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#7551 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:28

Do the seatbelts and "goggles" look any better now ? The Cooper, which is usually very reliable disgraced itself in New Zealand last month with DNF's in nearly every race due to overheating, suspect the water pump has lost its impellor blades. Is this a common Climax ailment ?

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If that is the case probably a case of old age.The pump, not the driver!
Though basics, has the radiator blocked itself up?
Sad to go that far on to what seems some great tracks and have problems.


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#7552 Gordon Graham

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:53

Thanks for the loan of it Gordon, for a good cause !

You're very welcome Dick. It got quite wet that day, as I recall.

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#7553 lyntonh

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:28

Warwick Farm Creek Corner 6th September 1969

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#7554 lyntonh

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:33

Niel Allen Warwick Farm esses July 11th 1970....

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#7555 SJ Lambert

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:53

Now, that's a roll hoop!!!

#7556 Wirra

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 13:06

Warwick Farm Creek Corner 6th September 1969
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Dennis Marwood, Eisert-Bartz Chev.

Now, that's a roll hoop!!!

Standard M10B

I read somewhere that Alfie will be driving that car at the Phillip Island historics in March although I don't see him on the entry list - http://www.vhrr.com/...trants-2013.pdf

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#7557 brucemoxon

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 20:07

Dennis Marwood, Eisert-Bartz Chev.


Standard M10B

I read somewhere that Alfie will be driving that car at the Phillip Island historics in March although I don't see him on the entry list - http://www.vhrr.com/...ist-PI-2012.pdf - What a line up of Big Banger Sporties.


Alfie has been confirmed, but not in this car; he'll be in the Kevin Bartlett car. Alan Hamilton owns the Niel Allen car too and it's under restoration.

You won't see him in that entry list - it's last year's. After all, this is a nostalgia forum...



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#7558 Wirra

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:19

I ignored the Golden Rule and posted after midnight.

Who bought the used tub (002) from Allen and who bought the parts car 019?

#7559 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 21:28

You think the vhrr may have this years entry list on their website.
All sorts of annoncements, headed by Skaife will drive a very loose Datsun and the race program for 2010! but not this years entry.

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#7560 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 22:17

Originally posted by brucemoxon
Alfie has been confirmed, but not in this car; he'll be in the Kevin Bartlett car. Alan Hamilton owns the Niel Allen car too and it's under restoration.....


The Kevin Bartlett car was also Niel Allen's...

#7561 lyntonh

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:55

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Graeme McRae Warwick Farm Esses Tasman Practice 1970

#7562 lyntonh

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:08

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Formula Fords Warwick Farm Esses Tasman meeting 1970

There are those low roll bars again.....

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:22

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Graeme McRae Warwick Farm Esses Tasman Practice 1970

Too cool, M10 I presume?

Graham caused quite a stir here in '72. Sad what happened later, to a real innovator. Still respect his mark more than anything else.

#7564 lyntonh

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:52

Too cool, M10 I presume?

Graham caused quite a stir here in '72. Sad what happened later, to a real innovator. Still respect his mark more than anything else.



M10A according to what I can gather.

He was always quick when I saw him.

#7565 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:12

Yes, an M10A...

The FFs are Wrens.

#7566 E1pix

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:17

Was the M10B the high-wing version then? (1969 IIRC?)

#7567 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:24

No, there were some chassis changes, the wings were mere 'attachments'...

We never had any with high wings here. The FIA ruling banning high wings happened in the wake of the Spanish GP of 1969, by Monaco (May) they were banned. We followed the FIA ruling, the US didn't.

#7568 SJ Lambert

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:35

"We" took a little bit of convincing didn't we? Henk Woelders told me that competitors waited til they saw an "official communique" in writing and as a result may have gotten an extra meeting out of their wings before mothballing them. I forget which meetings the skirmish spanned.

#7569 SJ Lambert

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:20

Henk Woelders with wings to back off their angle when on the straights by the looks.

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I'm guessing that Henk was talking about high wings like these, any chance it was around May 1969 and therefore the same FIA ruling that Ray speaks of?

