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#7701 Repco22

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:31

Good to see you have enough spare time to provide social comment on things 50 years old, here was I thinking you would be busy with the Indian Ink drawing the image of Mark complete with slouch hat, rising sun and hand tied behind his back, chasing the Evil DR MAKO from behind the wheel of RB8 with a jousting pole appropriately named MULTI 21, of course, and there would be Seb resplended with Kaiser helmet trying to squeeze through the inside and save DR Evil from the clutches of the embattled Webber

Thomas, YOU'RE the one who's wasting his time! Talk about a fertile imagination! Or have you been reading too many 'comics'? :p

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#7702 275 GTB-4

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:27

The Healey 3000 has certainly been restored and I have seen it at E Creek a number of times. Actually I met Ross a number of times with his garden hire business over the last 10 years when we were selling properties, and he had a good laugh with a story about when he was reunited with the Healey. He took some hapless soul for a spin in it and they nearly died when he put it side ways at around 90 mph thru a sweeper!


A few years back, Ross was reunited with the Healey at the 100 Healey meeting at Oran Park...he loved it and was impressed by the better speed due to tyres, development, oils, modern materials etc

#7703 BMH Comic

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:04

Thomas, YOU'RE the one who's wasting his time! Talk about a fertile imagination! Or have you been reading too many 'comics'? :p


Might have been? :rotfl:

Or maybe I just overdosed on the ENES!

Not sure if it was the Caffeine, the Nicotine or the Benzene. Think it’s the latter; even my lawnmower has become addicted to benzene, it won’t run on unleaded anymore! Maybe it’s got lead poisoning from the race fuel??

You think I have a vivid imagination! Who was the one who dreamt up winning an AGP!!!
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 20:44

Adelaide International Raceway
1972 October6 - Saturday practice for the Gold Star round


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Birrana272 - Malcolm Ramsay

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Viper - Ian Richards

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#7705 lyntonh

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:42

Just dug these up....

Warwick Farm Esses 5th September 1971

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#7706 lyntonh

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:46

Warwick Farm Esses 5th September 1971
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John Harvey McLaren M6B.............tight........

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Even in black & white , that car is just beautiful.

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#7707 lyntonh

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:04

Warwick Farm Esses 5th September 1971

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Minis at odd angles....& a Volvo...

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:04




ASP F3

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Viper - Ian Richards

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The Viper Peugeot at one stage ran supercharged Pugg....what has it got here please anybody?? They look like twin Weber sidedraughts. I do not recall twins on the Supercharger.
That is also very late version of car. It was a very successful locally built "special". I reckon the moulds for this body used to live in the mezanine at Kent Town Autotune in the Peter Brady days.
I think the Formula 2 and 3 ASP may be the one that Bob Butcher ran, sold to Bob Jennings and was in Scotcher Race Fuels shed at Wingfield.
Maybe belonged to Daryl Hann at some point.
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#7709 eldougo

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:37

Check out the white Corvair behind the Viper,and if its a f3 car a go for a toyota motor.

#7710 seldo

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:44

Check out the white Corvair behind the Viper,and if its a f3 car a go for a toyota motor.

Well spotted!

#7711 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:53

And a Highly Dangerous Holden to the side of it.
And sponsored by Hoffy, everyones dry cleaner.And motel.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:11

And a Highly Dangerous Holden to the side of it.
And sponsored by Hoffy, everyones dry cleaner.And motel.



Went to school with Gary Hoffmann,his mum used to pick me up on the way in the Aston DB2. Spent a lot of time at Rowley Park with them,still remember the night of the dreadful accident when Murray was badly burnt. cheers.

#7713 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:49

Went to school with Gary Hoffmann,his mum used to pick me up on the way in the Aston DB2. Spent a lot of time at Rowley Park with them,still remember the night of the dreadful accident when Murray was badly burnt. cheers.

I know Garry from Austin 7 Club events, He did a lot with Graham Benneche. Drove my HR a couple of times too.
He did circuit sprints in the Hoffmann Dry Cleaners XB V8 panel van. Fast delivery!
I too remember those Rowley days though very vaguely Murrays fire. I was only very young!!
I do remember Hoffy being starter though the last couple of seasons. When the place was a cow paddock. it kept him busy!

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 23:12

From the latest chapter I'm currently uploading to The Roaring Season by Bruce Wells. This is Peter Manton (left) and John Harvey going at it at Warwick Farm in late 1965. Superb car control on display!

