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#7751 Catalina Park

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:41

As yer know Mike, Minis were made to be either right or left hand drive....but not quickly convertible...

My Manton Question is: did they have two sets of clutch and brake masters plumbed in? swapped pedal box to waiting masters? Two pedal boxes? Two accelerator pedals? or some sort of linkage arrangement (unlikely) or quick release connections on the masters or geez Louise! run out of ideas :blush: :)

The steering rack is time consuming to change, you need to drop the sub-frame. So they got the working ends of a LHD and a RHD rack and stuck them together.
Swapping the pedal box and master cylinders from one side of the car can be done in about half an hour.
No need for quick connectors, from memory it is six nuts to remove the pedal box and just two hydraulic pipes to undo.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:04

The steering rack is time consuming to change, you need to drop the sub-frame. So they got the working ends of a LHD and a RHD rack and stuck them together.
Swapping the pedal box and master cylinders from one side of the car can be done in about half an hour.
No need for quick connectors, from memory it is six nuts to remove the pedal box and just two hydraulic pipes to undo.


Ummmm bleeding?

#7753 Catalina Park

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:09

Ummmm bleeding?

I think you would find that a top flight race team would probably be changing the brake fluid between meetings anyway. There is nothing hard about it.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:24

I think you would find that a top flight race team would probably be changing the brake fluid between meetings anyway. There is nothing hard about it.


Doh! Ummmm sorry, I was not thinking between meetings...just how quick you could change over :blush: Tah muchly Mike :up:

#7755 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:24

Absolutely right...

I'd never heard of the double-ended rack, but it makes sense. There definitely wasn't two cars. Manton told me that the Mini RHD rack was the same as the Sprite LHD rack, so a RHD Sprite rack would give LHD in a Mini.

#7756 Geoff Smedley

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:28

A friend who collects photographs of early Australian motorcycles came across these recently. I am no expert on racing Rileys - I know there was one Dixon Riley in Australia post war, and others of local build - I am sure there are some here who can tell us which car this is, and maybe time and place?
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This is the unmistakable 3.5 litre SS100 (Jaguar) and I recon i'ts a '37 build model

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 19:52

One of Mantons cars had a steering rack with two pinions, one at each end. They could swap the steering column and the pedal box very quickly. They only did this a couple of times as Manton didn't like the LHD driving position.


Here it is in lhd format at Catalina Park in 1965:

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:07

Absolutely right...

I'd never heard of the double-ended rack, but it makes sense. There definitely wasn't two cars. Manton told me that the Mini RHD rack was the same as the Sprite LHD rack, so a RHD Sprite rack would give LHD in a Mini.

That is about right with the racks, though the Australian made Mini rack was bigger/stronger than the UK one.

I have only seen photos of the LHD version at Catalina, the idea was that it would be useful at Sandown, Bathurst and Oran Pk as well.

#7759 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:21

In those times Manton wouldn't have contemplated running at Oran Park...

I don't think he ran it at Sandown, but maybe he did. I think my colour photo of him at Catalina, which was July '65, would have him on the passenger's side.

But even at Catalina (or maybe especially there...) the right-handed corners like Carrington (above) and especially Bosch would be more daunting sitting on that side of the car. The main corners turning left were all hairpins.

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#7760 Catalina Park

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:01

I was thinking the same thing, I would rather be on the right for the faster corners.
I run my vee there a couple of times and I still thought I was too close to the fences!

#7761 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:28

That's because your shoulders are so broad...

That photo in Carrington Curve certainly shows how it might be uncomfortable to be on the left there. But the fact is that all circuits have corners in both directions, it's one of the things you live with.

#7762 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 23:40

This seemed to be a 'thing' of having left and right drive cars. Moffat did it with RX7s too. Though if the car is corner weighted properly it makes no difference where the driver is.
Even in the 60s speedway racers at least did this with platform scales.
Fences being close are less dangerous than ones further away. You bounce off the close ones and smash into the more distant ones. The real distant ones generally are ok then, especially padded with tyres as most are these days. Though often they destroy the car worse, BUT not the driver.

