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#6901 ellrosso

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:02

Maybe Richard Knight (up from Vic) following Foley in the Cooper S's? I remember the RCN ad for that car Foley is driving - $2000 from memory.

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#6902 DanTra2858

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:18

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Not being a Cooper S specialist I was wondering why Foleys car has a different bootlid badge, different tailights & no nurf bars on the bumper, both cars appear to have sliding windows which if I am correct make them UK models so why the difference ????



#6903 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:44

Originally posted by Dale Harvey
Yes I agree, it would be Bob Muir in the 23B. The 48/215 looks like Barry Warwick. The first of the minis I reckon is Brian Foley, the second I don't know. Squeezed in between Ken Ward and the Mingay/Carter Datsun looks like a Manx Mirage.


I'd agree with both the Foley identification and the Manx Mirage...

The driver in the 23B doesn't look like Bob Muir, but my main problem is I'm at a loss to find the race report for this meeting based on what we see here.

#6904 ed holly

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 04:02


Ray, these photos may all be from different meetings ...

For those that follow this thread and wish to know who Gronky is - its the affectionate name given to David Medley, who is the current president of the HSRCA.

#6905 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:16

I realise that a lot of meetings are involved, Ed...

But that meeting in particular is difficult to identify.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 13:33

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Not being a Cooper S specialist I was wondering why Foleys car has a different bootlid badge, different tailights & no nurf bars on the bumper, both cars appear to have sliding windows which if I am correct make them UK models so why the difference ????


I have a fuzzy memeory that Foleys car was an UK spec car to take advantage of new 12" wheels. However the mists of time and gossip leave me with little confidence that this is factual.
I'd really like to have someone agree with me.
No photo this time, I'll have to search through a pile of negatives now.

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#6907 ellrosso

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:19

I've tracked down this meeting in RCN Nov '69. September 21st Oran Park and a cracking meeting by all accounts. Richard Knight and Brian Foley had a ding dong battle to finish just behind Don Holland in the Lwt, Brock A30 and Big Pete in the 15 lap Toby Lee feature. Bob Muir and Bob Beasley had a great battle in Lotus 23B and Europa respectively with Ray Strong Mallala, Chapman ,Merlyn, Tony Oxley, Hustler and Ken Ward Morgan. Richard Carter Datsun 2000 and David Medley Nota also battled with Ward. No mention of the Manx though - maybe retired early? Geoghegan got "the biggest ovation ever heard at Oran Park for a brilliant drive" in the handicap - 3rd behind Bob Inglis Lotus Cortina and Ray Salway in the Cooper S.
The Foley S was definitely an import - possibly an Austin Cooper S? We have quite a few shots of those from NZ racing on the ORP site and there were a few subtle differences.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:20

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Not being a Cooper S specialist I was wondering why Foleys car has a different bootlid badge, different tailights & no nurf bars on the bumper, both cars appear to have sliding windows which if I am correct make them UK models so why the difference ????


Can't help you with the sliding windows, but the I think the first car is a Clubman body - that's the later, flat-nosed version, which explains the different bumper and lights.

I'm sure a member of the Mini Car Club could tell us chapter and verse about the sliding windows...




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Edited by brucemoxon, 29 April 2012 - 01:21.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:12

Bit early for the Clubman style body Bruce, I think they did'nt appear till late 1971. The Foley Cooper S was not the car he had for sale in RCN I was thinking of - that was the ex John Rout (SA) car which they must have traded on something else. They wanted $2295 for it. In the same classifieds Bob Brown had his very quick "S" for sale at $2600 - 127 bhp with dyno sheets to prove it - he had beaten Skinny Manton with this car at Calder (once only from memory but still a big effort).
The Richard Knight "S" was also for sale in the DEC '69 issue for $3200 - this car was absolutely immaculate though - and quick.
Out of interest - the Sternberg's in Tassy had the ex Jim Clark Lotus 32B for sale at $5000 + a 1963 Brabham Climax, fully rebuilt - no price on this one though. The LOtus was bought by John Roxburgh.

