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#6351 GMACKIE

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 23:21

Pete cast a big shadow.......especially when he was in a furniture truck.

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#6352 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 23:37

David Shaw...

Unfortunately there is no report in RCN on the truck race! But you look to be quite right there, there seems to be another truck lurking out of our sight.

Being such a short shadow, it could well be a little crossed up too!

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:35

David Shaw...

...But you look to be quite right there, there seems to be another truck lurking out of our sight.

Being such a short shadow, it could well be a little crossed up too!

Maybe he was going too fast to leave much of a shadow........

#6354 GeoffR

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 02:58

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I wonder how long this lasted before the diff blew up?!

#6355 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 04:42

I'm pretty sure the Elan isn't Macarthur's...

Pat Hogan and his partner (whose name I simply cannot remember) had theirs by then, I think it's in the dark blue as purchased from Bob Beasley.

The white car is undoubtedly the David Moline Elfin Streamliner, you can see the 'Ian Hindmarsh Motors' line along the side, David was in thick with Ian Hindmarsh (and died with him when the boat went down?).

The shot of Cribbin at Oran Park is clearly in practice, he actually won a race at that meeting, though Richard Carter finished on his tail and got fastest lap.

Seldo, the beauty of Lynton's shots is that they're all-encompassing, the top line drivers, the backmarkers and anything interesting. We do owe him greatly for this stuff!

Agreed about Lyntons pics.

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 25 January 2012 - 04:45.


#6356 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 04:47

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I wonder how long this lasted before the diff blew up?!

Thats an Arrow, never seen one of those put in an appearance at a racetrack, usually Grunters.I cannot remember the differences these days but from memory Grunters were 1750 and Arrows were 1600. Anyone?

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 25 January 2012 - 04:48.


#6357 GeoffR

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 04:55

Arrow, Hunter, Royal 660 & Hustler were all the same basic car from memory, with only cosmetic differences between them. Pretty sure they all had the 1725cc engine. They had one other thing in common, they were all p.o.s!

Edited by GeoffR, 25 January 2012 - 04:56.


#6358 johnny yuma

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 05:08

Arrow, Hunter, Royal 660 & Hustler were all the same basic car from memory, with only cosmetic differences between them. Pretty sure they all had the 1725cc engine. They had one other thing in common, they were all p.o.s!

I'm no Hillman fan,but they did take out the London to Sydney Marathon in 1968 in a Hunter ,after a couple of drunk off-duty members of " NSW finest " crashed their mini head-on into Lucien Bianchi's leading Citroen near Nowra on a supposedly closed section of road.

#6359 GeoffR

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 05:11

I'm no Hillman fan,but they did take out the London to Sydney Marathon in 1968 in a Hunter

Which was the main reason I purchased one not long afterwards, much to my later regret. I did have a close look at the marathon Hunter sometime later and about the only common thing between it and mine was the shape of the bodyshell!


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#6360 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 05:31

It had a Hillman engine and box, IIRC, but one with an overdrive...

I don't remember what diff it had, but it wasn't original. And I'm also sure that all the Arrows and Hunters had the 1725cc 5-bearing engine.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:07

It had a Hillman engine and box, IIRC, but one with an overdrive...

I don't remember what diff it had, but it wasn't original. And I'm also sure that all the Arrows and Hunters had the 1725cc 5-bearing engine.


The Rootes Grp 1725cc platform, in NZ, included Hillman (Hunter,) Singer ( Vogue) Sunbeam (Alpine and Rapier) all were essentially the same mechanically. Hunters were popular as 'reps' cars and were probably no worse than most other British cars of that genre, in the mid and late 60's through the early 70's.
Certainly they were perceived as being slightly more 'up-market' than similarly sized Ford and BMC products

#6362 Pat Clarke

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:22

I read somewhere the London to Sydney Hillman Hunter had an Aston Martin Differential.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:28

I read somewhere the London to Sydney Hillman Hunter had an Aston Martin Differential.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 06:34


The Arrow only ran from May 1967 to Nov 1968. It was simply the Hunters poor brother lacking carpet,wheel trims, arm rests and trivial chrome work. The easiest ID was the round headlights as against the Hunters rectangular. Mechanically they were the same.



#6365 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 07:17

I still think the 1600 from the Gazelle was there somewhere. But then those things never interested me though from memory the Hustler had some engine mods and lary stripes. Royals were Regal equivilant. I owned one, traded it Friday and it found a new home the following day and made me $50! And I never drove it.

In the late 80s the wrecker that gave me some sponsorship used to tell people to leave them at the back gate and they would take them in. Thermostat housings were about the only thing that ever sold and they would go to scrap only removing one part.
HB Toranas were gearboxes only.
Scrap was not worth the money it is now though.