#7763 terry mcgrath

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 03:42

The engine bay shot is an SS100
the likely cars are
39029 raced and hillclimbed by Keith Thallon Qld the last record I have is Whites Hill Qld 5/11/1949
18044 raced extensively by G Nicol NSW but not seen any pics of it competing without mudguards
18123 raced by Walter Mathison Qld including at the 1948 AGP at Bathurst #18 where he rolled it, he did run without mudguards last entry I have for him is August 1948.
18108 raced by Neville Webb first time june 1953 certainly had no mudguards later when owned by Geoff Brakell
Given the picture shows the tacho drive from the top of the OHV cover/rocker cover not lower down it is a 2 1/2 litre SS100 and the radiator grille shows race number ?2.
I really thought I would look at my records and put a chassis number on this car in a couple of seconds My best guess is the Walter Mathison car 18123.
I certainly would love to identify the car and location and it might be necessary to determine location first
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A friend who collects photographs of early Australian motorcycles came across these recently. I am no expert on racing Rileys - I know there was one Dixon Riley in Australia post war, and others of local build - I am sure there are some here who can tell us which car this is, and maybe time and place?
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:10

Another from Bruce Wells, of Jack Brabham getting crossed-up at Warwick Farm, 1967. That Repco V8 was a dramatic looking piece of kit!

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I'm not too sure Jack is all crossed up here Steve. Judging by where he is looking, off to his RHS, he seems to have been distracted by something.
Perhaps a rather good looking female flaggie?

#7765 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:03

He's looking back up the straight to see what's happening with a car behind him, I'm sure...

This is Creek Corner, the angle of his head is definitely looking back up the straight, I don't think he's going slowly as the wheels are spinning pretty fast here.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:06

The engine bay shot is an SS100
the likely cars are
39029 raced and hillclimbed by Keith Thallon Qld
18044 raced extensively by G Nicol NSW
18123 raced by Walter Mathison Qld
18108 raced by Neville Webb first time june 1953
Given the picture shows the tacho drive from the top of the OHV cover/rocker cover not lower down it is a 2 1/2 litre SS100 and the radiator grille shows race number ?2.
I really thought I would look at my records and put a chassis number on this car in a couple of seconds My best guess is the Walter Mathison car 18123.

Following Ray's earlier hunch that the venue was Strathpine, the following AMS report was found by Grant Barrett, who owns the photos. It confirms that the Dixon Riley of Hope Bartlett ran with number 2 as per the photo, and also has photo of the Thallon SS100. I think we can be fairly confident Strathpine 8-8-48 is correct, but Terry's advice re another QLD SS100 2 1/2 litre of Mathison throws the possibility it was not the Thallon car as speculated earlier. The second digit of number on radiator does seem to be a 2, wheras Thallon ran with 5. Also, the Thallon car seems to be a darker colour than shown in our photo. So was Mathison at this meeting? Yes he was, finishing fifth in one race, and winning another.

So it would seem likely Terry is likely correct in nominating Walter Mathison with his 2 1/2 litre car.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:59

I took this shot at the Northern Crossing at Warwick Farm on 2nd May 1971.

I haven't a clue who it is.....

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 21:18

I took this shot at the Northern Crossing at Warwick Farm on 2nd May 1971.

I haven't a clue who it is.....

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Appears to be a Sports Sedan to me, the drivers door still has the quarter vent window but it is not apparent on the passenger front door.

The guards front & back are flared to cover the wheels which appear to be about 8 inch wide, also there can be seen a large pipe coming out under the l/h side of the car.

If Barry Sharp had done the conversion the Cortina could be running a 289 Ford motor.

Nice Cortina photo

#7769 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 23:57

Appears to be a Sports Sedan to me, the drivers door still has the quarter vent window but it is not apparent on the passenger front door.

The guards front & back are flared to cover the wheels which appear to be about 8 inch wide, also there can be seen a large pipe coming out under the l/h side of the car.

If Barry Sharp had done the conversion the Cortina could be running a 289 Ford motor.

Nice Cortina photo

Five stud diff too. Interesting is the two recesses in the back apron for exhaust pipes. So it may well have been a V8 road car before becoming a racecar. And defenitly a Sports Sedan

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:42

Five stud diff too. Interesting is the two recesses in the back apron for exhaust pipes. So it may well have been a V8 road car before becoming a racecar. And defenitly a Sports Sedan


Lee I was running a Torana diff assy in the back of my Cortina but I know of another that was running a Valiant rear end, but there is no reason why it may be running a Falcon assy, may also haved been changed from leaf spring to a coil setup???

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:15

In 1971 a Torana diff would have been fairly rare. And fragile with a V8. I don't reckon it is though may be wrong. They are about the only thing that narrow unmodified. My guess though would be a narrowed 8" from a compact Fairlane. Particularly with the Barry Sharp influence! Cheap in the day with a decent choice of ratios. And much widened Zephyr 13" rims.
Austin A90 could be a starter too. Though the spigot does not look large enough. Then you use much widened 13" Austin 1800 wheels.
You may be right about coil overs too. I cannot see the back of the leaf spring.