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#7715 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:17

December 5, 1965...

The first time Harvey had the Shell stripes on the Mini, if I'm not mistaken. He'd beaten Manton in practice and then shot past him round Paddock in the start of the first race after Manton was first off the grid. But is this the first race, in which Manton outbraked himself at Polo to lose touch with the flying Harvey... or is it the later race in which he ran off the road out of the esses and almost rolled it after going up on a mound of earth?

All of this at Manton's first appearance at the Farm since his massive crash coming out of Homestead.

#7716 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:34

From the latest chapter I'm currently uploading to The Roaring Season by Bruce Wells. This is Peter Manton (left) and John Harvey going at it at Warwick Farm in late 1965. Superb car control on display!

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Front drive Understeer defined!

#7717 DanTra2858

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:11

Warwick Farm Esses 5th September 1971

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For the life of me I can not recall this car, whom out there has details on this car & it,s Drivers.

#7718 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:33

Is that Andy Roberts?

#7719 275 GTB-4

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:55

For the life of me I can not recall this car, whom out there has details on this car & it,s Drivers.


The car has a Turner smile about it....

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#7720 john medley

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 22:51

Richard Watson

#7721 seldo

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 00:21

The car has a Turner smile about it....

I think it's more likely a KM 200/300

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 04:22

That right gonad might be in danger fella.... :p

Loved the Telegoons...and yes, Sports Cavalcade are in the NFSA

http://colsearch.nfs...c=0;resCount=10


I asked Bill...he said...I was a regular at the Mount Panorama Races while at Stannies 1947 – 1951 but in 1960 I was assistant ABC rep in Canberra. The voice sounds like me but it isn’t, I’m not sure that its Nugget May either, but its probably the most likely bet.

So old "one ball" might be safe (for the time being!)

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:31

Jedda Climax brought from Canada by Neil Sykes, rebuilt by Andy Roberts as Climax Special, then to Richard Watson who had 1500 Cortina power.

Bill Peach wasnt at Stannies 1958: he was teaching at Epping Boys High School

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:00

Jedda Climax brought from Canada by Neil Sykes, rebuilt by Andy Roberts as Climax Special, then to Richard Watson who had 1500 Cortina power.

Bill Peach wasnt at Stannies 1958: he was teaching at Epping Boys High School


Thanks John....the internet is full of misinformation....Bill said, Stannies 1947 – 1951....and then (it is alleged!) that he started at the ABC in 1958 as well??

This was interesting....

http://www.abc.net.a...xt/s2025645.htm

PS Jedda Climax smile looks stolen from Turner? :)

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 13:49

Good spot on the front of that Falcon, Mick...

Who knows what it's about?

The thing that really perturbs me watching an old telecast of the Farm with Norman May commentating now is his insistent that viewers needed to know which numbers they were talking about, not the names of the drivers... he would go through a couple of sentences using the names, and then he'd emphatically add:

"So that's No 7 leading No 14, while No 10 is in the pits..."


Yes Ray,
This brings back memories of the grand old days of motor sport, Felix Mc Cullum an old friend and 'spruker' at Longford over a lot of years came into the pits to take a few notes to flower up his comentry and at this meeting I had updated my early white TR2 long door for the later short door series two TR2 which happened to be a daring pink in 1956 with it's colour listed as 'nipple pink' but in Felix's excited comentry it came out as 'tit red' which brought a excited reaction from the crowd back in those milder days of the sport!

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 20:56

Jedda Climax brought from Canada by Neil Sykes, rebuilt by Andy Roberts as Climax Special, then to Richard Watson who had 1500 Cortina power.


Thanks John for the info, nice looking car, would this have been the next car for Andy Roberts after his Hillman & is the Climax Special still around today.

#7727 seldo

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:49

Jedda Climax brought from Canada by Neil Sykes, rebuilt by Andy Roberts as Climax Special, then to Richard Watson who had 1500 Cortina power.

Bill Peach wasnt at Stannies 1958: he was teaching at Epping Boys High School

Thanks JM :) Sorry Mick for the mis-information...

