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#7301 275 GTB-4

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 22:38

Not the one I owned, 155x13 tyres. I think they all had front disc brakes too?


! agree with Mike - 12s were original equipment...but Lee, it might just have been fitted with larger rims/diferent wheels....hmmm, clearance in the rear guards might be close....hmmmm! :)

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#7302 Ian G

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 22:47

! agree with Mike - 12s were original equipment...but Lee, it might just have been fitted with larger rims/diferent wheels....hmmm, clearance in the rear guards might be close....hmmmm! :)


Yeah,long time ago but AFAIK the only 13" rims in Oz were off Moke's but Zetland did some strange things in its final years as it battled the Unions and the pressure put on its suppliers from GMH/Ford.

#7303 Wirra

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 23:24

PLEASE... enough of the rims sizes already. Please observe the thread title.


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Hopefully Lynton has some that are in focus.

#7304 275 GTB-4

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:11

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Trevor or Neil Mason?? Maybe arden cross flowed on split webers...
[the Mason's were 37th at Bathurst 1968 in an 1100S (on 12s)]

#7305 Dale Harvey

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:40

I would say Neil.

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#7306 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:45

Lee, I assume you are talking about Max's 330 wing positioning. The front wings and nose section remained the same throughout with T330/332 being common. However the rear mounting was a long way back. The exact measurement escapes me, and I have seen the original framework in Darcy Russell's (who now owns that car) garage.
The rule about rear wing overall length was changed in or around '73 by the FIA, so it meant any open wheel race car. The most rearward portion of any device to be no more than 1 Metre behind the centreline of the axle.

Probably just the pic angle. The nose looks long. The rear one is defenitly a good way back.
And Lynton, a great pic.

#7307 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:55

And I would say twin Webers...

As for the other pics, Jim McKeown in the Porsche, Moffat in the Capri, Jim Richards in the Sidchrome Mustang, is that Ray Kaleda in the Torana?

#7308 Wirra

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:18

A few more salvaged Sports Sedan photos.

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And one of TNF'er Kevin Bartlett

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#7309 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:14

Trevor or Neil Mason?? Maybe arden cross flowed on split webers...
[the Mason's were 37th at Bathurst 1968 in an 1100S (on 12s)]

I raced against Reg Taylor from NSW in the early 90s with a similar car. Cross flow and all. I balked him coming off a corner and got a fair clout from the evil handling BMC product that you cannot back off mid corner!! Anyway when he hit me he crushed the filter cover and pushed the unifilter down the ramtube. Exit one Mini! I am pretty sure they only used one Weber, 45 0r 48

#7310 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:59

Originally posted by Wirra
A few more salvaged Sports Sedan photos.

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And one of TNF'er Kevin Bartlett

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In the Mustang is Bob Stevens, the late Bruce Cary in the Capri V8, is that the perennial mate of Mick's in the FJ?

The Torana is Bryan Thomson, Niel Allen follows KB through the esses.

#7311 Dale Harvey

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 20:31

Alan Barrow in the FJ.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:14

Elfin ME5 (Monza motors) a good friend had it for a while after Otten/Lovett,pity he never raced it pity as he would have been unbeatable in Group O historics.......sold to the German Porsche guy,name escapes.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:43

Elfin ME5 (Monza motors) a good friend had it for a while after Otten/Lovett,pity he never raced it pity as he would have been unbeatable in Group O historics.......sold to the German Porsche guy,name escapes.

Harm Lagaay ?

#7314 Lola5000

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:03

Harm Lagaay ?

thats the man,Bob sold the car to. :up:

#7315 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:59

And who proceeded to develop it...

We've had this conversation before.

Yes, Dale, I dared not name Alan Barrow for fear we'd hear all about him again.

#7316 Allen Brown

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:48

Next chapter of our Australian motor racing series:

Tasman Cup 1966

#7317 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 13:52

That looks good, Allen...

I'm about to become very familiar with all of that stuff!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 11:01

PLEASE... enough of the rims sizes already. Please observe the thread title.

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Hopefully Lynton has some that are in focus.


Is this the McKeown-built mid-engined 911? According to some infos I found on the web it had an 8-cylinder engine, is there someone here on TNF that can confirm? Thank you :)

#7319 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 13:20

I've never heard of such a thing...

I'm sure this is a regular 911. The period of these pics was right in the era of people racing regular 911 Porsches.

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#7320 Allen Brown

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 14:40

After the Tasman season finished, the domestic season got underway:

Australian Gold Star 1966

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 17:00

I've never heard of such a thing...

I'm sure this is a regular 911. The period of these pics was right in the era of people racing regular 911 Porsches.


at first read about it @ http://www.motorspor...orsche_1975.jpg there's something @ http://www.typ901.or...p?t=1307&page=2 post #14

#7322 Dale Harvey

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 20:42

Jim did build a car with the engine in the middle, but I am not sure about the engine (6 or 8).

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#7323 Wirra

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 00:48

Okay, really scraping the bottom of the shoebox here but I thought John Medley and other might like to identify this one. I'm guessing from other negatives in the packet it's the early '60s, but I could be wrong. I would be fairly sure it's NSW.

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#7324 Wirra

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 00:54

This was also in the packet of negatives. Pretty sure it's an old Box Brownie shot going by the size of the negative 5cm x 9cm and it was probably one of the first 850s to race in NSW.

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#7325 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:03

at first read about it @ http://www.motorspor...orsche_1975.jpg there's something @ http://www.typ901.or...p?t=1307&page=2 post #14

Porkers were never allowed as Sports Sedans to my knowledge. I am unsure of the Sports Car racing rules at that time if that was legal, though it may have been.

#7326 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 07:34

They certainly did run as Sports Sedans...

