae change titles, anyway? Formula Junior became ANF2 and then it became ANF3. The 1500cc cars were given their own class (1964?) called ANF1½, it became ANF2 at some stage and grew to 1600cc.

Looking at the Records, Titles and Awards section of the CAMS Manual, it seems clear that 1964 is the year of the creation of ANF1½, which makes sense as that was the first year of ANF1, and there was an ANF2 Championship that year as well. Then in 1969 the ANF2 title was revived and the ANF1½ title was last run in 1968. But the ANF2 Championship included 4-valve engines in 1969 and 1970 (won by Max Stewart) before they were pared off to be part of the ANF1 scene and the 2-valve ANF2 came into being in 1971.

The only thing that doesn't answer is when ANF3 went to 1300cc (wasn't that the same year as the Clubman formula changed too?).

Lynton, what meeting is that one?

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 20:28

1100cc was F2, but became F3...

By 1971, of course, it was certainly F3. And I think it was a 1300cc class limit by then.

When did the formulae change titles, anyway? Formula Junior became ANF2 and then it became ANF3. The 1500cc cars were given their own class (1964?) called ANF1½, it became ANF2 at some stage and grew to 1600cc.

Looking at the Records, Titles and Awards section of the CAMS Manual, it seems clear that 1964 is the year of the creation of ANF1½, which makes sense as that was the first year of ANF1, and there was an ANF2 Championship that year as well. Then in 1969 the ANF2 title was revived and the ANF1½ title was last run in 1968. But the ANF2 Championship included 4-valve engines in 1969 and 1970 (won by Max Stewart) before they were pared off to be part of the ANF1 scene and the 2-valve ANF2 came into being in 1971.

The only thing that doesn't answer is when ANF3 went to 1300cc (wasn't that the same year as the Clubman formula changed too?).

Lynton, what meeting is that one?


Easter Bathurst 1971 Practice


#6182 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 20:33

No, you misunderstood... or I didn't ask correctly...

The one at Warwick Farm.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 20:58

No, you misunderstood... or I didn't ask correctly...

The one at Warwick Farm.



6th September 1969


#6184 Paul Hamilton

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 22:31

1100cc was F2, but became F3...

By 1971, of course, it was certainly F3. And I think it was a 1300cc class limit by then.

When did the formulae change titles, anyway? Formula Junior became ANF2 and then it became ANF3. The 1500cc cars were given their own class (1964?) called ANF1½, it became ANF2 at some stage and grew to 1600cc.

Looking at the Records, Titles and Awards section of the CAMS Manual, it seems clear that 1964 is the year of the creation of ANF1½, which makes sense as that was the first year of ANF1, and there was an ANF2 Championship that year as well. Then in 1969 the ANF2 title was revived and the ANF1½ title was last run in 1968. But the ANF2 Championship included 4-valve engines in 1969 and 1970 (won by Max Stewart) before they were pared off to be part of the ANF1 scene and the 2-valve ANF2 came into being in 1971.

The only thing that doesn't answer is when ANF3 went to 1300cc (wasn't that the same year as the Clubman formula changed too?).

Lynton, what meeting is that one?


Ray, ANF3 went to 1300cc in 1972. It had lost the ANF2 lable in 1969 when the former ANF 1.5 litre formula became 1600cc ANF2. That included 4 valve engines up to 1971 when a two valve limit was introduced at around the same time as in several of the SE Asian events such as the Singapore and Macau GPs.

I am not sure just when the formal clubman capacity limit was reduced to 1300cc but it made little difference in NSW as, for many years, all the front runners continued to use 1600cc engines.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 00:39

Looking at the Records, Titles and Awards section of the CAMS Manual, it seems clear that 1964 is the year of the creation of ANF1½, which makes sense as that was the first year of ANF1, and there was an ANF2 Championship that year as well.


