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#7351 Wirra

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:13

Okay, really scraping the bottom of the shoebox here but I thought John Medley and others might like to identify this one. I'm guessing from other negatives in the packet it's the early '60s, but I could be wrong. I would be fairly sure it's NSW.

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I have been reliably informed that this car is the Bulant, built about 1960 by Brian Rawlings and the first of his cars to carry that name (note one "l"). It ran a s.v. Morris 8 engine, gearbox and back axle, which was narrowed on one side to let the tailshaft run under the driver's right elbow. The lost rear track was regained by using Buick wheels reversed. Front suspension was swing axle, initially with Morris steering box, later with Lloyd Hartnett rack and pinion. Chassis was multi-tube, built by Brian, as was the alloy bodywork. He claimed he built it for 67 pounds ten shillings, not counting engine and gearbox. It was never very powerful, but it was light and it went round corners pretty well. It is currently owned by I## B##### in Victoria.

I noticed the three provisional stripes on the rear - can anyone recall if we kept them for the three signatures or was one deleted as we obtained each signature?

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#7352 GMACKIE

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 21:22

All three stripes were kept on until the three signatures were obtained, and wasn't that great.....now you could race at Bathurst. :up: :up: :up:

#7353 john medley

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 21:47

Re: Bulant.
I second Wirra's comment.
Brian built it while an apprentice at Nota Engineering, using Nota Formula Junior chassis 22 as template

#7354 Wirra

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:44

Apologies for OT post but if there are any model collectors interested in this send me a PM.

http://forums.autosp...p;#entry6061037

#7355 lyntonh

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 04:15

Several photos from the Tasman Meeting at Warwick Farm 1971

Patchy quality on some of them, but they may be of interest.

Evan Noyes & Keith Holland
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Graeme Lawrence
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Keith Holland
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#7356 lyntonh

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 04:17

More from the same meeting.......

Keith Holland
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Bob Muir running the submarine without wings
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#7357 lyntonh

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:22

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Open wheel mixture
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Teddy Pilette & Leo Geoghegan...both with attitude
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Richie Galloway
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John Cannon
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#7358 lyntonh

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:29

Keith Holland Sandown Tasman 1971
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Ken Hastings in the rebuilt ex Jane/Gibson Elfin 400
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#7359 David McKinney

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:53

Interesting stuff, Lynton

I hope some of your countrymen can identify the cars you (and I) can't

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:24

John Cannon
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I'm fascinated by the strange device on the side of Cannon's car. Is it a supplementary (oil?) radiator?

#7361 275 GTB-4

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:36

More from the same meeting.......

Keith Holland
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Great pics Lynton....

Interesting tidbits about the Gold Coast Motel on the wing...

http://www.courierma...f-1225847665023 http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

#7362 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:27

One would expect so. More efficient there than hanging over the gearbox. Though the drag factor may be a problem. Though depending on the engine it may have been necesary to keep the engine together.

#7363 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:01

Originally posted by lyntonh
Several photos from the Tasman Meeting at Warwick Farm 1971

Patchy quality on some of them, but they may be of interest.

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Alec (Alex?) Lazich in the Pirahna...

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Young Douglas in the Rennmax...

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Got me there! A Formula Ford obviously, they were mixed in with other openwheelers at that meeting.

Bob Muir running the submarine without wings
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A really strange one, also with treaded tyres at a dry meeting in the slick era. I'll guarantee he didn't do his 1:25.8 qualifying time in that form!

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Not mentioned in the report at all, but it's Phil Moore in the Elfin 300C. I don't know who it is in the Turner.

Open wheel mixture
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Bob Beasley's Bowin, a couple of F3 cars, perhaps (Minogue?), and then possibly Bob Young in an Elfin 600 FF.

Teddy Pilette & Leo Geoghegan...both with attitude
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A nice picture, a very nice picture, of Leo with attitude!

Originally posted by David McKinney
Interesting stuff, Lynton

I hope some of your countrymen can identify the cars you (and I) can't


I've done the best I can...

