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#8401 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 00:13

I don't think they ever painted that car any colour other than a red...

 

Coca Cola and all that. Until it's Brut 33 days, of course.

 

seldo had a closer look at it than all of us, though, maybe he can recall?



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#8402 seldo

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 02:16

I don't think they ever painted that car any colour other than a red...
 
Coca Cola and all that. Until it's Brut 33 days, of course.
 
seldo had a closer look at it than all of us, though, maybe he can recall?

I think it was always red (not Vermillion Fire which was a bit orangey)until it's latter days when it went dark silver and blue/green of the Brut 33 colours.
And - Yes Ray - I did get a very close look at it and if I still had my old car could probably scrape a paint sample off for you....  ;)

Edited by seldo, 14 February 2014 - 04:33.


#8403 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 02:52

Sorry Lee, more like my old eyes, looked red to me. Was it Vermillion Fire the colour of the Ford works GTHOs (and the Colour of the 1969 Escort Twincam i bought from Byrt Ford Wollongong)  Seriously I took them 45 years ago the Ektachrome has probably faded a bit (like me)

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Looking again that Mallala shot the Woodies sign is orange instead of red, the FJ is dark orange instead of dark red. 

Vermillion Fire is a dark orange, the works cars were track red. So Ektachrome seems to be the culprit!

They are good pics though.



#8404 rasimmo

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 12:16

As Fredeuce asked for some pix of the Tasman cars from 1970 here are a few.

04UNorinder.jpg

Ulf Norinder, taken while sitting on the old pit counter

05MaxStewart.jpg

Max Stewart taken just before I got kicked out of the pits. (Crowd control had no sense of humour)

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Neil Allen heading down to Dandenong Road corner.

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Frank Matich McLaren M10A

47GLawrence.jpg

Graeme Lawrence - victory lap - you don`t see that any more. Neil Allen won the race Graeme Lawrence the series.

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Edited by rasimmo, 14 February 2014 - 12:20.


#8405 rasimmo

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 12:25

 I did get a very close look at it and if I still had my old car could probably scrape a paint sample off for you....  ;)

How was your back after that bit of Marvin magic driving. I saw that and from memory he blamed you????



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 20:23

Matich is running a lot of wing both front & back, makes you wonder how efficent the wings were in those days or the understanding of aerofoil sections, all I see is a mass of drag.

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 21:32

Matich is running a lot of wing both front & back, makes you wonder how efficent the wings were in those days or the understanding of aerofoil sections, all I see is a mass of drag.

Niel Allens car seems to be using the wing as a gearbox cover! Where it is hidden it will do very little. Other than that though it is a pretty car.



#8408 fredeuce

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 21:53

Simmo,

Thanks for the pics of the Tasman cars. Wonderful memories there for me. On race day we had a vantage point at Peters' corner just inside the track. That provided a good view of the cars coming around Shell then braking heavily for Peters and then accelerating up the back straight. Travelling back to SA that night and going to school the next day was very much an anti-climax after being on such a high for the previous two days. Keep the pics coming.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 22:44

Nice photos, Simmo. :up:

 

Looks like Graeme Lawrence is not keen on the new-fagled 'wing' idea.....he's staying with the 'old' method of holding the rear down.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 22:44

How was your back after that bit of Marvin magic driving. I saw that and from memory he blamed you????

He barely clipped me, but then hit the wall which did the damage. And, yes - blamed me of course, but got soundly booed for his tirade...

#8411 rasimmo

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 23:40

I was sitting further down Energol. From there it looked like you copped the full hit. From memory that tirade earned Marvin a well deserved life membership in the "Tool Sign"club.



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Posted 15 February 2014 - 15:43

I think simmo's great photo of the Graeme Lawrence dino with extra downforce ! ought to be also posted in the getting a lift thread.

 

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 01:40

Yes Rasimmo could you post it the "Getting A Lift" thread i started  years ago.

 

Thanks Doug.



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 03:30

Some photos from the 70 Tasman at Surfers.

02GMcrae.jpg

Cassius McRae

05MaxStewart2.jpg

Big Max.

15FMatich.jpg

Frank Matich

17GLawrence.jpg

Graeme Lawrence in the beautiful DinoV6

25MGoth.jpg

Mike Goth

 

Cheers Simmo



#8415 Lola5000

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 07:27

I don't think they ever painted that car any colour other than a red...