#6910 Dale Harvey

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:27

I've tracked down this meeting in RCN Nov '69. September 21st Oran Park and a cracking meeting by all accounts. Richard Knight and Brian Foley had a ding dong battle to finish just behind Don Holland in the Lwt, Brock A30 and Big Pete in the 15 lap Toby Lee feature. Bob Muir and Bob Beasley had a great battle in Lotus 23B and Europa respectively with Ray Strong Mallala, Chapman ,Merlyn, Tony Oxley, Hustler and Ken Ward Morgan. Richard Carter Datsun 2000 and David Medley Nota also battled with Ward. No mention of the Manx though - maybe retired early? Geoghegan got "the biggest ovation ever heard at Oran Park for a brilliant drive" in the handicap - 3rd behind Bob Inglis Lotus Cortina and Ray Salway in the Cooper S.
The Foley S was definitely an import - possibly an Austin Cooper S? We have quite a few shots of those from NZ racing on the ORP site and there were a few subtle differences.



It was Ted Proctor in the Manx Mirage.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:37

Can't help you with the sliding windows, but the I think the first car is a Clubman body - that's the later, flat-nosed version, which explains the different bumper and lights.

I'm sure a member of the Mini Car Club could tell us chapter and verse about the sliding windows...




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UK Mk2 Cooper S, round nose with square tail lights, same bumpers but no handles and sliding windows. All quite normal and correct, even the right badges.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:49

The Talbot T150C was a tight 2 seater, painted blue, with a long tail, and removable tear drop guards. It ran with and without these guards. Tony Lago and Walter Becchia were responsible for the design: could this encompass your "Delage" reference? It ran as a late 1930s French sports car against Delahaye, Delage, Bugatti, etc. The Talbot had a bluff vertical nose with grille - unlike the sleeker shape of a late 30s Mercedes GP car.The body was wider below than above its horizontal centre line.

I think an Englishman named Smith brought it with him when he worked in SA perhaps with Chrysler, and perhaps Chris Ralph( who is still around, racing from time to time) roadtested it ina Sports Car World article

None of this tells us what it is: I still say "perhaps"


John,
Your suggestion of a fellow named Smith being involved could well be right.

I just happened to pickup from a swap-meet today an original programme for the 1969 Collingrove SA Championships held at Easter , a month or two before the picture in question was taken. The entry list shows an R.C.Smith entered in the P.V.T. over 1500cc class. The vehicle listed for this entrant is a Darracq of 3998cc. This may well be it.

I wonder where it is now?

#6913 ed holly

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:40

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#6914 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 22:04

UK Mk2 Cooper S, round nose with square tail lights, same bumpers but no handles and sliding windows. All quite normal and correct, even the right badges.

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But did the Austin Cooper S have 12" wheels? The pic of Foleys car it does appear to have bigger wheels than the one following.
I always thought that Minis of any description with 12s was a late 70s thing.
These days the hot bricks often seem to use 13" but 12" tyres are a non event and low profile 13s are quite easy to obtain.

#6915 Ian G

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:08

No expert on all this but 12" Minilites were around very early in the piece,mid 1960's?,also the later model Mokes had 12" & 13" rims. of course. IIRC several of the Rally Mini's in NSW around 1970 were using 12" rims off a Vauxhall VIva.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:35

John,
Your suggestion of a fellow named Smith being involved could well be right.

I just happened to pickup from a swap-meet today an original programme for the 1969 Collingrove SA Championships held at Easter , a month or two before the picture in question was taken. The entry list shows an R.C.Smith entered in the P.V.T. over 1500cc class. The vehicle listed for this entrant is a Darracq of 3998cc. This may well be it.

I wonder where it is now?



Fredeuce
After my previous post I looked at the cover photo of Anthony Blight's wonderful "French Sports Car Revolution" showing from above the start of a 1937 race at Rheims, Bugatti "Tanks", Delahaye, Delage, and Talbots prominent. That photo confirmed my belief that your pic shows the Smith Talbot, its tail much longer than I recalled, but perfectly shown in your pic. Talbot, Talbot Darracq, Darracq, Lago Talbot -- the names were variously applied.
I suspect that Smith was from the UK, working fairly briefly in Australia, and I think it was Chris Ralph who road tested it for "Sports Car World", relating how it "thundered through the Adelaide Hills". The 150C preceded the monoplace Lago Talbots with which , for example, Doug Whiteford won several Australian Grands Prix



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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:32

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:17

But did the Austin Cooper S have 12" wheels? The pic of Foleys car it does appear to have bigger wheels than the one following.
I always thought that Minis of any description with 12s was a late 70s thing.
These days the hot bricks often seem to use 13" but 12" tyres are a non event and low profile 13s are quite easy to obtain.