Edited by Ray Bell, 10 December 2012 - 01:04.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:13

:up: Awesome that we have people on here that can give credit to 30 and 40 year old photos.............having said that I'm always taken back at the amount of personal photos that are up-loaded on this forum.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:54

# 73 is Richard Winter in the M.S.111 BMC .
# 51 as stated Doug. Heasman , Rennmax BN3 Ford t/c .
# 40 is Robert [ Bob ] Creasy from W.A. in the Fielding F.Ford

The Turner is Tony Jacques , 1498cc Ford .

The string of openwheelers , if # 65 , Alan Stewart , Brabham BT23 t/c
if # 69 , Owen Jones [ ACT] Elfin Ford. 1098cc.

#7366 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:45

Thanks, Brian...

I really wasn't all that sure about the Lazich identification, it really does look like the Pirahna, but on closer inspection the single Weber is a bit of a giveaway!

It's not Alan Stewart, by the way. The rollover bar is not high enough and it really does look very Elfin Mono. I was, in fact, going to nominate Owen Jones but I thought it was before his time in that car!

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 20:52

Bob Beasley's Bowin, a couple of F3 cars, perhaps (Minogue?), and then possibly Bob Young in an Elfin 600 FF.


I can confirm the Minogue car, distinctive exhaust system. I have no idea how Ray identified it as a Mono though (which it is of course). I owned the car a couple of years later still with that exhaust system.

The Phil Moore Elfin had been sold by Phil by then, was owned by Derry George I think. Phil borrowed it back for that meeting. I was lucky enough to be his gopher, travelling with him from Adelaide to Melbourne to pick up the car, on to Sydney and then back via Melbourne to Adelaide. I remember that pretty well because I actually got to drive Phil's GTHO drom Albury to Melbourne (with trailer of course) - the only time I ever drove a GTHO! Made quite an impression on me.

#7368 lyntonh

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 22:11

Thanks, Brian...

I really wasn't all that sure about the Lazich identification, it really does look like the Pirahna, but on closer inspection the single Weber is a bit of a giveaway!

It's not Alan Stewart, by the way. The rollover bar is not high enough and it really does look very Elfin Mono. I was, in fact, going to nominate Owen Jones but I thought it was before his time in that car!



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I've posted this shot on an earlier occasion.....to marvel at the ill-fitting helmet & low roll-bar safety issues,
but this picture raises the issue of how the car handled with wing tabs on the front, but no rear wing.

Also, it appears that the driver's name patch has been blanked out.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 00:31

I've posted this shot on an earlier occasion.....to marvel at the ill-fitting helmet & low roll-bar safety issues,
but this picture raises the issue of how the car handled with wing tabs on the front, but no rear wing.


or that the helmet straps are so loose that it has lifted off the drivers head!! and is trying to stretch their neck!



#7370 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:30

Originally posted by 2Bob
I can confirm the Minogue car, distinctive exhaust system. I have no idea how Ray identified it as a Mono though (which it is of course). I owned the car a couple of years later still with that exhaust system.

The Phil Moore Elfin had been sold by Phil by then, was owned by Derry George I think. Phil borrowed it back for that meeting.....


I mentioned Elfin in relation to the second car, the Owen Jones car... mainly based on general appearance and in particular the windscreen...

As for my suggestions, I was looking at wheel sizes and concluded they were more likely F3 than F2. Then, on looking at the race report I saw that Bob Minogue was mentioned as the quickest of the F3s (and I don't think any others rated a mention!), and in those times there were few F3s that would be looking for a way past a quick FF (as Bob Beasley was), so it was logical to suggest Bob for the second car.

I don't recall Derry George owning the 300, but I would like to know why the car wasn't mentioned in the race report. Did it get to race day?

#7371 lyntonh

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:53

I mentioned Elfin in relation to the second car, the Owen Jones car... mainly based on general appearance and in particular the windscreen...

As for my suggestions, I was looking at wheel sizes and concluded they were more likely F3 than F2. Then, on looking at the race report I saw that Bob Minogue was mentioned as the quickest of the F3s (and I don't think any others rated a mention!), and in those times there were few F3s that would be looking for a way past a quick FF (as Bob Beasley was), so it was logical to suggest Bob for the second car.

