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#8001 cooper997

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:21

Lindsay,

I have January 30, June 11 & August 20, 1967 Catalina programmes and B Carter is listed as the #20 Sprite in each.

Two of the 3 also list #10 Team Honda/Noel Riley Honda S800 - those being June & Aug. The August meeting also has #9 Team Honda/K Brian listed, plus Riley's car has increased from 791cc to a massive 818cc by this meeting.

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#8002 cooper997

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:42

The Oran Park Honda & Sprite photos are possibly the July 2, 1967 meeting. Well the numbers correspond to that.

#23 Sprite is listed as David Scales & #7 is Total Kingsgrove Service Station/ R Schollbach.

For the record #85 Honda is listed as Brian & #86 is Riley. All from Event 1.

In Event 4 #16 is Ian B Hamilton Porsche Speedster 1587cc

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 05:13

Terrific, thanks Stephen, huge help. Will probably have to bother you again in the the not too distant future once I scan some more if thats OK. I've got 3 1967 RCN's with Oran Park/Amaroo/W Farm race reports

but they are pretty limited re info. Cheers, Lindsay R



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Posted 08 September 2013 - 06:40

If I have the programme, happy to help Lindsay.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:51

I don't recall the name,what years did the car race?

During 69-70. He co-owned the car with Peter Stanley. Would love to make contact with either Peter or Neil Moore.



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 12:44

I remember Neil Moore punting a Cooper S at Wanneroo early days.



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Posted 14 September 2013 - 01:26

Stephen, just wondering if I can trouble you or anyone else with info for captions on these shots please. (Shot of the trucks Oran Park infield is included for interest sake - good atmosphere I thought). Thanks in advance.4429_P_Start_67-lo_zps2cc090fc.jpg8240_P_EH_67-lo_zpse0a165ac.jpg8227_P_S800_67-lo_zpse0832745.jpg8241_P_FC_67-lo_zpsac1e965c.jpg8238_P_Morri_67-lo_zps1798f988.jpg8239_P_Blitz_67-lo_zpsc990915c.jpg8237_P_Lo23_67-lo_zpsd401f9b3.jpg8236_P_Spitf_67-lo_zps839a3717.jpg8235_P_Midget_67-lo_zpsa060d95f.jpg8231_P_Ang_67-lo_zpscdbcfae0.jpg8229_P_Club_67-lo_zps4693fd63.jpg8228_P_EH_67-lo_zps9061d63d.jpg


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#8008 Dale Harvey

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 05:48

Lotus 23 # 111 is Johnny Martin, Lotus Super seven # 67 would be Stan Pinkerton, Lotus Super seven # 21 would be Alex MacArthur or Bob Beasley.
Mini #49 could be Malcom Bailey and the humpy on the outside of the Morris Minor is possibly Bernie Johnson or Peter Collins.

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 12:16

The March 27, 1967 Bathurst photo should be Event 5 Mount Panorama Trophy Race - Sports Car Scratch Race of 10 laps.

If I've spotted all the numbers correctly then this race start photo features the following -
#46 K Cafe Healey Sprite 1098
#47 Ken Ward Morgan 4/4 1498
#67 Kevin Wolfe Honda S600 606
#7 Bob Jane Racing Team/Bob Jane/Spencer Martin Repco Elfin V8 4400 - shows BJ throwing his arms up having oiled the plugs.
#27 M Nedelko Lotus Super Seven 1485
#41 R Worboys/ Frank Walters Volante Ford 4457

The photos showing Spitfire & Midget could be from the June 11, 1967 Catalina meeting. Event 1 Marque Sports Car Scratch Race - 6 laps.
#17 Scuderia Avanti/R Woods Triumph Spitfire 1147
#36 Bob Rowntree MG Midget 1098

The #111 John Malcolm Motors/ John Martin Lotus 23B that Dale has already identified is probably the same meeting. But Event 2 Sports Car Scratch Race, Division 1 & Clubman Section - 6 laps.

More to follow.

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 18:57

Thanks Dale and Stephen, much appreciated. Cheers, Lindsay



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 02:24

To clarify the Lotus 23B, Spitfire and Midget photos relating to the June 11, 1967 Catalina meeting, RCN has it that it rained on race day. But practice day had been dry. So these could be during practice. Failing that, if anyone has the April 23, 1967 Catalina programme then if the car numbers correspond then that meeting is a chance.