They didn't have to have 12" wheels on the road car. I think they just had to list them on the homologation papers for Group 2.

Lots of Minis run 12" wheels still. The show offs run 13s The fast ones run 10s though!

UK production Minis got 12 inch wheels in the early 70's.
Australian Minis only got 12 inch wheels right at the end of production in 1978.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 13:31

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I had some photos of the Ron Smith Talbot Lago at Collingrove but do you think I can upload them? I've been at it for about half an hour. I give up.

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#6920 john medley

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 23:38

Please do not give up. We would love to see them.

According to a Sporting Car Club of South Australia document, "The Castle Tea Rooms on the way to Lobethal were home to Ron Smith, who had the 1937 Lago Record with which Louis Chiron won the 1937 French Grand Prix" For sports cars only this was 500kms at Montlhery 14 July 1937, Talbots in first 6 places except 4th and 6th(Delahayes)



#6921 Ian G

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 23:47

Bollyblog there is a thread that explains how to post photo's,apologies if your already seen it.

http://forums.autosp...showtopic=70638

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:19

Bollyblog there is a thread that explains how to post photo's,apologies if your already seen it.

http://forums.autosp...showtopic=70638

No, hadn't seen it. I'm working my way through it now.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:36

No, hadn't seen it. I'm working my way through it now.

Stuffed if I know. I've uploaded 2 pictures to somewhere. Now how do I find them? What's Irfanview? What's Opera? What is a photobucket?

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:54

After spending [wasting?] quite a lot of time trying to post photos, I gave up. One day, when there are no important things to do, I'll have another go at it. :lol: Good luck, bolly. :wave:

#6925 fredeuce

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:05

Bolly , check your PMs.

#6926 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:10

It would all be so much easier if so many additional posts hadn't been put on that thread...

You have to get your head around what's actually happen, bolly and Greg, that you're putting the pic into cyberspace on some other website, then this forum (on your typed-in command) fetches it from there.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:51

I can upload the image OK. I've done it several times now. Then I am supposed to be shown 6 options and choose option one. I'd love to do that but I don't get offered these options. I'm determined to get it but I seem to be going backwards at the moment.

#6928 Dick Willis

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:33

John, when it says upload successful it should show the options, the one you want is "forums" left click on it then right click on "copy"

Then open up a new page to the Nostalgia forum as you usually would, click on "add reply" in the bottom rh corner, type in your copy, move the cursor down a couple of lines then click on "paste" then "submit post' and you are in business. Once you have done it successfully you will be amazed at how easy it is.

#6929 bollyblog

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 13:08

John, when it says upload successful it should show the options, the one you want is "forums" left click on it then right click on "copy"

Then open up a new page to the Nostalgia forum as you usually would, click on "add reply" in the bottom rh corner, type in your copy, move the cursor down a couple of lines then click on "paste" then "submit post' and you are in business. Once you have done it successfully you will be amazed at how easy it is.

I wonder if it's because I'm using a Mac. I might try the PC at work tomorrow.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 13:18

I can see the forum bit but it won't let me click on it. I have a choice of Link, Direct Link and Widget Code. I can click on those OK.

#6931 ellrosso

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:31

Few random pics.

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#6932 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 22:42

Few random pics.

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The Sports Sedan pic has Miles Jacksomn in the background in the Bellet. 2L Ford power then. Car is still around.Possibly Lui Delucas Anglia in the background.
As a off subject point Cos Monterossos Anglia is on Ebay at the moment with a downdraught pushrod engine.

The 85 Sports Car meeting was one of a lot that I competed in, in a Sports Sedan

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:53

[quote name='ellrosso' date='May 2 2012, 21:31' post='5695688']

Julian Randle ,Alan Jones are talking to in the 1st photo.

Edited by eldougo, 06 May 2012 - 09:03.


#6934 ellrosso

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:13

Few more from AIR.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:32

Few more from AIR.

