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#6601 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:15

Blame my memory for that slip with the Goss Specials...

And Seldo... on the other hand, the Luddenham Flyer used to point out to people that his name had plenty of 'doubles'.

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#6602 ellrosso

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:20

I haven't got time to post it now but we have 2 shots of the Goss Falcon GT in Cobra colours at Amaroo in 1978 - Nos 5452 + 5253 on the oldracephotos site if anyone wants a look - type John Goss into the Advanced Search will bring them up.

#6603 Eshe

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:56

Here is one of my pics of a glancing blow between John Goss and Alan Grice IIRC, late 70's Amaroo Park.

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Now I am second guessing myself - can anyone confirm that this is Goss in the Falcon or did I get that wrong?

#6604 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:00

Gossy's number is on the car...

But isn't that a Sports Sedan? And 'Pacific Ford'?

#6605 Eshe

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:09

Gossy's number is on the car...

But isn't that a Sports Sedan? And 'Pacific Ford'?


Ray,

Good observation, 'Pacific Ford' yes, sports sedan no is my recollection.

#6606 Eshe

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:20

I was able to recover this pic from a damaged negative - Amaroo Park again, sports sedans. Obviously Phil Ward in the Escort, but the rest I can't name...

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#6607 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 22:16

I was able to recover this pic from a damaged negative - Amaroo Park again, sports sedans. Obviously Phil Ward in the Escort, but the rest I can't name...

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Possibly Doug Byrne in the Clubman, it seems to have the flag on the roof. And the Ward, Monterosso, Newbound Escort. The rest I do not recognise trhough I have seen that Falcon before.

#6608 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 22:23

Gossy's number is on the car...

But isn't that a Sports Sedan? And 'Pacific Ford'?

Going by those earlier pics of the Cobra colors Gossys no was 3, that is 5. Though I do not know the car either.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 01:17

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Honda photo ....

Thanks Ed

#6610 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:26

The black and multi-colour Falcon is the ex-Goss car...

It's Allan Collins in the car, I believe this might be about March '78 and the Mini beside Ward might be Paul Gulson. This Falcon was later stolen and burned out IIRC.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:09

That is great pic thanks Eshe . Looks like Moffats Capri behind Phil Ward,Murray Carter Falcon in black,up the back is Gerry Lister Volvo and yours truly in my white Fiat 850 s/s.my last race before i sold it.

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#6612 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:32

Neither Allan Moffat or Murray Carter are in that pic...

As I posted before, it's Allan Collins in the ex-Goss sports sedan Falcon.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:04

Thanks Ed


Nice drifting...would crop well :cool:

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:11

Now I am second guessing myself - can anyone confirm that this is Goss in the Falcon or did I get that wrong?


Why am I thinking Bryan Burt Ford? Not just the #5....

#6615 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:06

Bryan Byrt?

His cars were always a darker blue... and they certainly wouldn't have 'Pacific Ford' on them!

#6616 ellrosso

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:38

Yes I'd say it is Gossy, we have a pic in the library from Sandown with the same colour blue, TAA on the front guard and identical bonnet scoops etc. Maybe an Amaroo only sponsorship from Pacific Ford? He had a Car Alarm firm sponsoring him at Amaroo in the white/blue stripe Cobra livery, must be later that year so he was probably picking up whatever he could at that time.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:11

Yes I'd say it is Gossy, we have a pic in the library from Sandown with the same colour blue, TAA on the front guard and identical bonnet scoops etc. Maybe an Amaroo only sponsorship from Pacific Ford? He had a Car Alarm firm sponsoring him at Amaroo in the white/blue stripe Cobra livery, must be later that year so he was probably picking up whatever he could at that time.

seems a similar colour to an XC that Sir Jack and Geoff Brabham raced around the period, but the sunstopper looks likely enough to read " GOSS PESCAROLO".

Pretty sure there are pics somewhere of Goss' car in that blue.... and now to find them...

#6618 David Shaw

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:11

John Goss' Bathurst winning XA was also #5

#6619 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:42

Gossy's cars were that colour for a very long time, except for the yellow one...

And he wore No 5 way more often than not.

Brabhams, with Jack owning Jack Brabham Ford, would have little likelihood of wearing Pacific Ford signwriting.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:33

Gossy's cars were that colour for a very long time, except for the yellow one...

And he wore No 5 way more often than not.

Brabhams, with Jack owning Jack Brabham Ford, would have little likelihood of wearing Pacific Ford signwriting.



Goss car also carried sponsorship from Pacific film. I thought the sports sedan Falcon in the above was ex 74 Bathurst winner, then GW, then Kramer ? Could be wrong.

Brabham XC was the same blue as Goss car because they were both part of a two car team.