 

Coca Cola and all that. Until it's Brut 33 days, of course.

 

seldo had a closer look at it than all of us, though, maybe he can recall?

Years ago Pauline Moffat,told me that the Coca Cola sponsorship ,came from her father being National sales manager at Coke inc.?



#8416 Ellis French

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 11:04



I don't think they ever painted that car any colour other than a red...

 

Coca Cola and all that. Until it's Brut 33 days, of course.

 

seldo had a closer look at it than all of us, though, maybe he can recall?

It finnished its racing days at Bay Park in NZ painted Union Shipping colours

 

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Edited by Ellis French, 16 February 2014 - 20:35.


#8417 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 14:29

I can check, but I don't think Pauline's father had anything to do with Coca Cola...

 

I know someone who worked with her at that time.



#8418 DanTra2858

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 08:40

05MaxStewart2.jpg
Big Max.

Cheers Simmo


In what year did CAMS change the Roll Bar rules so the drivers head was below the bar when drawing a straight line from the front of the car to the rollbar, was there not a required clearance from this line to the drivers helmet.

If that rule was in when this photo was taken then how was Max allowed to race?

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 06:18

Hi Guys,

 

After spending  the day going through this thread looking and searching for any possible info, I am making this my first post.

 

I have stumbled across a 60s(????) race car in country Victoria and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it.

 

It is has a Ford Y block V8 mounted directly behind the driver feeding to what looks like a VW transaxle. The guy I spoke to believes it was based on a Peugeot  and that approx. 5-6 of these were made in Melbourne.

 

It is a 2 seater car with steel seats that resemble a go cart style seat and is RHD. The frame is made from approx. 1" round tube and it has no shell.

The frame is painted white. It is very low to the ground with what looks like Peugeot/VW rims with very skinny tyres all round.

 

The guy tells me that it has some kind of race history, but he is not the owner and is a bit vague with the facts... It had a "Hot" Peugeot motor in it originally but at some stage was swapped out with the Y Block.

 

It looks like it could be some kind of circuit racer or hill climb special.

 

I did not get a chance to take any pictures of the car, as my first conversation with this guy was not so smooth.

 

Things are better now, but I am 200Kms away from the car.

 

If anyone can help me out, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Cheers Angelo



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#8420 Paul Hamilton

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 07:24

In what year did CAMS change the Roll Bar rules so the drivers head was below the bar when drawing a straight line from the front of the car to the rollbar, was there not a required clearance from this line to the drivers helmet.

If that rule was in when this photo was taken then how was Max allowed to race?

 

Believe it or not CAMS' rollbar requirements in 1970 when this photo was taken allowed the bar to be no more than one inch below the top of the driver's helmet and it looks like Max's car would have complied with that.  The rules changed in 1973 to require that the bar be at least level with the top of the helmet and those 1973 regulations are what cars from that period are required to comply with in current historic racing events in Australia.  The modern requirement for a minimum 50mm clearance from the helmet top to a line drawn from the rollbar to the top of a front roll over bar mounted in front of the steering wheel was not introduced until relatively recent times.



#8421 DanTra2858

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:22

Thanks Paul for clearing that up, I remember that it was around the period & just wonded where the Rules stood, many thanks.

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 10:21

Few random shots from my desktop.8425_P_Elan_67-lo_zpse13fa547.jpg8426_P_Simca_67-lo_zps79d848eb.jpg8429_P_Heath_67-lo_zps8c8aea03.jpg395_K_Amon_68-lo_zpsb64f0a0f.jpg408_K_Bart_67-lo_zps49128b9c.jpg



#8423 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 11:56

I wouldn't be so sure that's Bob Beasley in the Elan...

 

From memory, his was painted blue from the beginning of his time with it.



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 19:22

Can't be 100% sure Ray, I'm going off the program Dale sent me which doesn't have livery details. No 101 was listed as Beasley.



#8425 Dale Harvey

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 20:56

It could be his first run in the car before it was repainted blue.

Dale.



#8426 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 22:54

Yes, that's a distinct possibility...

 

So I checked and there's a pic in RCN (page 29, April 1967, March 5 meeting) of him in his first race in the car. May was a night meeting and there is no mention of Beasley at all in the report, by the June 11 meeting at Catalina it was blue.

