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#7001 lyntonh

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 02:42

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#7002 brucemoxon

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:09

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I reckon you're right.




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#7003 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:39

That's Fred's old man in the white overalls looking down into the cockpit of the Elfin...

The yellow car with the red and black stripes is a Jaybee, while I'm intrigued by the wingless Brabham (?) up against the fence.

#7004 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:51

Originally posted by fredeuce
Last batch..... Lakis Manticas'..... Mini on the trailer in the last shot.

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Windsor Road around Moxham's Road at Northmead?

#7005 chequer57

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 05:15

Just thought I'd add to the Amaroo topic with a personal photo of a friend of mine,
showing the Formula Vee Drift School at Honda April 10 1977
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#7006 Eshe

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:21

That must have been around the time of the under 3 litre rallycross series...

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#7007 brucemoxon

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:31

That must have been around the time of the under 3 litre rallycross series...

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I remember that! I think it was Gerard Murphy in the BMW that popped an oil filter off, leaving oil through Mazda House corner - a nearly flat right-hander. I think that's Allan Grice (Mazda) upside-down, Rod Stevens (Escort) and Peter Williamson (Celica) heading for the outside bank and Peter Hopwood (Capri) spinning towards the inside bank.

Arthur Hardwick won the race, Terry Shiel came second from rear-of-field (earlier mechianical trouble in the sprint race caused a DNF and you started the main race where you finished the preliminary).




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#7008 Eshe

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:44

Bruce, I think this is the relevant grid and it was mayhem not long after...

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#7009 brucemoxon

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 05:36

Bruce, I think this is the relevant grid and it was mayhem not long after...

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Yep, that'll be it. No Allan Grice - so possibly Allan Cant is greasy-side-up. Not too many other light-coloured cars near the front. It was only a lap or two into a ten-lapper (maybe even 15) so they were still pretty bunched up. The BMW culprit is the 2002 down the back, not the unreasonably-quick 3.0 Paul McDonnell is driving in about fifth here.

Eventual winner Arthur Hardwick is near the back, the red and black Mazda on the left of picture and Terry Shiel is alongside him.

But who was the fifth car in the accident? I'm sure there were five. So long ago.





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#7010 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:09

May 21, 1978...

Murphy 'lost oil pressure'... the leaders went straight in, Cant rolled, Jones got through but had a flat tyre at the next corner and was out. Hopwood spun, then Duggan, who was hit by Hardwick on the way through and was out. The next lap Cobden spun over the crest and was T-boned by Heyer.

#7011 chequer57

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:18

May 21, 1978...

Murphy 'lost oil pressure'... the leaders went straight in, Cant rolled, Jones got through but had a flat tyre at the next corner and was out. Hopwood spun, then Duggan, who was hit by Hardwick on the way through and was out. The next lap Cobden spun over the crest and was T-boned by Heyer.

Rob Cobden (who now lives back in the UK) was pretty shaken up by that crash (if it was on the other side of the car it would have been very serious).

I think that was the end of that Escort. My father was good friends with Rob at the time.

#7012 Eshe

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:09

My recollection from that day at Amaroo Park is that this
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led to this
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which led to this
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leaving the Escort like this
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and the Golf like this
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and a lap or so later that 2002 looked like this
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And an earlier incident that day resulted in this
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#7013 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:25

Actually, we previously identified all five cars damaged in that incident...

Your pic of Seton's Capri is from his rollover in the earlier race that day.

#7014 brucemoxon

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 23:16

Hmm.

I thought the BMW drove back to the pits. They quickly loaded it on the trailer and got out of there!

And Ray, I can't see Barry Jones in that start photo at all.

Bo's Capri rolled after a tangle with Peter Williamson in the earlier race.



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#7015 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:29

My recollection from that day at Amaroo Park is that this
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led to this
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which led to this
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leaving the Escort like this
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and the Golf like this
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and a lap or so later that 2002 looked like this
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And an earlier incident that day resulted in this
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That Escort is really buggered. Yes it is a very good thing it was not the drivers side. I suspect the Golf would be had it too. It just does not look as bad.
The car that does the hitting usually comes out better than the car hit, and defenitly did there.

#7016 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:43

Originally posted by brucemoxon
Hmm.

.....Ray, I can't see Barry Jones in that start photo at all.....


It's the blue RX3 with 'BARRY JONES' written across the windscreen and bearing number 24, Bruce...

And the Capri right down the back is Bo Seton in Lawrie Nelson's car, hastily borrowed to enhance his series chances after the earlier rollover.

I'm pretty sure Heyer's VW came out of it without needing a new shell. It, in fact, is the only damaged car I actually remember seeing that day. Obviously I saw them all, but the shortened front of the Golf is a vivid memory, the other stuff could have happened any time. Usually it was the August meeting that saw all the casualties.