On a higher res photo of the #6 EH smoking at OP, can Dave Price be read on the front guard, Lindsay? He's listed in the July 2, 1967 programme, but as #69.

The Anglia & Mini shot corresponds to July 2, 1967 Oran Park meeting.
Event 5 Sports Cars (Grand Touring) Invitation Scratch Race - 8 laps
#14 Padstow Auto Port/Jesse Griffiths Lotus Anglia 1750
#80 Garry W Cooke Morris 850 1275
The RCN reports that they had a battle together during this race.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 05:41

If that EH is Dave Price then it is the ex Brian Muir S4. I can't remember the colour when Price raced it.
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Posted 15 September 2013 - 06:16

Dale 

 

It was still red but had horizontal white across front of bonnet

....ex Muir, Terry Allan, Dave Price, Gary Rogers


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 09:33

Stephen, very few of the shots are pin sharp so its really hard to get the driver's names unless they are in large text. The guy who took these was actually a mechanic (Stuart Phillips - now lives in Tassy building models, mainly marine). He was good mates with Gerry Martin (Cortina GT) and went to a lot of race meetings with him, so lots of shots of the Cortina and John Martin's Lotus 23. The film was bulk loaded and rolled loosely in film canisters - really dusty and scratched from the bulk loader (a lot of out of focus shots or blurred too). I didn't think I'd get much out of them when I first started scanning but now I'm using my Epson flat bed (softer light source) they are not quite so bad and I'm getting a lot more usable material, especially mid field competitors who may not have had much attention from the accredited shooters.

Its so good you have these programs as it would be really difficult to get concrete info without them. Thanks again for taking the time to dig it out and post it (as with everyone else who has offered feedback).



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:22

Lindsay,

I take it that you consider these photos are the same meeting per circuit, based on the same roll of fillm?

It would be easier if I had more Oran Park programmes, but that is one circuit I haven't got many for.

On the iPad I can enlarge the #6 EH trying to concentrate on that front guard where there's a name. But it just gets too fuzzy. Hence why I quizzed whether a higher res version might make it a little easier for a clearer view. Having said that, it looks to be 2 words with possibly 4 and 5 letters respectively. So Dave Price.

Currently the Warwick Farm photo has me uncertain. I think I have all but one 1967 WF open meeting programme, but it's probably Murphy's law that this photo potentially relates to the missing programme. Would it be possible Tasmanian Honda S600/800 enthusiast, Stephen P be able to enlighten us?

Meantime we enjoy Stuart's efforts all those years ago.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 20:51

Some of the films are fairly easy to discern as separate meetings as the weather is completely different, but even that gauge is not 100% reliable of course. Re the Warwick Farm images I'm pretty sure I have at least 2 meetings , maybe 3. One of which is definitely the '67 Tasman round. Another is the meeting Paul Hawkins raced the Lola T70 and the other I think could be the '67 AJC Trophy which featured the NZ Mustangs of Fahey, Dawson, Terry Allen Camaro, 2nd Jane Mustang etc. Re Oran Park I reckon I have at least 3 meetings, 2 at Catalina (one of which is the Beechey Nova, Pete Geoghegan clash in very poor weather), 2 at Amaroo, Bathurst 500 1967, Surfers 12 hr '67, Castlereagh drags 1967 and 1 Hume Weir meeting from 1967. I did think some were 1968 but now I'm thinking it was all 1967 - he certainly got around! I enlarged the EH hi-res shot and it is still too fuzzy to really tell, but it could be "David Price (D)".


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 22:09

The Honda S800 #27 at Warwick Farm is Ken Brian. The date may be 10/9/67 but not 100% certain as don't have every program.