Like all the other Improved Touring cars that didn't fit in when the rules changed at the end of '72.

#7327 275 GTB-4

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:11

This was also in the packet of negatives. Pretty sure it's an old Box Brownie shot going by the size of the negative 5cm x 9cm and it was probably one of the first 850s to race in NSW.

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it was probably one of the first 850s to race in NSW....then it was possibly Mike McGee from up around Guyra...

#7328 Wirra

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 00:13

Ray - Have I got you at your flag point this time?

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#7329 eldougo

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:33

Thats Mr "Cool" Bell in the dark color with shades on??

#7330 seldo

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 18:59

Thats Mr "Cool" Bell in the dark color with shades on??

Don't think so.
But that could be him climbing out of the air-box of #3

#7331 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 21:15

Sorry, we were off Point M by that time...

In fact, this meeting is 1973 and by that time I was no longer a flaggie at all!

'Point M' was further back around the lake, the first flag point after the Northern Crossing. Then there came Point M1, then Point N prior to the Causeway.

#7332 Ian G

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 21:52

I think one of those Marshalls is Haydn Gooch,he was around there somewhere.

#7333 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 22:27

:rotfl:

Don't think so.
But that could be him climbing out of the air-box of #3



#7334 Allen Brown

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 22:32

Here's yesterday's and today's chapters of our story of Australian motor racing in the 1960s:

Tasman Cup 1967

Australian Gold Star 1967

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:01

One more for now, then I'm taking the weekend off:

Tasman Cup 1968

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:09

Some more cars at Northern Crossing Warwick Farm 30th April 1972

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Ray Lintott

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Bob Jane & Alan Moffatt in the morning race.....as close together as I could get them!!

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Jane leaning forward

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Moffatt leaning back

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Later in the day....

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#7337 Allen Brown

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 14:42

Australian Gold Star 1968

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#7338 Wirra

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 23:10

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Loved that car.
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Even made a schoolboy slot car version.
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As it is today
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 23:46

I got a swag of amateur photos of my car from Simmons Plains in 1969. Anyone recognise the spanner man?


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#7340 seldo

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 00:59

I got a swag of amateur photos of my car from Simmons Plains in 1969. Anyone recognise the spanner man?

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Looks like John Sawyer....but surely he was never that young...;)

#7341 Ellis French

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:20

Looks like John Sawyer....but surely he was never that young...;)



Picture doesnt appear to be at Symmons Plains
Structure in RH centre behind datsun sign may give a clue.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:52

Picture doesnt appear to be at Symmons Plains
Structure in RH centre behind datsun sign may give a clue.


Ellis, that was my first thought as well, the black structure in background does not seem right, but have a look at the tow truck in background - I reckon it icould be the old dark blue and white Hill Motors, Joffre St truck that was always used at S-P. Or am I barking up the wrong tree too?


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:06

That's not Larrikin Larry Perkins, is it? Viewing the pic on my phone...

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:10

Ellis, that was my first thought as well, the black structure in background does not seem right, but have a look at the tow truck in background - I reckon it icould be the old dark blue and white Hill Motors, Joffre St truck that was always used at S-P. Or am I barking up the wrong tree too?


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The Taswegian who took the shots remembers the day so although I can't spell it I am pretty sure that's where it is.

This one shows the surrounds so maybe that settles it. I have plenty of shots but they all of the same (rather beautiful) blue car.

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Maybe the tower is recognisable

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#7345 ellrosso

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:44

Beautiful in the flesh too Ian! I was there at that meeting and was always a fan of Glyn. No 34 Elfin Catalina is Peter Waters in the ex Lyn Archer car. Bruce Gowans raced the Bowin in the Handicap race later in the day - they (he and Alan Ling) ended up buying the Scott Lotus 23 FVA. We have a shot of Bruce in the car on the ORP site.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:46

Beautiful in the flesh too Ian! I was there at that meeting and was always a fan of Glyn. No 34 Elfin Catalina is Peter Waters in the ex Lyn Archer car. Bruce Gowans raced the Bowin in the Handicap race later in the day - they (he and Alan Ling) ended up buying the Scott Lotus 23 FVA. We have a shot of Bruce in the car on the ORP site.


Yes the FVA went into the 23 when Glyn moved to the Elfin. That's the engine we have just acquired and is now sitting back in the tub for the first time since 1970. Next year you should be able to see it all in the flesh and making noise again.

BTW the front on view is pretty awkward even for a biassed owner.

I wonder if the spanner guys was associated with Bruce? I'll ask him.

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#7347 Ellis French

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:29

Yes the FVA went into the 23 when Glyn moved to the Elfin. That's the engine we have just acquired and is now sitting back in the tub for the first time since 1970. Next year you should be able to see it all in the flesh and making noise again.

BTW the front on view is pretty awkward even for a biassed owner.

I wonder if the spanner guys was associated with Bruce? I'll ask him.



They defintley are at Symmons Plains...still cant make out what that structure is in 1st pic

Edit....
On looking at 2nd pic it is the old wooden post and wooden railing fence with shadows making it look different.

I have some 8mm movie with some of these cars in it

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#7348 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:11

The 'spanner man' must have been someone...

In those times you didn't exactly let anyone loose with the spark plug changes on FVAs! Tiny plugs down a deep recess, the risk of dropping something in there or stripping the thread.

But where is Norm?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 00:27

Seeing we are looking at similar types of cars, thought I would add these few which were taken at the Historics at Sandown this year.

Only made it there on the Friday unfortunately, but that was better than nothing, wish it was every couple of months :-)





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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:02

Just published today: the last of the 2.5-litre Tasman seasons:

Tasman Cup 1969

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