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 13:24

A friend who collects photographs of early Australian motorcycles came across these recently. I am no expert on racing Rileys - I know there was one Dixon Riley in Australia post war, and others of local build - I am sure there are some here who can tell us which car this is, and maybe time and place?
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 14:22

A friend who collects photographs of early Australian motorcycles came across these recently. I am no expert on racing Rileys - I know there was one Dixon Riley in Australia post war, and others of local build - I am sure there are some here who can tell us which car this is, and maybe time and place?
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By chance I'm reading John Medley's John Snow book,
and there's an entry list for Nowra in 1947 with JF Snow
in Dixon Riley car no: 2.



#7730 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 21:03

The background looks like it might be Strathpine...

I don't think it's Nowra or Mt Druitt, definitely not Bathurst. Llandilo (Marsden Park) is another possibility with that background.

Edited by Ray Bell, 14 April 2013 - 21:04.


#7731 GMACKIE

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 21:32

Castlereagh, even.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:17

The background at Nowra would probably look like that.

I was wondering if it may have been Penrith pre-war?

#7733 David McKinney

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:05

No, the car didn't arrive in Australia till 1947

#7734 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:51

I don't think there was anywhere at Nowra that this kind of background existed, except perhaps a long way from anywhere cars would have been being put onto or taken off trailers...

I would expect background for a Nowra photo to include cleared land, runways, hangars and other air base buildings.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:59

When I posted these photos, which came together, I assumed they were the same car. However, on closer inspection, I am not so sure the second photo is the same car. The grille suround, chassis rails appear different, and the engine does not look like a high-cam Riley unit.

Do we know the car in first photo is a Dixon Riley, or is it one of the Australian cars?

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#7736 lyntonh

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 12:44

John Medley's book has a photo of Snow at Nowra in 1947 (on page 193).

The side number 2 on the opposite side is different to the photo seen here.

This would seem to stop the Nowra idea.

There's also a photo of the engine with 6 SU's.

The number on the second photo here seems to be a 2 offset nearside suggesting 12 or 22 perhaps.


The first photo certainly looks like the Dixon Riley photos I see here.

I'm sure John Medley will gladly sell you a copy of his book so you can continue your research....so far I'm finding that it's a very good read.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 14:11

that side on shot - doesn't look like a riley badge; seems to have wings
not unlike a few i can think of but could it not be an SS/Jaguar 2 1/2?
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and it could just be in the background of the riley shot - taken from where that fellow is standing ...

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 14:46

John Medley's book has a photo of Snow at Nowra in 1947 (on page 193).

There's also a photo of the engine with 6 SU's.


I would welcome a copy of that photo for my files as I have a colour one here which I bought c/w copyright from the 1970s showing 6 x SUs on what Allan Lupton tells me is a Riley engine. It is engine bay only.
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#7739 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 23:00

Originally posted by fnqvmuch
That side on shot - doesn't look like a riley badge; seems to have wings
not unlike a few i can think of but could it not be an SS/Jaguar 2 1/2?

And it could just be in the background of the Riley shot - taken from where that fellow is standing...


You're dead right there, it is (just) in the photo of the Riley...

But I don't think it's an SS, they had the carbies on the RH side of the engine IIRC. Could the pic be reversed? But what other pushrod 6-cylinder engine had twin SUs? Could it be a Wolseley? (I think the 25hp had carbies on the right too!)

Actually, the water distribution setup should identify that engine.

And yes, it is the Dixon Riley. I think I'll stand by Strathpine or Marsden Park.

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#7740 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 23:14

I take that back... an SS it is...

I found this pic which confirms everything. The three protruding bolts on top of the rocker cover, placement of the oil filler, the carby arrangement, the tacho drive. Other pics confirm the wings on the badge are SS too.

In that case, my hunch about Strathpine is even stronger or even confirmed... Keith Thallon's SS was around in those days.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 00:02

John Medley's book has a photo of Snow at Nowra in 1947 (on page 193).

The side number 2 on the opposite side is different to the photo seen here.

This would seem to stop the Nowra idea.

There's also a photo of the engine with 6 SU's.

The number on the second photo here seems to be a 2 offset nearside suggesting 12 or 22 perhaps.


The first photo certainly looks like the Dixon Riley photos I see here.

I'm sure John Medley will gladly sell you a copy of his book so you can continue your research....so far I'm finding that it's a very good read.

I think the 2 photos are of 2 different cars - 1 The Dixon Riley and 2 an SS. If you look at the profile of the radiator shells the top profile is quite different, with the second (SS?) having a prominent protruding peak at the top vs the Riley having a much smoother, rounded, sloping profile. As you say Lynton, the number on the grille also suggests a double digit, and is white vs black.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 00:29

Can't think of the chap's name, but he often ran an SS 100 at sprints [that's why Castlereagh came to mind].