#7570 brucemoxon

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 19:37

The Kevin Bartlett car was also Niel Allen's...


Oh, right. I was taking this from Graham Howard's column in Auto Action. Graham writes "His Phillip Island car is one of two bought by Hamilton last year and is the car originally raced in 1972/73 by Kevin Bartlett. The second M10B, originally raced by Niel Allen and later by Hamilton himself is also being restored."

So, did maybe Kevin race two different M10Bs? Or has Graham finally got something wrong? KB, are you there?




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#7571 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 19:51

At the conclusion of the 1971 Tasman Cup, Niel Allen 'firesaled' his two immaculate M10Bs...

One was bought by Kevin Bartlett, the other by Alan Hamilton. Hamilton's went on to become Warwick Brown's car, Bartlett's to Chris Milton (and others), with a bit of repair work along the way including some reskinning with Matich M10 panels to one or both cars.

#7572 E1pix

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 20:41

No, there were some chassis changes, the wings were mere 'attachments'...

We never had any with high wings here. The FIA ruling banning high wings happened in the wake of the Spanish GP of 1969, by Monaco (May) they were banned. We followed the FIA ruling, the US didn't.

Thanks, Ray.

Glad to have seen the high wings just once. Ironically, to me as a kid anyway, Apollo 11 landed on the moon while we were watching the high wingers at Road America, two days after I turned 9. To this day I relate the high wings to higher pursuits... about a quarter-million miles away.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:16

I'm guessing that Henk was talking about high wings like these, any chance it was around May 1969 and therefore the same FIA ruling that Ray speaks of?

Funny how F1 was behind Speedway in adopting big ugly wings.Even as a teenager in the 60s,as a Speedway fan,I disliked the look of wings.
Somehow it seemed to spoil what is a fantasy, (not that there's anything wrong with that), that those racecars are powered by pure magic ,and driver charisma.
The less you can actually see of the magic,and the more you are exposed to the charisma,well, That's Show Business. It's not till later the teenage
male brain may perceive other factors...the good bad and ugly.

#7574 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:08

Weren't the wings in speedway related more to billboard possibilities than traction?

Or at least just as much?

#7575 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:20

Weren't the wings in speedway related more to billboard possibilities than traction?

Or at least just as much?

There was proper wings on Super mods in the 60s. And some not so proper too. They all drag a lot of air, very noticeable when towing the things. Put the wing down flat and they tow nicer. But the car can be very loose too down that low. Been there done that!
The side boards on the wings are necesary, and also make great signs!! Most drivers will tell you the cars are far 'looser' when the sides are damaged, which is quite often. Personally I think about half as high would be just as effective, and sometimes the wings are cranked up so high as to be just a big stall.

#7576 lyntonh

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 21:51

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Leo Geoghegan saying thanks to Ken Goodwin in practice at Warwick Farm 5th September 1970

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Ken Goodwin, ? & Leo Geoghegan .... same day

#7577 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 22:13

That's Ian Fergusson...

Bowin F2, I think there's an 'Ecks' sign on the top there.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:04

Warwick Farm November 21st 1970

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David Green in the Wren, John Leffler? in the Bowin, & Larry Perkins in the Elfin 600FF

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Larry getting under his skin

#7579 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:29

Originally posted by lyntonh
Warwick Farm November 21st 1970

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David Green in the Wren, John Leffler? in the Bowin, & Larry Perkins in the Elfin 600FF


Same car, but Peter Wherrett...

Yeah, you could have knocked me over with a feather when I read it too!

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#7580 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:29

Originally posted by lyntonh
Warwick Farm November 21st 1970

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David Green in the Wren, John Leffler? in the Bowin, & Larry Perkins in the Elfin 600FF


Same car, but Peter Wherrett...

Yeah, you could have knocked me over with a feather when I read it too!

Oh yeah, Larry is catching up after a spin, Wherrett is trailing Green and a bunch who were dicing.

Edited by Ray Bell, 25 February 2013 - 10:32.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:51

Same car, but Peter Wherrett...

Yeah, you could have knocked me over with a feather when I read it too!