#7017 brucemoxon

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:54

It's the blue RX3 with 'BARRY JONES' written across the windscreen and bearing number 24, Bruce...

And the Capri right down the back is Bo Seton in Lawrie Nelson's car, hastily borrowed to enhance his series chances after the earlier rollover.

I'm pretty sure Heyer's VW came out of it without needing a new shell. It, in fact, is the only damaged car I actually remember seeing that day. Obviously I saw them all, but the shortened front of the Golf is a vivid memory, the other stuff could have happened any time. Usually it was the August meeting that saw all the casualties.

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Ah. I didn't remember a blue car. Is that the one he stuck into the bank just after the start / finish line?





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#7018 Team Result

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 13:43

It's the blue RX3 with 'BARRY JONES' written across the windscreen and bearing number 24, Bruce...

And the Capri right down the back is Bo Seton in Lawrie Nelson's car, hastily borrowed to enhance his series chances after the earlier rollover.

I'm pretty sure Heyer's VW came out of it without needing a new shell. It, in fact, is the only damaged car I actually remember seeing that day. Obviously I saw them all, but the shortened front of the Golf is a vivid memory, the other stuff could have happened any time. Usually it was the August meeting that saw all the casualties.


Spot on about those August Amaroo meetings, Ray. Didn't Bo roll his original lime green Capri at the previous year's August round.....after it had been sold (to Russell Skaife or was it Steve Masterton?)?

Then, at this particular year's August round Terry Shiel rolled his ex-Don Holland RX3...after it had been sold to my sponsor. That kept Terry reasonably busy as he had to locate and buy a used RX3 then swap everything usable in to it in time for us both to drive it at Bathurst.

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#7019 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 21:25

Poor Bernie Haehnle never managed to roll his...

He had a 4-door, the only one in the field, and often bemoaned the fact that the 4-door bodywork prevented him getting quite as big a tyre under the rear as the 2-door cars.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 23:45

Poor Bernie Haehnle never managed to roll his...

He had a 4-door, the only one in the field, and often bemoaned the fact that the 4-door bodywork prevented him getting quite as big a tyre under the rear as the 2-door cars.

Bernie DID manage a nice roll, Ray - Bathurst '69. He pinched someone's fence post to lever it back to the right way up.


#7021 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 23:48

Poor Bernie Haehnle never managed to roll his...

He had a 4-door, the only one in the field, and often bemoaned the fact that the 4-door bodywork prevented him getting quite as big a tyre under the rear as the 2-door cars.

Bernie had never heard of a portapower? They stretch reluctant wheelarches nicely. probably why the 2 doors had such big tyres in the first place though in those days the practice of the widest tyre on a narow rim was rife, a smaller tyre on the same rim should be faster as it is not rolling all over the rim. Hence the smaller tyre actually puts more rubber on the road and because the case is not flexing everywhere it stays cooler also.

#7022 chequer57

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 23:56

Bernie like a few other Vee people (Damon Beck, Greg McCombie) learnt from the errors of their sedan ways and returned to the open wheeler fold, where you don't have to worry about those pesky wheel arches etc.

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#7023 brucemoxon

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:13

Bernie DID manage a nice roll, Ray - Bathurst '69. He pinched someone's fence post to lever it back to the right way up.


Yeah, but that was an R100, not an RX3. Rolling an R100 was no feat - they'd almost do it while parked.




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Edited by brucemoxon, 07 June 2012 - 01:14.


#7024 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:46

Depending on barometric pressure and wind direction...

I think there were keen eyes, Lee, on the potential cheats in the 3-litre races at Amaroo.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:11

For some silly reason I always did well at the August Amaroo meetings. Maybe I was doing something wrong?
It was a great place but it could bite you hard!

#7026 Dick Willis

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:31

Must be time we had an Amaroo pic with some real cars in it, the year is 1992, who can name the cars and drivers ?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:45

Bags the easy one......Dick willis, #4, Ford engined Lambda.

Bit of a guess. #81 Percy Hunter, MG special?

Edited by GMACKIE, 07 June 2012 - 07:54.


#7028 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:21

I may sound unkind... but here goes...

I think there are more eccentrics in that lead car than just the mechanical ones.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:28

I feel concerned about the front ride height on the third car. A bit late to fix it now. Why didnt you show me earlier?

... then again, perhaps the car is not what I thought it was

Apart from that:
Colin Wade Frontenac Ford
Dick Willis Lancia Ford V8
John Gillett MGTC Special
Percy Hunter MGTB Special
Petr Johnson Tighe Vincent
Peter Fagan Bedson Enfield

#7030 Dick Willis

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:19

Well done, John. But do you think the car tucked in behind the Lancia Ford is your Nota ?

