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#7851 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 10:34

One from Terry McGrath...

I will allow him to detail everything, but I think he has some questions about it. A nice pic, I think:

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#7852 Ian G

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 00:51

A few nice cars to go under the hammer for any reader with time & money.

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#7853 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 15:26

Originally posted by Myself
One from Terry McGrath...

I will allow him to detail everything, but I think he has some questions about it. A nice pic, I think:

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Terry hasn't come back on this...

How would we be with the 'who, what, when and where' on this one?

#7854 MatthewMagilton

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:58

At the risk of offending probably everyone ... do you think this is a staged photograph?

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#7855 Dewie

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:15

At the risk of offending probably everyone ... do you think this is a staged photograph?

Matthew.

Mmm, I don't think so looking at the N/S rear tyre distorsion on #21 and N/S front wheel flex on #5

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#7856 Catalina Park

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:57

Would Parramatta Park be correct?

#7857 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 10:12

Parramatta Park is indeed correct...

Which corner?

#7858 Catalina Park

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 10:32

Parramatta Park is indeed correct...

Which corner?

Not sure, too many right handers to think of. Maybe near the rotunda?

#7859 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 11:02

Again correct...

This is the Rotunda Hairpin, just over the hill from Government House, they are aiming to rush down alongside the Main Western Line.

Starters and riders?

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#7860 brucemoxon

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 11:41

Again correct...

This is the Rotunda Hairpin, just over the hill from Government House, they are aiming to rush down alongside the Main Western Line.

Starters and riders?


The 'Rotunda' was the Governor's Bathhouse. It's at the very top of the hill, so the Convicts could be made to lug water as far as possible from the source. I got married in it in 1994.

And that road is so narrow - it beggars belief they had racing on it. Brave.



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#7861 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 20:18

This is the 'short circuit', of course...

Remember that the long course had a 'no passing' stretch alongside the river.

Nice spot to get married, Bruce!

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 23:23

The Poms are taking a long time to come up with some 'Convict Jokes'. :wave:

Parramatta Park is one of the tracks I remember as a kid. Another couple are Maroubra [remains of the concrete banking], and the racing at Mount Druitt.

Edited by GMACKIE, 01 June 2013 - 23:31.


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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:07

That appears to be the Governor's Daimler parked in the background. Actually there appears to be a trio of class cars.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 06:46

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The Poms are taking a long time to come up with some 'Convict Jokes'. :wave:


Greg,

This constant 'banter' about convicts is old hat & long gone history. It is no longer big or clever to mention it. We Poms have learned to love & respect our southern hemisphere brethren as full, honest & industrious members of the world society.

Now back in your cell.

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#7865 GMACKIE

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:14

The 'Rotunda' was the Governor's Bathhouse.



Bruce Moxon


Bathhouse?.......Wasn't the Governor a Pom? :wave:


#7866 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:25

Perhaps he was...

But what about his girlfriends?

#7867 brucemoxon

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 20:40

Bathhouse?.......Wasn't the Governor a Pom? :wave:


I believe he bathed every month; whether he needed to or not.

Of course, the Parramatta river is about 200 metres down the hill - don't know why he didn't just go in there, at least in Summer.




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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:58

The 'Rotunda' was the Governor's Bathhouse. It's at the very top of the hill, so the Convicts could be made to lug water as far as possible from the source. I got married in it in 1994.

And that road is so narrow - it beggars belief they had racing on it. Brave.
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FEAR NOT,gentle reader,no Convicts were misused in this instance. Water was pumped from the river,heated, and after use in the baths,drained to the duck pond near the Macquarie Gate. Governor Brisbane ,in 1820 aged 56 and a career military man, married and may have been out to impress the new missus in 1821 wheh he became Governor and soon built the bathhouse.

Bruce Moxon


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#7869 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 05:59

Johnny...

Can you please cut that line of hyphens so we don't have to scroll across to read your post?

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 05:59

Of course, the Parramatta river is about 200 metres down the hill - don't know why he didn't just go in there, at least in Summer.

BM


I think you should do more research on early sewage systems BM...that might give you the answer :)

#7871 johnny yuma

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:07

Johnny...

Can you please cut that line of hyphens so we don't have to scroll across to read your post?


Murphy's Law,sorry.

#7872 Ian G

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:59

One of the MotorKhana grounds we used to compete at in the late 1960's was a park in the heart of Parramatta,there used to be people everywhere on a Sunday and no one could believe the Council allowed Motor sport events to be held as not only was the noise a problem but we also ripped up the grass.The reason we were given for the Council approval was that Motorsport had been conducted in the area for over 50 years so not sure if its related to the above posts.

#7873 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:47

Could you locate it on a map?

We can soon put it right if you can...

#7874 Ian G

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:51

Not sure Ray,i had a look at a map before posting but nothing jogged my memory,all i remember was it wasn't far from the Town Centre,somebody will know which Park/Ground it was.

#7875 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:50

Was it near the swimming pool?

The speedway ran near there for many years...

#7876 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:14

Was it near the swimming pool?

The speedway ran near there for many years...

While not knowing Sydney very well there still is a speedway. Parramatta City Raceway.
As for motorsport events in populated areas even 20 years ago I attended events in Shopping Centre Car Parks, vacant suburban industrial blocks,or in one case a block of vacant residential land, car parks at a Speedway, the back of the Birdwood oval diagonally opposite the National motor Museum.
I doubt anyone would get a run at any of those sites these days, even a simple show and shine style event attracts all the whingers

#7877 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:31

This was the Parramatta Speedway, Lee...

