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#8201 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 23:12

Great story, Bob...

 

A flash old Chev. Were you there when a couple of big blokes picked up an MGA at Hume Weir by the back bumper so the driver couldn't get out of the place?

 

A great Brian Rawlings story, they eventually dropped the car and it shot away with wheels spinning in the gravel. Unfortunately it was in reverse gear!

 

We all grow up, though. Bob Winley no longer chases crumpet, but he plays with his grandchildren, who also happen to be my great niece and great nephew. And just out of interest, the background to this pic is that road down Victoria Pass.

 

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#8202 2Bob

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 00:48

Lee: 'new' trailer in background, 1985, much more sophisticated than the BBM trailer and still in use now with 3 new tyres (including the spare) bought for trip to Winton last year.  Also shows ASP as purchesed in 85 and a younger, trimmer owner!

 

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#8203 2Bob

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 00:52

Ray:  Bob Winley, proud owner of the Citroen Special, in his crumpet chasing days. Unusual shot in that there isn't a trombone in sight.   Probably not so unusual in not showing any crumpet either.

 

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I don't remember the Brian Rawlings episode although I understand the relevance.  
 
Haven't seen or spoken to Bob for many many years - send my regards next time you catch up.

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#8204 2Bob

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 00:59

A few other shots from Hume Weir, Doigs BBM, Winley's Citroen and the Sulman Singer amongst them. Boxing Day 1968 meeting.  Also refer back to the BBM on trailer photo.  Note the copper pipe oil cooler on the side of the car.  Also one of the leaky tents on left side edge of the photo.  A proper canvas tent!

 

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#8205 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 03:08

Lee: 'new' trailer in background, 1985, much more sophisticated than the BBM trailer and still in use now with 3 new tyres (including the spare) bought for trip to Winton last year.  Also shows ASP as purchesed in 85 and a younger, trimmer owner!
 
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At AIR during the warmer months. Complete with a Hoffmann Dry Cleaners sign.
As for the trailer I guess duratorque was new then,, though the FJ wheels were not.

#8206 Lola5000

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 05:28

 

Ray:  Bob Winley, proud owner of the Citroen Special, in his crumpet chasing days. Unusual shot in that there isn't a trombone in sight.   Probably not so unusual in not showing any crumpet either.

 

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I don't remember the Brian Rawlings episode although I understand the relevance.  
 
Haven't seen or spoken to Bob for many many years - send my regards next time you catch up.

 

Bob Jane ,transporter in the background?



#8207 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 06:18

It would have to be Janey's transporter...

 

I would love to have a pic of the Dodge prime mover for that rig.



#8208 seldo

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 06:36

And Bill Fanning's Lotus Cortina



#8209 Lola5000

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 07:19

It would have to be Janey's transporter...

 

I would love to have a pic of the Dodge prime mover for that rig.

i shall ask for you ,on another forum.



#8210 ron simmonds

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 11:59

Bob Jane ,transporter in the background?

Late Bevan Gibson Lotus near the Jane transporter, and John Millard's Austin A30 on the right of photo, John now lives in WA.

#8211 Lola5000

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 21:15

Late Bevan Gibson Lotus near the Jane transporter, and John Millard's Austin A30 on the right of photo, John now lives in WA.

Millard ,still does lap dash/sprints in a Ferrari 355 Challenge .



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 07:10

It would have to be Janey's transporter...

 

I would love to have a pic of the Dodge prime mover for that rig.

You'll find a pic on the "roaringseason" site - look for a thread on transporters.



#8213 Lola5000

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 08:08

You'll find a pic on the "roaringseason" site - look for a thread on transporters.

LOL,I just sent Ray the photo.



#8214 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 21:06

Hmmm...

 

I didn't get it.



#8215 GMACKIE

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 06:39

Catalina Park, 1963.....why was it always wet there?

 

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#8216 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 18:14

Because it's so close to Lithgow?

 

Frankly, recollections of wet and fog would be much worse if you were there for practice and race days. So many fine race days followed wet and miserable practice days, I don't think I ever saw a wet race day at all, though I wasn't there for one meeting between May '63 and the finish, that was the one where it was severely fogged in on race day in either '67 or '68. 

 

Wet underfoot just about always, however!