#6621 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:23

Goss car also carried sponsorship from Pacific film. I thought the sports sedan Falcon in the above was ex 74 Bathurst winner, then GW, then Kramer ? Could be wrong.

Brabham XC was the same blue as Goss car because they were both part of a two car team.

The Sports Sedan was built from a new shell. The Bathurst winner I believe ended up as a few of those coupes did in Garry Wilmigtons hands.

#6622 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:52

Garry would soon tell you what happened to the Bathurst winner...

Yes, the Sports Sedan (pictured above in Allan Collins' hands), was built from a new shell. It was the last spare lightweight shell built for the factory team cars. It's said that Moffat, after crashing at Phillip Island, was livid that the shell had been given away and his replacement car had to be built from a standard shell.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:58

AFAIK, that Phillip Island enduro was the last major Group C race of 1973, and by the time the next season rolled around Ford had withdrawn the factory support. Moffat was given Gibson's car and Gibson was given the 'mule', Howard Marsden's car which was used as a test mule and raced in the early laps of the Sandown 250 by Pete Geoghegan (complete with rear disc brakes) until a rear wheel came off under Dunlop Bridge.


#6624 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 13:50

If that's the case, it must have been that he expected to get a new car built with the remaining shell...

Though it's true that I've never heard anything first hand about all of this. Except that I saw the Goss car being built.

Tony Williams did the fabricating, he was an artist with the welding gear.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:29

Warwick Farm 9th July 1972

Let's see who can get closest to the fence....

Alan Moffatt
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Bob Jane
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 19:05

Warwick Farm 9th July 1972

Let's see who can get closest to the fence....

Alan Moffatt
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Bob Jane
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Was that the race where they tried to kill each other?




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#6627 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 21:27

Moffat's breather tube would be the clue to that...

He didn't use that all that often.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 21:45

Was that the race where they tried to kill each other?




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One of them. :rolleyes:


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:28

Was that the race where they tried to kill each other?




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Please explaine ????

#6630 lyntonh

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:41

Someone at Grace Bros. decided to pour money into motorsport....
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Bill Brown?
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:25

Have you got a pic of Geoghegan's Super Falcon to complete the set?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:18

Please explaine ????


There was a race at Warwick Farm (may have been this one - the timing is about right) that descended into the type of argy-bargy that's normal today. There was pushing, shoving, violence, waving of arms and name-calling. Then the race finished...

Moffat and Jane had alwasy had a strong rivalry, but on this occasion it boiled over.



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Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:08

It can't have been in the early race....you can see their haloes!!

Moffatt, Harvey & Jane
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Harvey, Moffatt & Jane
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#6634 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:41

Originally posted by lyntonh
Someone at Grace Bros. decided to pour money into motorsport....


Hans Tiepermann...

He also drew in suppliers so that he had a good budget. That's why there's always a manufacturer or two on each car as well as the Grace Bros. name.

Through him came the Toby Lee series.

And I do think it's Bill.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:34

Here is one of Pete at Amaroo from 1972 (excuse dodgy caption it is Geoghegan of course). Also found a shot KB would rather forget from Symmons Gold Star round - no wets available!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:44

Here is one of Pete at Amaroo from 1972 (excuse dodgy caption it is Geoghegan of course). Also found a shot KB would rather forget from Symmons Gold Star round - no wets available!

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By the look of that he needs offroad tyres not wets!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:53

Dave Clements?
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Moffatt & Jane......down low almost every lap
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Malcolm Ramsey
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Mike Stillwell
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John Harvey & ? in what looks like Bruce Carey's old car
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Bruce Carey, Bill Brown, Ron Gillard & ?
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Colin Bond & Don Holland
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:26

Few more from that wet Symmons meeting. Your right Lee, it was just a bog-hole in the pits - wettest meeting I've ever been to by far. The shot of Norm Gown was the last race of the day and most of the crowd had left - I was already walking back to my parents car at that point, totally soaked. My mother shut the front door on my thumb just before we left to head back to Hobart. I think it stopped throbbing as we pulled into the driveway! Not the best day's motor racing.......

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:42

Dave Clements?
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Moffatt & Jane......down low almost every lap
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Malcolm Ramsey
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Mike Stillwell
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John Harvey & ? in what looks like Bruce Carey's old car
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Bruce Carey, Bill Brown, Ron Gillard & ?
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Colin Bond & Don Holland
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THe fourth car in the Volvo V8 of Gerry Lister.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:21

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I just noticed the extension of Max's roll bar in your shot.

I should be more observant.

Now, when I look at my own shots....guess what!!

Oran Park Gold Star June 1970
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Warwick Farm Tasman 1971
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I presume the scrutineers finally looked at the car with him in it!!

I love the shots of the cars & drivers et al in the pit area.....there's so much to see.
I particularly like the Warwick Brown photo....those guys at the back present quite a character study.