1964 is definitely correct for ANF1 and ANF2 (or ANF 2.5 and ANF 1.5 as Ray says) creation, co-inciding with the first Tasman Championship for ANF1. The main difference between this and the previous formula,, which was really libre as it was undefined(?) was that the capacity limit became 2.5 litre. previously it was unlimited. Thus all the Climax engine runners had to convert their 2.6 and 2.7 litre engines back to 2.5 litres. It was also the end of things like the Scarab Buick engine that Arnold Glass ran, due to the capacity restriction.

#6186 Wirra

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:48

This question was asked on another forum, with no positive replies... Any TNFer know?

In the Aust Tourist Trophy 1965 at Lakeside two cobras were entered. One by Shelby America CSX3002 driver Ken Miles the other by Ron Thorps Bargain Barn driver Ron Thorp. The 427 retired due to upper suspension problems(did its last lap on three tyres and one halibrand I can't remember or find where the 289 finished. The race was won by Ian Geoghegan in a Lotus23B.

There is a mention of the race and a photo of Ken Miles somewhere on this board but I can't seem to find it.


#6187 Tim Murray

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:12

It's earlier in this thread - first posted here and then identified and expanded upon by Ray:

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And November 1965... the day the ground shook in Kurwongbah!

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I can personally guarantee that the people there in that corner of the spectator area inside the circuit could feel as much as they could see and hear as Miles in the Cobra boomed out of the Karrussell. It was a sensational car and made a huge impression that day... while it lasted. That's Jane's lightweight E-type in the background. And if anyone wonders why it was called the 'Ant Hill':

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Miles closing on Glynn Scott in Ann Thompson's 15.



#6188 Tim Murray

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:34

... and this seems to explain what happened to the other Cobra - from this site:

Back in November 1965, Lakeside held the Australian Tourist Trophy race and Ron was one of the many entrants with his Cobra. Also of note in that race was the appearance of the Shelby American 427 race Cobra CSX3002 with Ken Miles at the wheel. This was the first and only time two race Cobras were ever on an Australian track at the same time. Ron ran practise and then qualifying, but then the local scrutineers came up and told him the car was not eligible to run under the rules. Basically the front tyres were slightly proud of the body work, not to the letter of the rules as they read it. However they told Ron he could run the car if he taped some wooden coat hangers to the guards, making them wide enough to fit the rule. Ron had been racing all over Australia under the same rules with no issues before and could not believe what he was hearing. He nicely told them to go jump, packing the Cobra up and understandably never returning to the Qld track.



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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:45

Thanks Tim.

The story reminds me of why I lost interest in competing!

Edited by Wirra, 22 December 2011 - 08:18.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:03

Thanks Tim.

The story reminds me of why I lost interest in competing!

It reminds me of my almost identical run-in with scrutineers at Amaroo Park - around 1980. Never had a problem, until then.

The side walls were about 10mm proud of the body-work, but the 'tread' [they were slicks] were within the guards. My argument was that if there was a slight 'brushing' of the Armco, there would probably be no fibre-glass flying. The scrutineer said it was a safety issue, to stop debris from the track flying off the tyres.

When I asked "What about open-wheelers?", he asked for my log book, and made sure that it was documented.........you can't win. :rolleyes:


#6191 Lola5000

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:11

Thanks Tim.

The story reminds me of why I lost interest in competing!

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#6192 Lola5000

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:14

It reminds me of my almost identical run-in with scrutineers at Amaroo Park - around 1980. Never had a problem, until then.

The side walls were about 10mm proud of the body-work, but the 'tread' [they were slicks] were within the guards. My argument was that if there was a slight 'brushing' of the Armco, there would probably be no fibre-glass flying. The scrutineer said it was a safety issue, to stop debris from the track flying off the tyres.

When I asked "What about open-wheelers?", he asked for my log book, and made sure that it was documented.........you can't win. :rolleyes:

when they wrote in my log books,i would just write in a meeting and sign,thus at ther next meeting it looked all ok.
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#6193 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:18

There is a lot of us in the same situation. Too many little Hitlers who dont use either commonsense or the ability to read a CAMS manual.
Like many others they diminished my enthusiasm for the sport. Every meeting was a stress session about bullshit things, the joke of it was the car along side me had the same imagined faults but with no problems on several occasions.Not safety ever, but imagined aero faults, rims, tyres, engine.
My car was deemed to be too fast!! An old car should not go that fast. Or it seems piss off you are not wanted.
I won a lot at state level and made up the numbers in top 10 at national so really I never could see the reason.