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 22:50

Just wondering if any TNF'rs can help me with these shots re drivers. I know Ken Bryan, Noel Riley in the S800's, but need the Sprites, Catalina Honda, Porsche No16 and confirmation of John Smailes S600 at Amaroo. Any help appreciated.8219_P_S800_68-lo_zps34251630.jpg8226_P_S600_67-lo_zpsb22e468c.jpg8225_P_Pors_67-lo_zpsac7b0ebb.jpg8224_P_S800_67-lo_zpsfa750fd8.jpg8222_P_Sprite_67-lo_zps3c08ffa1.jpg8220_P_S800_67-lo_zps8f0fc66f.jpg

The Oran Park photos with the Hondas # 85 and 86 (Ken Brian & Noel Riley respectively) could be 2nd July 67 and from RCN the race included Bob Schollbach and David Scales in Sprites. The S600 at Amaroo (Smailes) is Noel Riley's S600, as on cover of Sports Cars Specials #8, and whilst Riley was # 29 at some time in 66 the driver looks too tall to be Noel. Australian Auto Sportsman August 67 indicates John Smailes had an S600 at Amaroo 18th June 67 but I don’t have his #. Riley and Brian's S800s arrived in about May or June 67 and presumably the S600 was sold. I heard a story long ago that it was then sent to NZ, smashed, and then the 5-speed box re-imported to Australia. The last photo of S800 #10 at Catalina is Noel Riley and could be 11 June 67 where he was #10. Keep the photos coming!



#8019 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:33

The sports car No 11 at the Farm...

 

Isn't that an Ian Hindmarsh Motors entry?



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 03:05

Looks very much like the Elfin BMC which Ian Hindmarsh/David Moline drove at the '67 Surfers 12 hr Ray - perhaps Stephen can confirm. Stephen S800, I have an Oran Park night meeting on October 14th with NZ'r David Slater S800 and John Smailes S600. Slater was having a good scrap with Weir in the TR4 while Smailes was bringing up the rear. The RCN Amaroo June 18th report has Noel Riley S800 and Smailes in the S600 - Group B sporty race. Re the No 53 Morris Minor shot posted before, could that be Bruce Cary?


Edited by ellrosso, 16 September 2013 - 03:39.


#8021 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:18

We need Paul Hamilton to drop in on this thread right now...

 

He'd know these blokes.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:50

Few more, some of which I know. Will have to scan some more tonight.8233_P_Elan_67-lo_zpsbde6845f.jpg8232_P_Cort_67-lo_zpsf3df2bd4.jpg8230_P_Mori_67-lo_zpsfb913f61.jpg4597_P_Club_67-lo_zps63c60d23.jpg8116_P_Volvo_67-lo_zps2afe4398.jpg8118_P_FJ_67-lo_zps0b28b34d.jpg8119_P_Volvo_67-lo_zpsb2e00d37.jpg



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 09:12

Stephen, very few of the shots are pin sharp so its really hard to get the driver's names unless they are in large text. The guy who took these was actually a mechanic (Stuart Phillips - now lives in Tassy building models, mainly marine). He was good mates with Gerry Martin (Cortina GT) and went to a lot of race meetings with him, so lots of shots of the Cortina and John Martin's Lotus 23. The film was bulk loaded and rolled loosely in film canisters - really dusty and scratched from the bulk loader (a lot of out of focus shots or blurred too). I didn't think I'd get much out of them when I first started scanning but now I'm using my Epson flat bed (softer light source) they are not quite so bad and I'm getting a lot more usable material, especially mid field competitors who may not have had much attention from the accredited shooters.

Its so good you have these programs as it would be really difficult to get concrete info without them. Thanks again for taking the time to dig it out and post it (as with everyone else who has offered feedback).

 

You could try taking a picture of a print with a digital camera....set to a large size...that way you may get a higher resolution.



#8024 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:04

No, ultimately you can't get any more out of an image than what's there...

 

And while digital cameras do a good job and are often easier an quicker than a scanner, the scanner will get the highest resolution possible.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:15

Few more, some of which I know. Will have to scan some more tonight.8233_P_Elan_67-lo_zpsbde6845f.jpg8232_P_Cort_67-lo_zpsf3df2bd4.jpg8230_P_Mori_67-lo_zpsfb913f61.jpg4597_P_Club_67-lo_zps63c60d23.jpg8116_P_Volvo_67-lo_zps2afe4398.jpg8118_P_FJ_67-lo_zps0b28b34d.jpg8119_P_Volvo_67-lo_zpsb2e00d37.jpg

Barry Sharps Zephyr looks 'mean' among that lot. Does anyone have some pics of it alone.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:26

Yes, they are A3 @ 300 dpi, around 70 - 80 + mb mostly so they aren't small files. The problems with these are in the original negs and the equipment they were shot on - probably pre-set telephotos I'd imagine. There are "hot spots"

on most of the shots taken on one particular lens by the looks of it and a few of the films are really over developed so the grain is very heavy. Then they were possibly hung up in the bathroom to dry and were coated with dust!