#8217 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 00:42

I intended to go to Catalina for a rallycross meeting in 79 or 80. Glad I didn't because the meeting was fog affected. Or so the RCN story said.

#8218 GMACKIE

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 06:37

The day that photo was taken, scrutineer Tom Carmody told me I should be locked away for "Racing a VW Beetle in the wet, with Michelin X tyres".



#8219 Wirra

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 11:41

 

... one meeting between May '63 and the finish, that was the one where it was severely fogged in on race day in either '67 or '68....


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#8220 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 12:24

That's the one...

 

I was busy competing in a 24-hour slot car race at Crows Nest that day.



#8221 DanTra2858

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 19:58

It was ok for you guys that were racing in fog & rain but think about the fire & flag Marshels that had to stand out in the wet & cold all day, up to 1 hour before the first race.

I am glad that I did that in my early days but today I ask myself WHY DID I DO THAT.

Remember that without Officals you do not go racing.

#8222 275 GTB-4

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 21:10

It was ok for you guys that were racing in fog & rain but think about the fire & flag Marshels that had to stand out in the wet & cold all day, up to 1 hour before the first race.

I am glad that I did that in my early days but today I ask myself WHY DID I DO THAT.

Remember that without Officals you do not go racing.


Know what yer saying Dan (me a Flaggie)...but save yer breath :|  :rolleyes:



#8223 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 21:53

I've been there too...

 

In the unrelenting sun all day at Bathurst, both at Easter and October (with no break in an 8-hour race), I've lived through the rain all day at the Farm, the Jochen Rindt meeting, I've done it, don't worry.



#8224 Catalina Park

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 22:11

Remember that without Officals you do not go racing.

And without competitors the officials would look very silly standing in the rain.



#8225 Stinky

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 22:14

All right for you blokes.

I,m still silly enough to be doing it.

After 40 odd years you would think that common sense would prevail!!!

Cheers.

Roger.



#8226 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 06:03

Still getting a free admission, ticket for a friend and a cut lunch?

 

Isn't life a ball?



#8227 Catalina Park

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 06:16

The last couple of times I was an official at Eastern Creek I had to fight my way past the security guard at the gate to get in and then no lunch was provided. 

The first V8 Bathurst they wanted us to pay for a sausage sandwich at the post race BBQ.

You can understand that the novelty was starting to wear off around that time.



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 07:50

Hullo Ray;

Been here in Tassie for nearly 14 years.

The answer to your two questions is yes.

Fortunately the lunches have improved.

I certainly DO NOT miss the ARDC cheese and chutney and cheese and fishpaste sandwiches!!!

My God, we must have had digestions like goats in them days.

As you would remember AARC lunches were a different story.

Remember at one Oran Park meeting,the rolls were so stale we chucked them to the crows and even THEY turned up their noses!!

Cheers.

Roger.



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 21:30

The other side of being an Official standing at your point for 2 days is seeing the amount of parts, nuts & bolts that just happen to fall off cars, from small to large.

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 22:00

The other side of being an Official standing at your point for 2 days is seeing the amount of parts, nuts & bolts that just happen to fall off cars, from small to large.

or worse...stuff flying at you like wheels and tyres, exploding brake disks, rocks pinched by tyres, not to mention stagnant water from tyre barriers when cars hit the barriers in front of you (eeeewwwwhhh)



#8231 GMACKIE

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 22:28

When you blokes have finished complaining, we may well see some more 'Personal photos of Australian motor racing 50s to 70s'. :wave:



#8232 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 01:11

The other side of being an Official standing at your point for 2 days is seeing the amount of parts, nuts & bolts that just happen to fall off cars, from small to large.

And don't forget being deafened by the horrid noise from Rotarys.
You had one of those horrors didn't you!

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:14

When you blokes have finished complaining, we may well see some more 'Personal photos of Australian motor racing 50s to 70s'. :wave:


Ahhyyee?? Speak up Sonny! Most of us tracksiders are deef....Lee, give me a brrp braapp braapp rotary any day to those beyond threshold-of-pain F1 singer sewing machines :well:



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:22

And don't forget being deafened by the horrid noise from Rotarys.
You had one of those horrors didn't you!


Ah, the sound of a TRUE MOTOR

#8235 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:32

I agree...

 

Where are some more pics?