I don't recall Derry George owning the 300, but I would like to know why the car wasn't mentioned in the race report. Did it get to race day?


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#7372 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:27

The reply above about helmets and rollbars. His rollbar is probably high enough, just his helmet has lifted 2" on his head!!
And the big sportys at WF. 7 [John Harvey?] has a high rollbar with no bracing and the car behind has bracing but the rollbar is far too low.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:16

Another example of helmet lift???
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Mind you, his times may have been effected by having to eat flies all the way round the lap!!!
(Damn, I wish I'd aimed over to the left, just that little bit!!)

#7374 lyntonh

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:17

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#7375 lyntonh

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:18

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I reckon the guy's got his camera pointed the wrong way!!

#7376 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:24

That's Doug Macarthur in the Rennmax, Lee...

I assure you, the roll bar was braced. Check post 3856 of this thread.

It's worth noting that Doug had already tried out rolling in an open car, I saw him roll his Sprite at Lakeside in 1964, while his horrendous Elan crash saw that car as an open car before it finished flipping.

I think the Falcon above is Wayne Rogerson, Lynton. And I don't think there's any helmets lifting, Owen Jones' was ill-fitting, I reckon.

Edited by Ray Bell, 11 December 2012 - 11:27.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:24

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Faltang?






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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:25

I reckon the guy's got his camera pointed the wrong way!!


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#7379 lyntonh

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:54

That's Doug Macarthur in the Rennmax, Lee...

I assure you, the roll bar was braced. Check post 3856 of this thread.

It's worth noting that Doug had already tried out rolling in an open car, I saw him roll his Sprite at Lakeside in 1964, while his horrendous Elan crash saw that car as an open car before it finished flipping.

I think the Falcon above is Wayne Rogerson, Lynton. And I don't think there's any helmets lifting, Owen Jones' was ill-fitting, I reckon.



He'd need to be two places at once.....both photos were taken at the same meeting.
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Who's been to Oran Park for a night meeting, then eh?
You think he'd take them off, although he did tend to be leading the race,
so he probably wasn't bothered about getting them smashed up.!!

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#7380 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 21:27

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
Faltang?


Wrong on two counts...

1. The car to which you refer, the Jubilee Falcon, was a red or dark orange colour. It also had XP front panels, IIRC.

2. It was never known by that name.

That being the case, and as Lynton confirms it's not Wayne Rogerson's, someone with a programme is going to have to come forward. Brian?

I'm also intrigued to recall who it is carrying Fred Gibson's signage on the Mini...

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:21

There seems to be no shortage of early model Falcon Sports Sedans in NSW. They seemed more popular there than anywhere else. Though they were then comparitivly late model cars when Lynton too the pics.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:53

There seems to be no shortage of early model Falcon Sports Sedans in NSW. ...


From the S Fryer shoebox collection
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#7383 Wirra

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 23:08

Is this a photo of Launchpad taking the iconic photo below?

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Rod Mackenzie



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Posted 11 December 2012 - 23:44

He'd need to be two places at once.....both photos were taken at the same meeting.
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Who's been to Oran Park for a night meeting, then eh?
You think he'd take them off, although he did tend to be leading the race,
so he probably wasn't bothered about getting them smashed up.!!


Hmmmmm maybe a different meeting? I was at my fav spot with Dad's Yashica 35....ummm no zoom :blush:

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#7385 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 00:11

Originally posted by Wirra
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David Birks...

Lynton's photo is probably not the same car, while the red one with stripes across the nose undoubtedly is... note the left hand drive!

Lee... I always got the impression there were more early Falcons running in Tasmania than anywhere else. I can only think of these few and Don Algie's in NSW, though there might well have been one or two more.

Edited by Ray Bell, 12 December 2012 - 00:16.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:04

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Barry Sharp, of course

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:49

The white Falcon sports sedan # 8 with apparently green stripes / bonnet is Russell Kramer.

Bryan Miller.

#7388 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:37

Of course, Bryan...