You see Linton. good pics can be discussed 40 years later!

#7772 Team Result

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:39

Just a guess, but the driver may be Bill Tatham. He raced a rapid V8 Mk1 Cortina Sports Sedan at Surfers Paradise Raceway, possibly at Lakeside as well. IIRC, he was a commercial pilot (Qantas?) and Bill Tatham may have been his 'nom de plume'. It was red in colour with little or no signage on it.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:39

Just a guess, but the driver may be Bill Tatham. He raced a rapid V8 Mk1 Cortina Sports Sedan at Surfers Paradise Raceway, possibly at Lakeside as well. IIRC, he was a commercial pilot (Qantas?) and Bill Tatham may have been his 'nom de plume'. It was red in colour with little or no signage on it.


Just had a chance to find the programme from the 2 May 1971 meeting. Driver is Tony Mac - Ford Cortina GT V8 of 4784cc - colour orange. Sorry, don't know anything about him. Calling Mr Bell............

#7774 lyntonh

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:02

Warwick Farm 21st November 1971

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An EH Holden Sports Sedan & John Leffler's Mini

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John Leffler trying some sort of late entry line

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And today's mystery car...

#7775 275 GTB-4

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:10

Fabulous shots of John Leffler....TAH! :love:

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:13

Warwick Farm 21st November 1971



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And today's mystery car...


Bill Fanning?

But a quick look at Autopics suggests not. Hmmm.




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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:39

Paul Fahey - Alan Mann BDA Escort

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 19:14

And didn't it cause a fuss when Michael Stillwell protested it Peter! Fahey was not impressed after coming all the way across the ditch - I don't think he ever came back either did he?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 19:28

Bruce, if you type Escort into the Advanced Search on oldracephotos.com there are 4 shots of the car on the 2nd page................

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#7780 Dale Harvey

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 21:21

The EH in front of Leffo would be Malcolm Bailey.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 21:41

Had a chat with 'Leffo' at the Easter FOSC meeting, at Wakefield Park......some nostalgia present. ;)

#7782 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:28

Yes, there was a lot of noise about the engine in Fahey's car...

And he was smugly saying it was right. I think the results stood, but I can't check tonight.

As for the Cortina's rear end, that might easily have been a Zephyr unit. The Mk 1 (not so likely, coarse splines) and the Mk 2 had pretty narrow rear ends and I'm sure Sharpy knew them well. I frankly don't recall anything about Tony Mac, I would have seen him race it, of course, but not taken a lot of notice.

#7783 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:33

Yes, there was a lot of noise about the engine in Fahey's car...

And he was smugly saying it was right. I think the results stood, but I can't check tonight.

As for the Cortina's rear end, that might easily have been a Zephyr unit. The Mk 1 (not so likely, coarse splines) and the Mk 2 had pretty narrow rear ends and I'm sure Sharpy knew them well. I frankly don't recall anything about Tony Mac, I would have seen him race it, of course, but not taken a lot of notice.

Zephyr diff may be an option, though the Mk2 diff I still fragile with a V8 under race conditions and are a bit wide for a Cortina. Mk 1 width would be ok.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:10

Michael Raffan Creek Corner Warwick Farm Practice 1st May 1971
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Interesting story about this car...to me anyway.

In mid 1969 I was looking to buy my own first car.

A bloke we knew from Adelaide had left his Sprite at our place in Sydney while he did his tour of duty in Vietnam.

I got to know the car quite well while he was away, & reckoned I could see myself owning one.

A mate of mine saw an ad for one on sale somewhere out west, so we went out to look at it.

The owner wasn't home, so we snuck a look over the back fence at a BRG & yellow bug eye.

It looked like it was a half finished project, & needed heaps of work, & besides, as it started to rain, & without a tonneau cover anywhere to be seen,
I decided to think the better of using an open sports car as a road car in Sydney & ended up with a very practical FC Holden!

You can imagine my surprise when Raffan turned up at the Farm racing the thing.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:25

Graham Moore Warwick Farm 1st May 1971
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I'm intrigued by his high mounted mirror.

Could it be that he found that the "duck's bum" got in the way when he used the standard Holden issue?

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He used it again in September 1971.