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:32

Oh I also forgot about the idiot that slowed down to tell us that there was oil on the exit from CC Corner when we had the oil flag out, some times one wonders about some of the drivers!!!!!!!!

Then after throwing Cement on the track & sweeping it to dry up the oil the poor officials on that corner ate cement for the next 3 laps, maybe there should be a separate area for the stories of Officials at race meetings.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:17



, maybe there should be a separate area for the stories of Officials at race meetings.

A great idea if it means we can be spared it in this important thread.

 

Found this last night, Jim Smith photo, taken in Jock Walkem's workshop in Launceston before the March 1958 Longford Gold Star event. The Tornado had ignition problems at Fishermen's Bend the week before and went straight to Walkem for a magneto rebuild before the Longford race.

 

The car in background, on trailer, is the Walkem Vincent.

 

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#8238 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 20:15

That's something I've never seen before...

 

The 'Tornado' name on the rocker covers of the Chev engine.



#8239 GMACKIE

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 21:03

Is that a Vertex, or Scintilla magneto?



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#8240 ellrosso

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 00:23

Couple from wet Catalina 1967 - epic battle between Beechey and Geoghegan. Excuse quality of start shot - absolute shocker neg. Also engine bay of Tornado Mk1.7262_V_Gray_55-lo_zps70f585e5.jpg4640_P_Cat_67-lo_zpsa894f53a.jpg4632_P_Grid_67-lo_zps357c121c.jpg



#8241 timbo

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:48

I have only been to Catalina Park in later days for the Bol D 'Or regularity events before the circuit fell over (landslip) in a couple of places, and if you leant on the wooden fence, it would fall over as well. However, both times the day started out an absolutely beautiful day, but  by early afternoon the rain and fog rolled in and you couldn't see the Katoomba township because of the fog.

Given that it is The Blue Mountains, it seems that this weather is acceptable (somewhat like Phillip Island these days), but if it was Winton, Calder or even Mallala, we would complain that it is always hot and dusty, or cold wet and windy.



#8242 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 04:24

Ahhyyee?? Speak up Sonny! Most of us tracksiders are deef....Lee, give me a brrp braapp braapp rotary any day to those beyond threshold-of-pain F1 singer sewing machines :well:

Ican hear the supposedly muffled brap braps from here at the Parklands circuit. I too could hear the V8 F1s. Turbos were a lot harder to hear,,,, from 6km away!
I flagged occasionally late 70s early 80s at AIR and Tailem Bend rallycross. Rotarys hurt my ears, far noisier than Chevs, F2s and the like. This before mufflers.

Oh, and flaggies thanks for the spare parts I have gotten back over the years as a competitor. In my case all accident damage stuff, broken flares, bumper corners, splitters and the like. At times I have needed them to put the car sort of back together for the next race

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 06:00

One point of interest re the Catalina start shot is that Volvos outnumber Holdens 3-2! No doubt Seldo is in the mix in one of them. Graham Ryan is in the EH, Herb Taylor in the HD X2 at the rear.



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Posted 04 January 2014 - 07:27

One point of interest re the Catalina start shot is that Volvos outnumber Holdens 3-2! No doubt Seldo is in the mix in one of them. Graham Ryan is in the EH, Herb Taylor in the HD X2 at the rear.

Yes - I think I ended up 6th and was very chuffed because my boss at the time bet me $50 I couldn't beat Bill Brown driving David McKay's works car, which I managed to do quite comprehensively.

#8245 275 GTB-4

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 20:41

One point of interest re the Catalina start shot is that Volvos outnumber Holdens 3-2! No doubt Seldo is in the mix in one of them. Graham Ryan is in the EH, Herb Taylor in the HD X2 at the rear.


and Mini's everywhere :up:  :smoking:



#8246 lyntonh

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 22:26

Minis everywhere in practice at the loop at Amaroo Park on August 1st 1970.

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What's that doing there?

 

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#8247 lyntonh

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 22:29

More.......

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#8248 lyntonh

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 22:30

And to prove that I can see them coming....

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#8249 GMACKIE

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 23:17

"WOW", I thought - more race photos from Lynton. :up: ......But they're bloody Minis !  :cry:



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 00:39

I guess that would have been one of the first meetings where P plates replaced the three stripes?