Still, they are shots taken in 1967 of a lot of cars and competitors and are a valuable resource in their own right - I have to warn clients of the quality though.... His stuff has actually sold pretty well over the last couple of years.



#8027 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:43

Sharp's Zephyr had a V8 in it...

 

And the radiator was in the boot, which is the reason for the big air scoop you see.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:52

Yes, they are A3 @ 300 dpi, around 70 - 80 + mb mostly so they aren't small files. The problems with these are in the original negs and the equipment they were shot on - probably pre-set telephotos I'd imagine. There are "hot spots"

on most of the shots taken on one particular lens by the looks of it and a few of the films are really over developed so the grain is very heavy. Then they were possibly hung up in the bathroom to dry and were coated with dust!

Still, they are shots taken in 1967 of a lot of cars and competitors and are a valuable resource in their own right - I have to warn clients of the quality though.... His stuff has actually sold pretty well over the last couple of years.

 

I would try a little higher than the average 300 D.P.I.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:24

You don't actually need to go higher than 300 dpi as all labs are set up to print at that dpi - they would have to resize your file if you gave them a file at a higher res. Its the size of the file that counts - ie how many mb's it is. 

These 2 pics show the hot spots I was talking about - I haven't retouched these at all.You can see a lighter area quite clearly around the middle of the picture. Shame really as they would be quite good shots otherwise.4765_P_FJ_67-lo_zps8e580adb.jpg4766_P_Mori_67-lo_zps85211e19.jpg


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:03

Some of the films are fairly easy to discern as separate meetings as the weather is completely different, but even that gauge is not 100% reliable of course. Re the Warwick Farm images I'm pretty sure I have at least 2 meetings , maybe 3. One of which is definitely the '67 Tasman round. Another is the meeting Paul Hawkins raced the Lola T70 and the other I think could be the '67 AJC Trophy which featured the NZ Mustangs of Fahey, Dawson, Terry Allen Camaro, 2nd Jane Mustang etc. Re Oran Park I reckon I have at least 3 meetings, 2 at Catalina (one of which is the Beechey Nova, Pete Geoghegan clash in very poor weather), 2 at Amaroo, Bathurst 500 1967, Surfers 12 hr '67, Castlereagh drags 1967 and 1 Hume Weir meeting from 1967. I did think some were 1968 but now I'm thinking it was all 1967 - he certainly got around! I enlarged the EH hi-res shot and it is still too fuzzy to really tell, but it could be "David Price (D)".


Thanks Lindsay, you've helped confirm what I was thinking regards the Oran Park photos. More than one meeting's worth. Hence why I can't tie them all to the July 2, 1967 meeting.

With regards to Stephen S800 mentioning the September 10, 1967 Warwick Farm meeting as a possible candidate for the #27 S800 & #11 Elfin photo. That may fit the bill. Mainly because that's the programme I haven't got to confirm those numbers.

The good news is that some of the latest batch featuring Oran Park do correspond with the July 2, 1967 meeting. But for the Amaroo photos I have even less programmes for this circuit than OP.

The 3 latest Oran Park photos corresponds to July 2, 1967 OP.
Event 5 Sports Car (Grand Touring) Invitation Scratch Race - 8 laps.
#22 Ian Hindmarsh Motors/Max Brunninghausen Alfa Romeo GTZ 1570
#40 R J Scarramuzzi/Bob Martin (driver) Ford Cortina 1650
#44 LWD Trading Co/Fred Gibson Lotus Élan 1558
#75 Dee Why (West) Auto Centre / T Hook/B Mowbray Holden 2930
#77 Barnard Auto Spares/Barry Sharp Zephyr V8 4950
#111 W J Cantrill Morris Minor GT 1650

Now from all this it's highly likely that the #75 Holden is the same car featured next to the #53 Morris Minor higher up the page. Using this slightly offhand theory, the Minor could be the same car entered as "#30 ACT Electrical Auto Mech. Engineering/R McIntyre Morris Minor 1832" on July 2. But carried #53 at a different OP meeting.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:15

You've got that scanner cranked up Lindsay.