#6366 GeoffR

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 07:29

The easiest ID was the round headlights as against the Hunters rectangular. Mechanically they were the same.

My Hunter definitely had round headlights so maybe that is the other way around (Hunter=round, Arrow=rectangular)?
I seem to recall that the Marathon Hunter's engine was the alloy headed version (a la Hunter GT), and the rear axle was the UK Atlas(?), as fitted to Escorts etc. Overall the resemblance between mine and it was superficial.
Lee, I'm sure the wreckers would have had a ready market for diffs as well.

Edited by GeoffR, 25 January 2012 - 07:31.


#6367 lyntonh

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 07:41

Oran Park 9th August 1969 .... not that sharp, but gives us Len Atlee.
I love the Imp lifting the left front....

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Does the second picture constitute the ultimate for Hillman / Chrysler watchers ?

#6368 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 08:34

Yep...

Everything on the Holden's been closed down!

Hunters definitely had square headlights, but they ran for a while and had at least two different grilles. The grille section in one model was an extrusion they shared with the VG Valiant and one model of International ACCO trucks.

The holes that were stamped out of the extrusion to give airflow for the Hillman radiator were identical to those stamped out for the ACCO, but the VG had an extra set of holes at each end.

I have pictures if anyone wants...

#6369 GeoffR

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 08:48

Hunters definitely had square headlights
I have pictures if anyone wants...

So do I ...
Circa 1970, my Hunter with round headlights.
And it definitely was a Hunter, for example Arrows had bench seats, this had buckets.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:10


Sorry, my memory told me lies, so I dug up the old Dealers Guide and it appears the 1st series (May 67- Nov 68) both had round h/lights. The 2nd series (Nov 68) saw the rectangular h/lights in the Hunter and the Arrow discontinued.

So the theory was if it had square h/lights it couldn't be an Arrow, but if it had round h/lights it was the early series, and could be either.






Edited by wagons46, 25 January 2012 - 22:29.


#6371 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:25

Arrows were rectangular lights and Grunters round. Though in the end I reckon the Hustlers had a different rectangular light,,VG VH style and RT Charger style driving lights.After that I forget and dont care. Some were bench and 4 on the column. 30-40 years ago I saw a lot go around and around at the auctions. About the same time I bought 3 year old VEs for $500.
I think Geoffs pic proves the round lights.

#6372 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:42

The pics I have are of the grille sections...

Both from the VG and from the Inter.

#6373 ellrosso

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:19

Yes they all had the 1725cc engine, the Hustler had twin carbs from memory and paint-outs etc in an attempt to get young buyers interested - didn't work particularly well though.
Bit like buying a Marina Coupe at the time. My uncle bought a Hunter too Geoff, probably on the back of Cowan's win I'd imagine. Very uninspiring car.....

#6374 ellrosso

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:25

Len Atlee was a top bike racer in the 60's from memory.

#6375 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:34

The ordinary Hunter was ordinary...

The Hunter GT and the Hunter Hustler were the 'sporty' models with twin carbies and alloy heads. The Hustler had the blacked out panels.

#6376 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:42

The ordinary Hunter was ordinary...

The Hunter GT and the Hunter Hustler were the 'sporty' models with twin carbies and alloy heads. The Hustler had the blacked out panels.

Sounds right, I think they all had alloy heads but the Hustler was the Junior Pacer with all the stripes and go fast bits.

#6377 GeoffR

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:50

My uncle bought a Hunter too Geoff, probably on the back of Cowan's win I'd imagine. Very uninspiring car.....

Ellrosso, as the pic I posted above may indicate I tried to turn mine into an 'inspiring' car - bored to 1800, twin inch and a half SUs, extractors, P&P head, Waggott cam, balanced etc. Was a pretty quick 4 cyl back then, but the appetite for diffs was unbelievable. And oh for an alloy head engine, although mine would annhilate a GT/Hustler.
And it did 'race' from time to time, Berri 1/8 mile drags, Kerang 1/4 mile drags, and numerous street races in the back blocks of Mildura.

Edited by GeoffR, 25 January 2012 - 10:57.


#6378 seldo

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:58

So do I ...
Circa 1970, my Hunter with round headlights.
And it definitely was a Hunter, for example Arrows had bench seats, this had buckets.

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Nice colour-match on the doors... was the painter blind...;)

#6379 GeoffR

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 11:09

Let's just say that what I could afford back then (flared guards etc) was not necessarily 'professional' level. All I was worried about was how fast it would go!

Edited by GeoffR, 25 January 2012 - 11:22.