#6194 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 19:15

Ah... the old Queensland scrutineers problem...

They ruined the ATCC at Lakeside in 1964 by forcing drivers to change the type of tyres they fitted, they needed to do things exactly by the written rule and found some obscure authority who could tell the world that everything entrants had done until then was wrong.

#6195 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 19:25

Originally posted by Paul Hamilton
.....I am not sure just when the formal clubman capacity limit was reduced to 1300cc but it made little difference in NSW as, for many years, all the front runners continued to use 1600cc engines.


Your memory is failing you, Paul...

Ask David Seldon about this some time, or even John O'Brien. And remember when Devine and Pavic brought their Farrells up to Warwick Farm?

#6196 Paul Hamilton

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 20:27

Your memory is failing you, Paul...

Ask David Seldon about this some time, or even John O'Brien. And remember when Devine and Pavic brought their Farrells up to Warwick Farm?


Ray, my recollection is that when the 1300cc limit was first introduced in the early 70s the clubman fields in NSW remained dominated by 1600cc cars. There were certainly a few quick 1300 visitors from south of the border on occasians and JO'B and Seldo came along a little later but, at least initially, events such as the Geoghegan series remained dominated by the larger engined cars. The general view in NSW was that the 1300cc limit made no sense when an off the shelf Lotus Super 7 had a larger engine than that and those cars made up the bulk of the fields. It took some time for cars with well developed 1300 engines and more sophisticated chassis to get to the front.

#6197 Paul Hamilton

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 20:27

Your memory is failing you, Paul...

Ask David Seldon about this some time, or even John O'Brien. And remember when Devine and Pavic brought their Farrells up to Warwick Farm?


Ray, my recollection is that when the 1300cc limit was first introduced in the early 70s the clubman fields in NSW remained dominated by 1600cc cars. There were certainly a few quick 1300 visitors from south of the border on occasians and JO'B and Seldo came along a little later but, at least initially, events such as the Geoghegan series remained dominated by the larger engined cars. The general view in NSW was that the 1300cc limit made no sense when an off the shelf Lotus Super 7 had a larger engine than that and those cars made up the bulk of the fields. It took some time for cars with well developed 1300 engines and more sophisticated chassis to get to the front.

#6198 Wirra

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 06:53

Thanks for these GREAT photos lyntonh.
This is a young Ken Ward about 1969 /70 when he fitted the big wheels to keep up with the completion of the day.

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From the S Fryer shoebox collection
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#6199 Wirra

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 07:00

Some lesser quality images of the Fair Deal Car Sales Torana (Digby?). From the S Fryer shoebox collection.

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You can see how all that jumping around at the Northern Crossing unsettled the cars.
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Posted 23 December 2011 - 07:29

It reminds me of my almost identical run-in with scrutineers at Amaroo Park - around 1980. Never had a problem, until then.

The side walls were about 10mm proud of the body-work, but the 'tread' [they were slicks] were within the guards. My argument was that if there was a slight 'brushing' of the Armco, there would probably be no fibre-glass flying. The scrutineer said it was a safety issue, to stop debris from the track flying off the tyres.

When I asked "What about open-wheelers?", he asked for my log book, and made sure that it was documented.........you can't win. :rolleyes:



A mate of mine was rallying a Datsun. Some scrutineer decided the mud flaps were one millimetre (literally) too far off the ground.

So, rather than buy $60 of poly sheeting and cut it up and attach it to the car, they got one of the service crew to sit in the boot while the came back to scrutineering and got it remeasured.

And then there were the bits of fibro in the leaf springs to get up to minimum ride height (touring car). Mesothelioma due any time now, I'd say.




Bruce Moxon