One day, at Castlereagh, he put the SS on the trailer....because it was "going too well". When the alloy con-rods stretch, the compression goes up, along with the performance. Time to stop before a rod lets go! The later rods were steel.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 00:53

O/T but fwiw, at the same Tarrengower as the SS was this:
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:37

I take that back... an SS it is...

In that case, my hunch about Strathpine is even stronger or even confirmed... Keith Thallon's SS was around in those days.

I agree with SS for second photo, that was my hunch based on the radiator surround.

On Brian Darby's web page, Max Stahl collection page 3 is a photo of this same Riley, Dick Bland up, numbers etc identical to this photo. It does not say, but to me looks like probably Bathurst as it was taken from a high vantage point. So, if that caption is correct it seems likely that the subject Riley photo was taken during Dick Bland's ownership. Working on Ray's hunch re Strathpine, did Dick Bland ever run at Strathpine with the Riley?

According to JM's Bathurst tome, Hope Bartlett had the car after Snow, in 1947, so maybe 1948 or thereabouts(?), but I am way out of my depth here. A quick search of newspapers may have answered my own question - no mention anywhere of Bland and Riley at Strathpine, but Hope Bartlett did run there with a 6-carb Riley on 8-8-48. Maybe the Brian Darby website photo is actually Hope Bartlett?

The owner of the photos is already pleased with the feedback gents, thankyou.

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#7745 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:18

The Dixon Riley definitely appeared at Strathpine with Bartlett at the helm, I have a Courier Mail publicity photo of it somewhere among my stuff...

I have posted it here previously, I'm sure. But it's probably among the pics I posted via the Atlas F1 webspace, which got canned and I transferred it to my ISP's webspace, which got lost when they changed my service to satellite! It will be on a hard drive I have here that I can't access at the moment.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 23:01

December 5, 1965...

The first time Harvey had the Shell stripes on the Mini, if I'm not mistaken. He'd beaten Manton in practice and then shot past him round Paddock in the start of the first race after Manton was first off the grid. But is this the first race, in which Manton outbraked himself at Polo to lose touch with the flying Harvey... or is it the later race in which he ran off the road out of the esses and almost rolled it after going up on a mound of earth?

All of this at Manton's first appearance at the Farm since his massive crash coming out of Homestead.


Ray, I'm not sure whether to be impressed or slightly alarmed at your incredible ability for recalling the most infinite detail from events that happened 50 years ago! It is quite amazing. I have trouble remembering things from last week! Great description by the way.

I believe the Manton Cooper S was modified in such a way it could be set up as either right hand drive or left hand drive, depending on the direction of the track?


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 23:04

Another from Bruce Wells, of Jack Brabham getting crossed-up at Warwick Farm, 1967. That Repco V8 was a dramatic looking piece of kit!

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:18

Ray, I'm not sure whether to be impressed or slightly alarmed at your incredible ability for recalling the most infinite detail from events that happened 50 years ago! It is quite amazing. I have trouble remembering things from last week! Great description by the way.

I believe the Manton Cooper S was modified in such a way it could be set up as either right hand drive or left hand drive, depending on the direction of the track?

One of Mantons cars had a steering rack with two pinions, one at each end. They could swap the steering column and the pedal box very quickly. They only did this a couple of times as Manton didn't like the LHD driving position.

#7749 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:48

Correct... he once ran LHD at Catalina Park... I never saw it anywhere else...

Steve, I have to be honest, I wanted to check, I have all the Racing Car News issues from late 1964 to 1983 or so in binders in the cupboard right beside the computer.

But yes, it was my recall relating to the Shell stripes.

There are some things I have good recall on detail, but a lot I either check or look up in those old race reports. And I was frequently right there as things happened, those things are pretty much covered by memory.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:49

One of Mantons cars had a steering rack with two pinions, one at each end. They could swap the steering column and the pedal box very quickly. They only did this a couple of times as Manton didn't like the LHD driving position.


As yer know Mike, Minis were made to be either right or left hand drive....but not quickly convertible...

My Manton Question is: did they have two sets of clutch and brake masters plumbed in? swapped pedal box to waiting masters? Two pedal boxes? Two accelerator pedals? or some sort of linkage arrangement (unlikely) or quick release connections on the masters or geez Louise! run out of ideas :blush: :)