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Tall, leggy bird in short-shorts. And no Brock? Must have been an off day.


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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:55

Here are Bollyblog's images of the Ron Smith Darracq / Talbot referred to previously. The last is his "Castle" Tea rooms in the Adelaide Hills.

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#6937 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:21

And the castle premises can be yours. Currently for sale. Very interesting place but not all that viable I feel.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 20:46

Yes, that is the Talbot, long tail unable to be seen

I have walked that Collingrove hill many times --- and driven up the tar too

But "The Castle" -- cant say I have ever noticed that

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 23:22

Looking further into the background of Bolly's pic I wonder if those other cars are Doug and Bill Potts HRG and MGTC?
They were regulars in those days.

Somehow that pic does not do the hill any justice . Looks a far easier walk than it is.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 00:49

And the castle premises can be yours. Currently for sale. Very interesting place but not all that viable I feel.

Does the Vauxhall go with it? :)


#6941 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 04:33

Does the Vauxhall go with it? :)

If it belongs to him possibly. The place has been for sale for a while now.
It is a function centre, tea rooms and accomodation. I have ever onlty been in the tea rooms.

As for the hill, that hill is very steep to walk, I have done it a few times. I have walked the track too. First time I went there in the 70s!

#6942 Ian G

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 06:41

Here are Bollyblog's images of the Ron Smith Darracq / Talbot referred to previously. The last is his "Castle" Tea rooms in the Adelaide Hills.


Thanks fredeuce,and BB,for making the effort to post Pics.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:42

John you would have driven pass the Castle on one of Dad's Old Hillclimb or track exploration days. It is at Basket Range. Mind you, there may have been a little too much car talk to worry about mere Castles!

#6944 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:29

Not to mention too much Southw... sorry, Coopers...

And, of course, you know why not to mention them.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:12

I will bite! pleading extreme youth on my side. What's the problem with the dear old makers of Green Death? I know quite well the healthy giving properties of Dr Tim's fine beverage!
Mind you John has sworn that death will come to those who share more than is polite regarding some of his visitations to Adelaide.
yes John you can tell me off at Winton - look forward to catching up!

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:06

Does the Vauxhall go with it? :)

The Vauxhall wasn't Ron's. It belonged to a visitor. It was of particular interest to me at the time because I had an almost identical 14/40 Vauxhall except mine was black (with unpainted bonnet of course).

#6947 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:31

I will bite! pleading extreme youth on my side. What's the problem with the dear old makers of Green Death? I know quite well the healthy giving properties of Dr Tim's fine beverage!
Mind you John has sworn that death will come to those who share more than is polite regarding some of his visitations to Adelaide.
yes John you can tell me off at Winton - look forward to catching up!

What is Southwark? It used to be a beer readliy advailable once upon a time. A LONG time ago.
I didnt think Kevin was that old!!

#6948 Ian G

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:26

What is Southwark?


I know your from SA Lee but Southwark(& Westend) are still around i think.Guys that collect beer cans & bottles had a "Canamania" (or something like that) Weekend up here a couple of years ago and i saw the Southwark & Westend bottles and the guy said "Lion Nathan is still using the brand in selected markets",where ever that is.

#6949 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:30

The reason for my derisory comment about Southwark is based on what beer drinkers used to tell me...

In my work, I used to ask people what brand they drank and that sort of thing, nobody ever had a good word for the stuff. And a lot had a bad word for it.

#6950 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:44

I know your from SA Lee but Southwark(& Westend) are still around i think.Guys that collect beer cans & bottles had a "Canamania" (or something like that) Weekend up here a couple of years ago and i saw the Southwark & Westend bottles and the guy said "Lion Nathan is still using the brand in selected markets",where ever that is.

Yeah but it has dropped out of site here in pubs and bottle shops. As has Fosters actually. West End is advailable almost under the counter at some pubs. At about $48 a dozen big bottles. I think they buy it for a few very regulars.

About 40 years ago I drank Southark, as that West End and a bit of Coopers was all was you could buy. I dont know what the brewery actually makes as it is not Southwark.
These days Coopers is the only SA player. Good product and marketing.
Big news today is that Coopers are going to make Carlsburg here.
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