The Mini chasing Alan Barrow Holden photo also fits as July 2, 1967 event 5.
#61 Total (Willoughby) Service Stn/ J Parsons Morris 850 1064
#82 Barnard Auto Spares/ Alan Barrow Holden 2550

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 13:59

Barry Sharps Zephyr looks 'mean' among that lot. Does anyone have some pics of it alone.

The Volvo 122 #1 is Gerry Lister, the Mini #66 is I think Digby Cooke (1071S) and the Volvo P 1800 is either Max Winless ( I think so)_, John Kerrin, or Bill Brown. The !22S was actually owned by a solicitor, but driven by Gerry Lister who used to prepare it.

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#8033 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 15:41

All the '67 reports on Amaroo seem to indicate that Volvo regulars were in 122s...

 

So I'd suggest it's Bill in the P1800.

 

And I think you mean John Keran?



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 16:31

Thanks Lindsay, you've helped confirm what I was thinking regards the Oran Park photos. More than one meeting's worth. Hence why I can't tie them all to the July 2, 1967 meeting.
With regards to Stephen S800 mentioning the September 10, 1967 Warwick Farm meeting as a possible candidate for the #27 S800 & #11 Elfin photo. That may fit the bill. Mainly because that's the programme I haven't got to confirm those numbers.
The good news is that some of the latest batch featuring Oran Park do correspond with the July 2, 1967 meeting. But for the Amaroo photos I have even less programmes for this circuit than OP.
The 3 latest Oran Park photos corresponds to July 2, 1967 OP.
Event 5 Sports Car (Grand Touring) Invitation Scratch Race - 8 laps.
#22 Ian Hindmarsh Motors/Max Brunninghausen Alfa Romeo GTZ 1570
#40 R J Scarramuzzi/Bob Martin (driver) Ford Cortina 1650
#44 LWD Trading Co/Fred Gibson Lotus Élan 1558
#75 Dee Why (West) Auto Centre / T Hook/B Mowbray Holden 2930
#77 Barnard Auto Spares/Barry Sharp Zephyr V8 4950
#111 W J Cantrill Morris Minor GT 1650
Now from all this it's highly likely that the #75 Holden is the same car featured next to the #53 Morris Minor higher up the page. Using this slightly offhand theory, the Minor could be the same car entered as "#30 ACT Electrical Auto Mech. Engineering/R McIntyre Morris Minor 1832" on July 2. But carried #53 at a different OP meeting.
Stephen

No, the car on the outside of the Morris Minor is definitely not the Terry Hook car.
Dale.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 19:14

Yes Dale, its not Terry Hook, pretty sure its Peter Collins as I have a shot of him in an RCN Amaroo report. Its no 38 as there is another shot showing his number clearly. The Minor must be either Cary or Bob McIntyre as they are the only Minors mentioned in the RCN report. Thanks again for feedback - getting caption info can be a real nightmare! Re those hot spots, you can see in the attached Brauer Cortina shot - no hot spot as its taken on a standard lens.4533_P_Chev_67-lo_zps7f84a7da.jpg4762_P_LoCor_67-lo_zps42b903f5.jpg


Edited by ellrosso, 16 September 2013 - 19:21.


#8036 Dale Harvey

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 19:41

Ellrosso,
I probably have the programmes for those meetings at home, but I am away at the moment. Will be home early October if you can wait.
Dale.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 22:01

While we're waiting for Dale to fly around the world...

 

#40 R J Scarramuzzi/Bob Martin (driver) Ford Cortina 1650

 

Bob Martin, a cousin of Spencer Martin, helped Rex Scaramuzzi build up Rex's road car for racing. After steadily advancing through the Division II fields (by dint of driving skill and preparation more than money and car specification), they allowed Spencer's brother to drive the car.