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#7786 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 22:13

Door frame mounted mirrors were quite common up to about 1970. That looks like a Wibroc universal mirror. The LC mirror was quite small so it seems he liked the higher position with a bigger lense. With hindsight I have always used LJ mirrors on those cars. Same head as a HQ with a different shape post. Or just use the HQ, or a Valiant head on the LC post.
That car seems to have rather skinny tyres. It must be an illusion as Graham was always a better performer.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:28

I also used one of those "clamp-on" door mirrors because the rules required that you have an external mirror and I didn't want to drill a panel, so the cheapest Wibroc clip-on was the go...

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:41

Not bad mirrors, those.....unless the two little grub screws came loose [or worse still, fell out]. At least the mirror stayed on...until you opened the door.

#7789 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 08:33

Originally posted by lyntonh
Michael Raffan Creek Corner Warwick Farm Practice 1st May 1971
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You can imagine my surprise when Raffan turned up at the Farm racing the thing.


From memory, that had a red Holden motor, didn't it?

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:08

Door frame mounted mirrors were quite common up to about 1970. That looks like a Wibroc universal mirror. The LC mirror was quite small so it seems he liked the higher position with a bigger lense. With hindsight I have always used LJ mirrors on those cars. Same head as a HQ with a different shape post. Or just use the HQ, or a Valiant head on the LC post.
That car seems to have rather skinny tyres. It must be an illusion as Graham was always a better performer.



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I went one further in '63, attaching a proper aerodynamic racing mirror instead of the Wibroc rectangle, on the brick faced EH :))

#7791 Amaroo Park

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:53

What was the extentent of Muirs Motors involvement that year Kevin?

#7792 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:19

Where's the standard equipment mirror?

That was a part of the S4 package, as I recall. And that looks like a Saturday photo, too.

From what I remember you telling me, that car (DBS-444) was later burned out... or crashed and burned... KB?

#7793 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 23:13

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Holden-S 4 Bathurst at Hell corner '63 by kbracing, on Flickr

I went one further in '63, attaching a proper aerodynamic racing mirror instead of the Wibroc rectangle, on the brick faced EH :))

Getting a bit fancy Kevin,, and was it a true series production part! Or a cheater advantage!
As a matter off interest did those EHs use bonnet pins or a separate strap as having 'lost' a couple of EH bonnets over the years I know they are very susceptible to coming up, and the 'safety' catch never seems to catch them.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 04:26

Getting a bit fancy Kevin,, and was it a true series production part! Or a cheater advantage!
As a matter off interest did those EHs use bonnet pins or a separate strap as having 'lost' a couple of EH bonnets over the years I know they are very susceptible to coming up, and the 'safety' catch never seems to catch them.



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They were only supplied with an interior mirror. Regulations called for two mirrors. The bonnets had no additional device (s) as you can see from the three wheeler pic. Have some shots of that event and car but no idea of photographer(s)

#7795 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 04:52

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They were only supplied with an interior mirror. Regulations called for two mirrors. The bonnets had no additional device (s) as you can see from the three wheeler pic. Have some shots of that event and car but no idea of photographer(s)

Broken stub axle or broken wheel centre?

I still like EHs but they were a bit fragile so say the least. Plus the built in scoop to pick the bonnet up when it became unlatched on a bumpy road.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:26

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Anzac Day 1954, Mt Druitt????

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 22:07

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Anzac Day 1954, Mt Druitt????

What a great photo, TR.......Any more?

I recon I can make out Bob Pritchett, and Ian Heather [Snr].


#7798 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 22:18

A very nice addition to this collection...

Please keep them coming!

#7799 ellrosso

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 02:55

Great atmosphere - more please!

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#7800 TR0003

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 06:43

There will be more. When I was 7 in 1954 my parents took me to the Anzac Day Race Meeting at Mt Druitt. I don't know why as they were totally disinterested in motor racing and lived on the northern beaches. Anyway it led to a lifelong interest in cars and motor racing. In particular I needed a TR2 though that didn't happen for 50 years and is a TR3A. Added in to this is my long term friend Clive Edwards. Only recently we were walking around the old Catalina Park circuit and I was talking about long dead tracks like Mt Druitt and explained me being there. He happened to be going through old family photographs and found some which were taken apparently by his grandmother, Catherine Carter who was there with her husband, Frank Carter and son, Jack Carter (Clive's uncle) who raced a Citroen sedan and MG Midget. Jack is still alive and is helping to make sense of the photos, mainly to do with time and place. The photo as posted is certainly Mt Druitt and possibly Anzac day 1954 in which case I am a spectator in the background.

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