The other one who later raced an XR or XW or similar as a Sports Sedan. Where was Catalina, he should have known that?

Edited by Ray Bell, 12 December 2012 - 06:40.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:17

Is this a photo of Launchpad taking the iconic photo below?

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It sure looks right to be me.
My wet weather gear was basic and looked more effective than it was!
Good spotting Wirra.

Here is an unpublished pic of Rindt passing Hill who had electrical problems.
Note that I seldom turned my back on the cars at this point.
You can see some of the crowd enduring the weather too.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:36

Of course, Bryan...

The other one who later raced an XR or XW or similar as a Sports Sedan. Where was Catalina, he should have known that?

I knew it but Bryan beat me to the post.
Russell Kramer raced various model Falcons over a long period. He probably would have been parked alongside Doug Macarthur in the pits.


#7391 lyntonh

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:19

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Oran Park 3rd January 1970

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:18

I've never scene that Mustang before.
Who is it?
Great shot. :up:

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 18:59

Robin Pare (Tas) in the Don Elliot Mustang. It is a good shot and quite a surprise to me as I wasn't aware they ever ran the car in NSW. Car is now owned by Chas Kelly and fully restored to that period's livery.
We have plenty of shots of it on the oldracephotos website from 1966 thru to when Robin Bessant bought it in 1972 and ran it in Shell colours if your interested. Elliot then bought the Bryan Thomson Camaro for Pare to race.

Edited by ellrosso, 12 December 2012 - 19:00.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 21:21

Robin Pare (Tas) in the Don Elliot Mustang. It is a good shot and quite a surprise to me as I wasn't aware they ever ran the car in NSW. Car is now owned by Chas Kelly and fully restored to that period's livery.
We have plenty of shots of it on the oldracephotos website from 1966 thru to when Robin Bessant bought it in 1972 and ran it in Shell colours if your interested. Elliot then bought the Bryan Thomson Camaro for Pare to race.

Ta, thats what got me me ,I 2 never knew that car raced in NSW.Looks as if its running wider wheels then App J 6 inch ie 1970?
Nice car with a strong history,great to see it restored/survived.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 22:46

The wheel-width is okay for Improved Production, it's probably narrower than Pete's were...

Likewise, I don't recall Pare running at Oran Park. But I did see the car at Longford back in '66 and I have a pic of it among my slides coming off the Long Bridge.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 00:02

The wheel-width is okay for Improved Production, it's probably narrower than Pete's were...

Likewise, I don't recall Pare running at Oran Park. But I did see the car at Longford back in '66 and I have a pic of it among my slides coming off the Long Bridge.

7 0r 8 inch torque thrust wheels,is that the correct brand?
where of course the big boys were running 10 inch Minilites.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 00:32

Obviously, someone decided that a "Mustang" day was the go.

There were four there at that meeting...

Ian Geoghegan, Chris Brauer, Robin Pare & Kim Aunger
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 00:34

These guys were at the meeting on 3rd January 1970 as well.....
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:13

A friend of mine , Graham Slater, a great guy who sadly died just before Winton Historic Last year was a part time journo for racing car news as a contributor. He wrote a column titled Mainly Melbourne.

So he had a collection of car magazines that his wife has given to me. There are 7 x 55 tubs of them. Now that's a lot of magazines.
I have just delved into the latest one and pulled out a racing car news special publication titled " The Fabulous Farm".

A history of the Tasman Cup races contested at Sydney's Warwick Farm circuit by the cream of International and Australian stars.

This magazine is in mint condition. It was printed in 1979 probably about 60 -70 pages

So if you want some info from it just ask and I will have a look

Cheers
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:20

7 0r 8 inch torque thrust wheels,is that the correct brand?
where of course the big boys were running 10 inch Minilites.

American Torque Thrust are still advailable now. 8 or 10"x 15". Though I feel in those days they were 9" wide,, with about 3" backspace.And a few different styles. Or maybe 5 spoke Ansens. Moffats Mustang had them when it first arrived though it gained Minilites quite quickly, which were 10" on all the 'big' cars.