 

Enter Gerry Martin, known as Gerald within the family, and he rolled it at Catalina. After this Bob went into Clubmans. Rex's sister was Carol, whom Bob married and who helped him, along with Tony Simmons and George Grimmer, continue racing the Hustler and then the Seca 3 to several NSW Clubman series wins.

 

The unusual specification of the Cortina belies its humble (drum-braked, even) beginnings and small budget operation. No twin cam engines, nothing special in its makeup, just a well-driven basic car.

 

I know that Bob and Carol parted in the eighties some time, I feel sure I heard that one of them passed on prematurely too. A very nice couple for a long time seriously dedicated to their racing world, and deserving of the successes they enjoyed.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 23:02

I can wait Dale, best to wait for the program info I think - we can always go back to these4467_P_Plym_68-lo_zpsc465b719.jpg4583_P_Tour_67-lo_zpsfa791b16.jpg4585_P_Sprite_67-lo_zpsb7ffe01a.jpg4602_P_MGA_67-lo_zps938de82f.jpg4531_P_MGB_67-lo_zpsb44a3737.jpg. Thanks for that great background info re the Bob Martin Cortina too Ray. I have a shot of Gerry Martin rolling the Cortina in that RCN Catalina report so thought it was his car.

I will ring Stuart Phillips this week and try and get some more details from him. Drag shot is possibly Bert Needham Plymouth Ramcharger - copyright oldracephotos/Phillips Castlereagh 1967



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 23:19

All the '67 reports on Amaroo seem to indicate that Volvo regulars were in 122s...
 
So I'd suggest it's Bill in the P1800.
 
And I think you mean John Keran?

Oops...Yes, Keran

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 23:22

Yes Dale, its not Terry Hook, pretty sure its Peter Collins as I have a shot of him in an RCN Amaroo report. Its no 38 as there is another shot showing his number clearly. The Minor must be either Cary or Bob McIntyre as they are the only Minors mentioned in the RCN report. Thanks again for feedback - getting caption info can be a real nightmare! Re those hot spots, you can see in the attached Brauer Cortina shot - no hot spot as its taken on a standard lens.4533_P_Chev_67-lo_zps7f84a7da.jpg

That's Leon Pedzic in the 56 Chev leading.

Edited by seldo, 16 September 2013 - 23:28.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:54

You don't actually need to go higher than 300 dpi as all labs are set up to print at that dpi - they would have to resize your file if you gave them a file at a higher res. Its the size of the file that counts - ie how many mb's it is. 

These 2 pics show the hot spots I was talking about - I haven't retouched these at all.You can see a lighter area quite clearly around the middle of the picture. Shame really as they would be quite good shots otherwise.

 

Yeahbut, I wasn't talking about printing...I was talking about trying to improve the image and what might aid identification of the content   :confused:  

 

[yes...bigger DPI = more Mbytes]


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#8042 ellrosso

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 08:08

All these images I'm posting are scanned at between 4800 - 5500 dpi. When it comes to indexing and storeing them they are scaled to 300 dpi and are approx A3 in size. I go over every image (b/w negative in these cases) with my magnifying lupe on the lightbox (linen checker which are the best by far) as I've always done for some 30 years and if I can't read the text thru that lupe, I know I won't have much luck when its scanned and enlarged, irrespective of what dpi they are scanned at. The problem with 35mm film is acutance and that affects the sharpness of lines etc. With 4x5" film and to a lesser extent 120 format (Hasselblad etc) the acutance is quite superior and they will enlarge much more successfully and you can pick out some really fine detail which you may miss with the lupe. Anyway, thats my experience and I could be wrong, but I've never seen anything that tells me otherwise. We've become very familiar with the sharpness of digital with the new generation DSLR cameras and they are so far above the sharpness of these early film images, especially with motorsport images and moving subjects etc. I've attached a shot taken with a Fuji 6x17cm Panorama camera plus a small crop of a portion of the car to illustrate the large format quality.No sharpening on that enlargement either. The crop is at 300%.2643_R_Lownd_98-lo_zps2690adb8.jpg2643_R_Lownd_98full_zps2a2cb51c.jpg


Edited by ellrosso, 17 September 2013 - 10:22.


#8043 pacerman

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 11:58

The Lionel Ayers Cooper MG was built up by George Pearse from his ex Keith Martin MK IV and was a quick thing until GP crashed it at Southport.