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#6380 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 12:00

And undoubtedly you had the famous fluid leak from the base of the strut?

The one that comes from where the tube goes into the forging...

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 21:05

Oran Park 9th August 1969 .... not that sharp, but gives us Len Atlee.
I love the Imp lifting the left front....

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Does the second picture constitute the ultimate for Hillman / Chrysler watchers ?

thats a great pic

Edited by pknowles, 25 January 2012 - 21:10.


#6382 Pat Clarke

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:25

And the 'humpy' on the hill has the bonnet and boot closed! ;-)

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#6383 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:33

As mentioned in post 6368...

But are we sure that it has been closed down? Or has it simply not yet been opened?

Only Lynton can check the neg numbers and tell us!

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:10

As mentioned in post 6368...

But are we sure that it has been closed down? Or has it simply not yet been opened?

Only Lynton can check the neg numbers and tell us!


Only open during the sports cars....& that was before the series production practice....

I have around seventy shots taken that day....all from that spot....
& the array on the mound varies....with several cars coming & going.

I'll post a sequence later to keep you all amused....

but not all seventy!!

#6385 lyntonh

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:17

These two were posted back in August 2010, but at smaller scale.

Go your hardest with the background here....Amaroo Park 31st May 1970
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#6386 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 07:41

The Vee guys will love you for that, Lynton...

And maybe some Clubman types as well. And is that Tony Ward's Anglia in there?

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:36

Maybe Wayne Rogerson or Russell Kramer in the Falcon sports sedan and Brian Foley in the Porsche. I think I can see a Jay Bee clubman in the pit area.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:06

It's a bit like 'Where's Wally'.

Can't see my Vee, but I was there. Berni Haenle, Renmax #1; Peter Wilson, Nota Clubman, #72; Bob Beasley, Bowin P4, #6; Jim Bayliss, Jay Bee Clubman, #13.

#6389 brucemoxon

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:38

Fred Gibson's Falcon and R&T Chev over the back...

How about some hi-res blow-ups to ID the Vees?





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#6390 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:31

And a Bellet GT and a couple of Ovlovs on the hill above.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:32

These two were posted back in August 2010, but at smaller scale.

Go your hardest with the background here....Amaroo Park 31st May 1970
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Excellent! Just love the paddock views!


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Posted 26 January 2012 - 19:49

In the shot of the Falcon, you can see the 911 from the other shot either back in the pits, or yet to go out.

And that Anglia - might it be Phil Ward?




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Posted 26 January 2012 - 20:03

Looks like John Goss Tornado Ford near the top of shot too. Great shots Lynton - keep them coming.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 22:53

Great photos Lynton.
First photo behind the MGB #143 looks like the NSU sports sedan that ran for a while in NSW.
That white Volvo with the 4 lights looks familiar (ARDC man that worked in the tower). unknown name John????
#72 looks like John Sexton Clubman.
Lotus Europa & next to it Paul Hamilton Tuner maybe.
#57 F/vee looks like John Smith ?


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 00:29

NSU, Wallace?----#72 Clubbie, Peter Wilson-----#57 Vee, John Hook. H.Aston drove a Europa that day. There were 2 Turners...A.Jacques & D.Gleen. #143 MG-B....B.Rottenbury.

#6396 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 00:46

I was thinking it was too late for Phil Ward to be in an Anglia...

But no, early 1970 he would certainly have still been there. More likely than Tony, in that case.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:00

NSU, Wallace?----#72 Clubbie, Peter Wilson-----#57 Vee, John Hook. H.Aston drove a Europa that day. There were 2 Turners...A.Jacques & D.Gleen. #143 MG-B....B.Rottenbury.


Greg, can you remember what the power unit was in the NSU, what a strange car for a Sports Sedan

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:26

The Prinz had a 600cc motor, but that one was 1493cc......VW maybe?

#6399 ed holly

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:11

Been a while since I put some more of Rod Stevens' photos on. Have about 500 to go so will take some time at this rate.

Been working hard on the ex George Jamieson, Bevan Fleming, Joe Hills, John Partridge Lotus Eleven, have got it to driveable stage and is now on Club plates and have driven it about 10km so far. Body still needs quite a bit of work, but it does go and can now be used and enjoyed ...

So here are some more photos, as a reminder Rod's family want no copyright, so if you want a photo at higher res just PM me and I'll send it to you - and please drop an email to Rod's daughter to thank her.

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4th batch
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:12

Prinz is a very strange choice for a sports sedan! The old man had one as his runabout to go to work for a year or so - couldn't imagine what it would have been like at any sort of high speed - bloody scary! My parent were good friends with the Rottenbury's - son Bruce raced the MGB in the pic.