#7031 Eshe

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:16

What was that, Dick? Real cars...March 1979, again who were they all?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:48

What was that, Dick? Real cars...March 1979, again who were they all?

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The Elfin is one of the Winton Gibsons. Is that a McClelland in the Clubman? Greg McZombie in the Matich.




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#7033 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:15

No Elfins in the 'Winton Gibsons' stables... not ever...

And anyway, it's not an interstate entry.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 21:39

Dick
Hence my comment. I thought at first it was, but the wheel angle is wrong

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 21:53

Another one for the Aussies, some legends of Australian Motor Racing taken at Wakefield Park in 1999, sadly some are no longer with us.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 22:10

On a rather sad note, Paul Samuels is quite un-well, and looking very frail at the moment. He is in Bowral House.

#7037 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 22:13

Indeed, that was Fred Vogel's report a couple of days ago...

Our thoughts, undoubtedly, are with him.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 22:55

No Elfins in the 'Winton Gibsons' stables... not ever...

And anyway, it's not an interstate entry.



Hmph.

Then I got nothin' but guesses. Andy Roberts maybe? Hey, I was only 17 - girls were competing for my attention! Not literally. I was dividing my attention to trying to be in motor racing and trying to get girls to talk to me.




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Posted 07 June 2012 - 23:02

Glenn Moulds posted this link in the Formula Vee discussion, but I think it deserves a home here too.

The first race meeting at Amaroo Park (I'm told I was there - five years old, so I don't remember). Shots of a Milano and Tom Sulman as well as race footage of the Vees.

http://www.britishpa...ry/motor racing



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#7040 Dick Willis

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:47

Another one for the Aussies, some legends of Australian Motor Racing taken at Wakefield Park in 1999, sadly some are no longer with us.

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For the record the drivers shown are ;

Back row, L to R, Paul Samuels, Alwyn Rose, John Cummins, Peter Thomas, Mal Brewster, Bill Buckle, Norm Crowfoot.

Front row, Todd Hamilton, Brian Lawler, Kevin Walter, John Priddle, Dick Cobden, Gordon Stewart, John Crouch.

Collectively, a lot of miles clocked up around the circuits.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:33

Collectively, a lot of miles clocked up around the circuits.

And over a lengthy period. John Crouch started racing in 1937


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Posted 09 June 2012 - 08:01

For the record the drivers shown are ;

Back row, L to R, Paul Samuels, Alwyn Rose, John Cummins, Peter Thomas, Mal Brewster, Bill Buckle, Norm Crowfoot.

Front row, Todd Hamilton, Brian Lawler, Kevin Walter, John Priddle, Dick Cobden, Gordon Stewart, John Crouch.

Collectively, a lot of miles clocked up around the circuits.

As a child in the 60s I can remember Peter Thomas as a family friend,I think he is still alive.His sister my mother tells me was a very good trails drive of the 50s?
Sorry to here that Paul Samuels is unwell,nice man a few years ago i sold him a beautiful Bentley Continental I owned,at the time he thought it was more suitable for his current needs over an early car that was non power steering.

#7043 Eshe

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 11:53

In relation to my earlier post #7031, I am wondering if this earlier picture is the same car as the multicoloured one, and if my recollection of it being driven by a bloke by the name of Rod Dale is correct? But I am still not sure what make/model the car is.

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#7044 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 13:40

It's not Rod Dale...

I'll have to have a look when I get home and see if I can locate the names from a report.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 22:21

Peter Thomas is not only alive and well, but was at Winton Historics 2 weeks ago.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 01:48

Peter Thomas is not only alive and well, but was at Winton Historics 2 weeks ago.

great to here,my memory of him as a child was of a very nice man. :up:

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:51

The Chris Heyer VW Golf is discussed in the new issue of Australian Muscle Car. It's still racing and in the hands of VW Specialist Steve Muller, whose workshop is at Amaroo Park.



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#7048 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 23:23

Update on Alan Hemsley...

I returned his photos to him yesterday and had a quiet cuppa as he looked through the 'prototype' F5000 book.

He thought it would make an excellent present for anyone interested in motor racing, despite the fact that he's never had an interest in open-wheelers.

#7049 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 16:19

I meant to add these to that message:

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 03:52

I think you will find that the car is still owned by Ralph Hough??? He entered it in the 1989 caltex classic. Noel Tuckey also wrote a great article for Australian Jaguar (late 80's I think) in which he says Ralph Hough is the owner.

I am positive that these 2 pics are of the HWM Jaguar ex HWM Alta
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Ralph Hough
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Here's another bunch, the first I have no ideas about at all, though the word 'Sulman' comes to mind:



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