The car identified as " Glyn Scott's Lotus Holden" is the car that Wal Anderson built up from a replica Lotus Mk 6 chassis with Repco Holden power, another quick thing until crashed by Wally Mitchell at Bathurst. That Glyn Scott drove other Holden Specials is demonstrated in my Bathurst book pages 200, 232, 180 the last showing GS in another Wal Anderson special.

Werner Greve spelled his name Werner Greve, Brian Tebble thus( do you realize that current Elfin Heritage Centre's Bill Hemming could be one of those pictured because the Tebble TD was Bill's first competition drive -- if that is the Tebble TD?)

I looked at the 1954 AGP-winning HWM Jaguar recently( shown above when owned by Werner Greve). The chain of ownership is in dispute( see Terry's list above)

I too would like to thank the photographer and wish her happy birthday, and thank Ray for posting her pics.

Hi John, I can help you out with the ownership chain. This list Terry has supplied is correct except for the last name. Although Keith Moran has looked after the car on and off for some time the HWM still belongs to Ralph Hough. He bought the car in 1963 for sentimental reasons and never sold it. You would have looked at the car in Keith's shed but the Hough family have since collected the car and had it at a family day for what would have been John Hough's 75th birthday yesterday.



#8044 coatesie

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 20:46

Guys who would be best to speak to about finding pics of a car that raced at Wanneroo in the 70's. I have tried the usual online mobs but nothing to offer.

G.



#8045 ken devine

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 23:47

What photos do you need? I have a few.

#8046 coatesie

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 23:59

pm sent thanks



#8047 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:46

No need to keep it a secret...

 

There might be others with pics too.



#8048 ken devine

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:56

He is looking for details and photos of a Mini that raced at Wanneroo in the 70s Ray.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:25

Sorry didn't mean to offend, didn't want to bore anyone with me banging on about my own car. Basically my car was raced in WA during the 70's I can only assume Wanneroo. I have no log book and it has changed hands so many times following the history is difficult for me to obtain a COD to race it. I was hoping to find some pics of it or similar looking car racing so I can chase its history. Was a red mini cooper S (actually a lookalike), with a mustard yellow or gold coloured roof, no stripes or anything. The roof colour may have even been changed later on so basically looking for any red minis from 1970 to say 1978. I assume it was run as a production car or a really basic sports sedan as it is now missing a few pieces of the shell. Not Ross Bennett's car I have spoken to him already.

Is there anyone else who may be able to help other than Ken?



#8050 onelung

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 04:10

All these images I'm posting are scanned at between 4800 - 5500 dpi. When it comes to indexing and storeing them they are scaled to 300 dpi and are approx A3 in size. I go over every image (b/w negative in these cases) with my magnifying lupe on the lightbox (linen checker which are the best by far) as I've always done for some 30 years and if I can't read the text thru that lupe, I know I won't have much luck when its scanned and enlarged, irrespective of what dpi they are scanned at. The problem with 35mm film is acutance and that affects the sharpness of lines etc. With 4x5" film and to a lesser extent 120 format (Hasselblad etc) the acutance is quite superior and they will enlarge much more successfully and you can pick out some really fine detail which you may miss with the lupe. Anyway, thats my experience and I could be wrong, but I've never seen anything that tells me otherwise. We've become very familiar with the sharpness of digital with the new generation DSLR cameras and they are so far above the sharpness of these early film images, especially with motorsport images and moving subjects etc. I've attached a shot taken with a Fuji 6x17cm Panorama camera plus a small crop of a portion of the car to illustrate the large format quality.No sharpening on that.

 

CRIKEY! I've learnt a few new terms from that post ....Like "acutance", "loupe" et al .... But I'm wondering where things like "resolution" & "grain size" fit in ... I recall an image captured on a full (wet) plate camera (Collodion process) of a line up of steam locomotives - the image was hung from the wall of the National Rail Museum in Yorkshire. On the absolute most distant loco boiler the rivets could still be made out. There seemed to be simply zero "grain". And yes, this has nothing to do with 20th/21st century motor racing images - it's just an indication on how one thing can "lead to another". It's the reason I love the Web.