 

But I still reckon the ID is wrong!

 

In the car's first run after the sale from Niel Allen, it started off the back of the grid. The photo of Beasley in RCN clearly shows Beasley to have a peak on his helmet and to be racing hard with Bruce Leer's Milano, where he stayed for the whole of the one race he drove that day.

 

All things considered, I believe this pic is Jack Phipps, the owner of the car. He drove it in the earlier race that day... and if, perchance, it is the May meeting (where Beasley is not mentioned anywhere) it could have still been in those colours there as Phipps (also not mentioned) found himself out of his depth.

 

He spun the first time in CC in that inaugural race and so could quite easily have found himself in company with Don Stewart, and the body language of the car in this picture is not what one would expect from Beasley.


Edited by Ray Bell, 24 February 2014 - 02:28.


#8427 GMACKIE

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 00:53

Ray, would that be Bruce Leer in the Milano ?



#8428 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 02:29

Corrected, Greg...

 

Brian's name is spelled differently, too!



#8429 seldo

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:07

Yes, that's a distinct possibility...
 
So I checked and there's a pic in RCN (page 29, April 1967, March 5 meeting) of him in his first race in the car. May was a night meeting and there is no mention of Beasley at all in the report, by the June 11 meeting at Catalina it was blue.
 
But I still reckon the ID is wrong!
 
In the car's first run after the sale from Niel Allen, it started off the back of the grid. The photo of Beasley in RCN clearly shows Beasley to have a peak on his helmet and to be racing hard with Bruce Leer's Milano, where he stayed for the whole of the one race he drove that day.
 
All things considered, I believe this pic is Jack Phipps, the owner of the car. He drove it in the earlier race that day... and if, perchance, it is the May meeting (where Beasley is not mentioned anywhere) it could have still been in those colours there as Phipps (also not mentioned) found himself out of his depth.
 
He spun the first time in CC in that inaugural race and so could quite easily have found himself in company with Don Stewart, and the body language of the car in this picture is not what one would expect from Beasley.

I agree. I think the driver's stance in the car is also wrong for Beasley who was not very tall - quite stocky, and from memory was a "leaner"

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 06:25

Looks more like the warm up lap to me as the Elan & the Stewart Pug do not seem to have a great deal of attertude to be at race speed.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:37

Few random shots from my desktop

8429_P_Heath_67-lo_zps8c8aea03.jpg

 

Ellroso,

 

I'm wondering if that is that a "Tecno" as opposed to "Tekno", and would the driver be Graham Heath of Karting fame?

Tecno manufactured karting chassis at one time.

Maybe somebody else could be of help out here?

I'm also wondering if it was Green in colour?



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:00

I think it would be the Tecno F4 car of Graham Heath. It was red at Catalina in 1969.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 19:08

Yes Tecno is correct, just checked RCN report from '68 meeting.



#8434 Leo D

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 22:59

Thanks for the reply Catalina & Ellrosso.

 

Can anyone establish if that was Graham Heath of Karting Fame, and how many of the Tecno units may have been imported into Australia, and by whom?



#8435 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 00:04

Originally posted by DanTra2858

Looks more like the warm up lap to me as the Elan & the Stewart Pug do not seem to have a great deal of attitude to be at race speed.

 

If it was the warm up lap and it was Beasley (he drove just one race that day), Fred Gibson, Moss Angliss, Bruce Leer, Graham Wood and John Evans would have been following him around... Beasley had pole.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 04:44

Here's one of Beasley at Warwick Farm 1967 .8269_P_Elan_67-lo_zps3525c223.jpg


Edited by ellrosso, 25 February 2014 - 04:47.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 05:09

Thanks for the reply Catalina & Ellrosso.
 
Can anyone establish if that was Graham Heath of Karting Fame, and how many of the Tecno units may have been imported into Australia, and by whom?

I recall a story in an RCN or a SCW but I would have to go digging. Some people were trying to get F4 up and running at the time of Vee and FF.

#8438 Leo D

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 05:37

Catalina,

 

Thanks for the info.

My reason for following this up is that I'm sure I saw one, green in colour, in a former karters family garage circa mid 1970's.

However, as far as I know, they never raced it.

I will check with him.