The one now known as Parramatta City Raceway was a latecomer, it sprang up in the seventies IIRC and is actually in Granville. That's if it's not Clyde.

The Parramatta Speedway is now the football stadium, across the river from the old road racing circuit but still within Parramatta Park.

I remember, too, when the Manly-Warringah club held motorkhanas in the carpark of the Warringah Mall at Brookvale on Saturday afternoons or Sundays. The shops weren't open at those times then!

#7878 GMACKIE

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:12

The Sutherland Shire Automobile Club held motorkhanas on the Miranda Fair carpark back then , too.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 14:34

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#7882 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 21:03

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What an interesting shot!

Is this at the old Warwick hillclimb?

What further details can you give us? And welcome to our playground, too...

#7883 fredeuce

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 22:05

What an interesting shot!

Is this at the old Warwick hillclimb?

What further details can you give us? And welcome to our playground, too...


That is an American '57 Ford Fairlane. Not the same as the Aust. '57 Fords and so something of a rare car here in this country.

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#7884 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 22:40

Indeed...

One of the reasons it's an interesting shot.

The only other road racing efforts I can recall in other than an Australian model (excluding things like Mustangs) were the two Chevs (including Silverdale hillclimb), the two Galaxies, Caelli's Plymouth and the supercharged Studebaker Lark.

#7885 GMACKIE

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 22:54

Don Gibson, Dodge; Len Lukey, Customline........two that spring to mind. Or am I going back too far?

#7886 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 22:59

No...

They were Australian production models. Just as Sid Sakzewski's '58 Plymouth and '60 Dodge Phoenix were.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 23:47

No...

They were Australian production models. Just as Sid Sakzewski's '58 Plymouth and '60 Dodge Phoenix were.

So, did you mean 'non-Australian production' touring cars?

If so, there are many.....Jag, Morris, Porsche, Alfa, etc., etc., etc.


#7888 Shane Bowden

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 00:22

Great photos Big Rev! I suspect the venue is Templestowe hillclimb?

regard Shane

#7889 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 00:26

Indeed...

One of the reasons it's an interesting shot.

The only other road racing efforts I can recall in other than an Australian model (excluding things like Mustangs) were the two Chevs (including Silverdale hillclimb), the two Galaxies, Caelli's Plymouth and the supercharged Studebaker Lark.

Norm Beecheys 409 Chev. Though almost an Australian car as it was the only 409 4 door ever made.
The ex Brit series Galaxie that Hodgson among others owned.
Which others?
In the past I have seen a few odd bod American cars at club hillclimbs including Studebakers, Mercury Cougars, Ranchero and a T bird. The 'Bakers were race cars the rest were having a spirited Sunday drive. And no I do not know their Provenance.

#7890 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 00:39

Okay... to clarify what I said...

The original term I used was 'Australian model', which I meant to say was they were cars off an assembly line somewhere in Australia.

Yes, the Jags weren't a part of this, but Morrises were, Alfas and so on came later. The only hole in my argument here is that I mentioned Alan Caelli's Plymouth which ran about 1965 or '66. Otherwise I could say 'pre-64', though the supercharged Studebaker ran in '64 anyway.

Yes, Lee, I mentioned Beechey's 409, I mentioned the Chev that Hodgson owned - I said 'the two Chevs' - (he never had a Galaxie), and it's logical I don't know about cars which only occasionally ran in local events. Just as this Fairlane did.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 00:45

The photos are from Templestowe hillclimb. The monaro is Laurie Nelson. But the rest are a mystery look like a lotus 11??

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#7892 Paul Newby

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:19

The photos are from Templestowe hillclimb. The monaro is Laurie Nelson. But the rest are a mystery look like a lotus 11??

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Hi Big Rev,

That is indeed the ex- Macrow / Woelders HDT HT Monaro GT327 that Lawrie (with a “w”) Nelson purchased off the team for $2,500 after the 69 Bathurst race. Lawrie only owned the Monaro for a year - I wonder where it is now?

I wrote a profile on Lawrie Nelson for Australian Muscle Car magazine last year.




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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:57

The "Lotus 11" is I believe Ian McDonald's Tarquin(Hillman power?)

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:29

Great shots. If my eyes don't deceive me, the major sponsor on the Monaro (350, not 327) is a cake shop. A major source of funding sadly neglected to date by the racing teams of the world.

#7895 Dick Willis

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:38

The "Lotus 11" is I believe Ian McDonald's Tarquin(Hillman power?)



Which Lotus " Eleven", John.

#7896 GMACKIE

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:42

Great shots. If my eyes don't deceive me, the major sponsor on the Monaro (350, not 327) is a cake shop. A major source of funding sadly neglected to date by the racing teams of the world.

That sort of advertising would surely improve their 'turnover'. :blush:


#7897 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:44

Last post on the previous page, Dick...

Here it is again:

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:09

If its the Tarquin, which it apparently is, it is TC powered, note the carby tops on the rh side of the motor, Hillman carbs are on the left.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:52

Thanks, Dick. I stand corrected.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:25

Hi Big Rev,

That is indeed the ex- Macrow / Woelders HDT HT Monaro GT327 that Lawrie (with a “w”) Nelson purchased off the team for $2,500 after the 69 Bathurst race. Lawrie only owned the Monaro for a year - I wonder where it is now?

I wrote a profile on Lawrie Nelson for Australian Muscle Car magazine last year.

HT 350.