Edited by lyntonh, 26 February 2012 - 10:23.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:26

So would the 'bolt on' roll over bar extension done much more than comply with the regulations?

#6642 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:39

Originally posted by lyntonh
Dave Clements?
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I believe that is Lyn Brown...

John Harvey & ? in what looks like Bruce Carey's old car
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Bob Stevens, I'd suggest. Not sure that it was Carey's old car, but it does appear to have 'Mark IV' signs on it.

Bruce Carey, Bill Brown, Ron Gillard & ?
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Not sure about the dog, good thing someone remembered Gerry. This one bears a look at RCN.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 20:18

Does anyone remember a Morris '10' being raced in Appendix 'J' Touring Cars, in the early '60s? I think it was driven by Alan Hemsley [spelling?].

The car was quick, and well driven.....I remember watching it going around The Causeway at W. Farm, with the body at a frightening angle. The beam-axle, however, kept the front wheels where they ought to be, and [considering the car's age] it 'hung on' very well.

There was probably some MG influence in the engine dept., judging by the way it went. Was the car red? Anyone have a photo?

#6644 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 20:36

The Morris 10 engine, of course, was the XPAG engine also used in MGs from the TB to the TF, as well as the Y...

I have a notion I did see it, but I'm a bit unclear on it.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 22:57

So would the 'bolt on' roll over bar extension done much more than comply with the regulations?

On the face of it not really. Presuming the original and extension are sleeved where the bolts go through it is still a weak point. And then the bolts will quite possibly break anyway.Why did they not just build a new one? Or at least weld the two together?
That I have seen with rollovers on bolt together cages in tin tops.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 02:57

AFAIK, that Phillip Island enduro was the last major Group C race of 1973, and by the time the next season rolled around Ford had withdrawn the factory support. Moffat was given Gibson's car and Gibson was given the 'mule', Howard Marsden's car which was used as a test mule and raced in the early laps of the Sandown 250 by Pete Geoghegan (complete with rear disc brakes) until a rear wheel came off under Dunlop Bridge.


And then Gibsons car to Keogh who wrote it off & Moffats car destroyed by fire. No more works Falcons.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:10

Hullo All;
From memory Allen Hemsley's Morris 10 was either black or a very dark blue.
You used to see it a lot around the Seaforth and French's Forest area of Sydney.
Would think he lived in that area.
It was a real surprise packet and for what it was it went like stink!!
Can remember him coming round Homestead at the Farm one meeting full bore with the biggest handfull of opposite lock that I had ever seen. :clap:
Around the streets though it was driven in a fashion that would make you think the pilot was your maiden Aunt!! :lol:
Cheers.
Roger.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 20:15

Hullo All;
From memory Allen Hemsley's Morris 10 was either black or a very dark blue.
You used to see it a lot around the Seaforth and French's Forest area of Sydney.
Would think he lived in that area.
It was a real surprise packet and for what it was it went like stink!!
Can remember him coming round Homestead at the Farm one meeting full bore with the biggest handfull of opposite lock that I had ever seen. :clap:
Around the streets though it was driven in a fashion that would make you think the pilot was your maiden Aunt!! :lol:
Cheers.
Roger.


What I do remember of the Morris 10 is that it was the crowd favorite in it's day as was the Baraccuta Ford sports car & lets not forget that very quick black Skoda that rolled on the approach to the Causway, all unlikly cars to take the fight to the front runners but they did not disgrace themself in any way, yes, they were the days of Motor Racing.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 21:51

How right you are, Dan. Compared with to-day's V8 'slot-car racing', those blokes were worth watching. I remember standing at the fence [along with half the people in the pits] at the Causeway, watching Hemsley drifting the Morris '10' between the Armco fences at, what seemed to be impossible speeds. Can't remember ever seeing him come 'unstuck'.

Funny thing about the colour of the Morris.......I recall a dark colour, but also a bright red. Perhaps it had a colour change along the way? [Sorry mate, but that's how I spell colour].

#6650 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 23:09

John Prisk was the driver of the Skoda...

He first came to (my) attention at an AARC club meeting on the short circuit, very quick for what it was.

The Barracuda was in fact the old Petticoat Hudson, the original (ie. pre-war) body put back onto it as it was raced by Les Burrows and Bill Ford (and as it towed a trailer with two armchairs for the brothers-in-law to Point Cook for the '48 AGP), but I think lowered substantially.

Under the bonnet they hid a Y-block Ford ohv V8, it was raced by Peter Wallace and was probably the car that Peter Brock saw 'Team Party House' on and (with the steam emanating from the Y-block obscuring the clarity of the lettering...) thought it was 'Team Panty Hose'. Mike Morris had it later before it reverted to Hudson power for Peter Hitchin to race in Historics.

I'm sure Hemsley raced other things, but I can't recall what.