Seeing the picture posted prompted me to try and find out a little more if I can.

Hope I haven't strayed too far off topic.



#8439 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 09:40

I don't think they ever painted that car any colour other than a red...

 

Coca Cola and all that. Until it's Brut 33 days, of course.

 

seldo had a closer look at it than all of us, though, maybe he can recall?

Grey primer I believe for its first Australian outing. About 2 days off the plane from the US.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:37

I recall a story in an RCN or a SCW but I would have to go digging. Some people were trying to get F4 up and running at the time of Vee and FF.


Ouch! I know someone who arranged for a business to purchase a load of RHS tube, coincidentally suitable for a F4 (or was it a FF?) at about that time. I hope the business found a use for it, or else it is still sitting there, waiting, waiting ...



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:45

Hi Guys,

 

After spending  the day going through this thread looking and searching for any possible info, I am making this my first post.

 

I have stumbled across a 60s(????) race car in country Victoria and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it.

 

It is has a Ford Y block V8 mounted directly behind the driver feeding to what looks like a VW transaxle. The guy I spoke to believes it was based on a Peugeot  and that approx. 5-6 of these were made in Melbourne.

 

It is a 2 seater car with steel seats that resemble a go cart style seat and is RHD. The frame is made from approx. 1" round tube and it has no shell.

The frame is painted white. It is very low to the ground with what looks like Peugeot/VW rims with very skinny tyres all round.

 

Hi Angelo

If that car still lurks in the long grass in the semi abandoned shed in Nurmurkah -  it is the remains of one of Bill Lord-Milnes Peugeot engined sports cars.

Together with two friends we inspected it about two years ago but none of us were brave enough to do anything about it.

 

Brian Lear


Edited by Brian Lear, 25 February 2014 - 12:48.


#8442 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 13:17

Originally posted by Lola5000

Years ago Pauline Moffat,told me that the Coca Cola sponsorship ,came from her father being National sales manager at Coke inc?

 

Geoff Sykes used to talk about the 'Bludgers' Barometer'. This was a way of gauging the appeal of a race meeting prior to it taking place, the number of bludgers who would be after tickets.

 

Prior to one of the last, possibly the very last, Farm meeting, Mary Packard told me the barometer was quite high. "Pauline Moffat came and asked for twenty tickets for her family. I asked whether or not she wanted any for Allan's family and she said that Allan doesn't have any family."

 

Now, there is a whole lot of cattiness in that, but it does show that Pauline sometimes leaned a little with her version of the truth. And my contact (who some here would know, but I'm not mentioning names) worked at Coca Cola in their marketing department. Pauline was later employed there and then at some point she met Allan through this connection. 

 

No father in high places, just Pauline working for a living.

 

Originally posted by Lee Nicolle

Grey primer I believe for its first Australian outing. About 2 days off the plane from the US

 

It was in Coca Cola red from its very first outing. That was May 4, 1969.



#8443 rasimmo

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 23:08

This was taken Saturday 17th May ar Oran Park and I think it was as good as it ever looked. Just my opinion.

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#8444 Ian G

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:40

Yeah,i agree,in the background is the Dam he nearly put it in during the 2nd(3rd?) Race.


Edited by Ian G, 26 February 2014 - 02:40.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:41

Thanks Brian!

 

We are talking about the same car.

 

I would be keen to grab this if anyone knew if it was raced at all with the Y-block in it.

 

I have not been able locate any pics of any of these race cars.

 

It would be hell to try to locate a Peugeot engine for this thing.

 

Cheers Angelo


Edited by 1937sloper, 26 February 2014 - 11:42.


#8446 Brian Lear

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:43

Angelo

 

I think finding a Peugeot engine would be the least of your worries.

 

Brian Lear



#8447 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 03:34

Brian knows what he's talking about there...

 

I even have some of that stuff myself. I'm trying to work out, however, what kind of Peugeot stuff the car contained.



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 04:04

Brian, how far was that tongue in that cheek?



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:15

I have spoken to a guy who knew Derek Smith and is going to ask him about this car.

 

Does anyone have any pics of the cars built by Bill Lord-Milne?

 

Cheers Angelo



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 00:43

Simmo, great pics in your post # 8345. Particularly like the one of Brian Foley in his Mini. Do you know at which track and when this was taken?

 

Richard