Oh yeah, Larry is catching up after a spin, Wherrett is trailing Green and a bunch who were dicing.


Believe John would like to be reunited with the Bowin :)

#7582 Wirra

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 15:49

Believe John would like to be reunited with the Bowin :)

Smithy used that Bowin FF to win the Driver to Europe Series in 1977.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:41

Got a question about the Group A sports cars of the early-mid 80's.

John Smith drove a rotary powered sports car for a short time. Can anyone confirm, and the type of car. Also, any pics.

Thanks.

#7584 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:49

The Tiga belonging to Richard Warland...

Smithy destroyed it at Winton in front of the pits.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:14

The Tiga belonging to Richard Warland...

Smithy destroyed it at Winton in front of the pits.



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#7586 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 20:54

Yeah, it had a rear suspension or wheel problem, it lost a rear wheel a time or two...

I think that was the issue at Winton, I might ask Smithy about that when I next talk to him. He's home now but still a long way from recovered.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:07

I thought this pic might be of interest. From Bathurst 1970 Easter meeting, when Niel Allen set a new lap record while Leo Geoghegan and John Harvey watched from the next best seats in "the house"



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#7588 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:04

Nice, Rod...

And where is Col Green these days?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 19:48

And where is Col Green these days?

Had a good chat with Col at Wakefield Park last Sunday. He had been working not far away.

Col has been fixing fire-damaged fences with a volunteer organization called Blaze-Aid. They help replace urgently needed farm fences after bush fire have destoryed them. :clap: :clap:

He travels about in his motorhome.


#7590 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 20:31

Greg, if you have some contact details, please e.mail them to me...

It's a very long time since I spoke to him. I guess he was at Coonabarabran?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 21:45

Ray, you could try :- blazeaid.bookham@gmail.com

#7592 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 22:15

Thanks Greg...

I've sent a message, let's see what it gets me.

#7593 lyntonh

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 23:15

I thought this pic might be of interest. From Bathurst 1970 Easter meeting, when Niel Allen set a new lap record while Leo Geoghegan and John Harvey watched from the next best seats in "the house"



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It may not look like much out of the ordinary, but If you weren't there, you might not understand how significant this moment was.

I reckon the blokes looking on from the pits understood.

It's quite eerie to think that at the time this photo was taken,
I was at the fence at Forrest's Elbow with my movie camera ready to take
those two tiny film sequences of Niel Allen that I now treasure.

I love it when someone pops up with a photo taken "same day...just nearby"

Thanks Rod

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 00:24

Special 8 page lift out feature in the Age today "60 Years- since the first Australian Grand Prix at Albert Park"

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http://www.grandprix...tage-day-ticket



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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:00

Great shot too Rod, terrific period atmosphere, light , the whole bit. Three of my favourite drivers on the front row too.....

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:37

Some scrawny shots of some interesting cars at the Warwick Farm Tasman meeting in 1973.

All at the bridge in the esses.

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Alan Rollinson McRae GM1

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Graeme McRae McRae GM1

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Errol Richardson Wortmeyer SCV (photo shows some of my poor darkroom hygiene)

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Tony Stewart Dolphin England

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Graeme Lawrence Surtees TS15

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John Walker Matich A50

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#7597 Wirra

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:06

... I love it when someone pops up with a photo taken "same day...just nearby"...


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Graeme McRae McRae GM1
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Tony Stewart Dolphin England


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I've got the others as well!


#7598 lyntonh

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:50

Those shots are all Sunday.

I didn't go Saturday, it was so wet.

Sunday, the camera got very wet when I had it out for these shots, so I put it away for the rest of the day.

I missed the photos of Pete Geoghegan sliding the Falcon lock to lock,
between the esses & the northern crossing, chasing Alan Moffatt.

I've never been so wet at a motor race as we were that day.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:59

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Alan Hamilton McLaren M10B Oran Park 27th June 1971

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Whenever I see the face partly covered like that,
I think of what must happen to his concentration when he swallows the inevitable bug at 150mph!!

Edited by lyntonh, 06 March 2013 - 04:59.


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#7600 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:23

Where were these when we did our book?

Great shots, Lynton.