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#8701 cooper997

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 21:50

I may not have been quite clear enough in my last post Ray, but the then young enthusiast wasn't me. I wish it was, I just have access to Neil's photos.

I'll sort a few more soon.

Stephen

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#8702 cooper997

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 23:22

Taking Rob's lead, the sidelined car with the Jane Lightweight E may well be "#81 John W Mitchell's MG-Holden 2300 Tas" then.

 

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#8703 275 GTB-4

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 00:41

I have never seen a picture or seen Big Pete's Mustang with that additional rondel on the flank...what was all that about?

[insert obligatory.‚Äč..ergh, whaddya reckon Ray?]

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#8704 GreenMachine

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:05

Just a guess - Castrol sign covered over? :confused:



#8705 wagons46

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 01:51

At Bathurst you can see the cars going across the top the mountain from the pits. For better identification where there may be 2 cars the same colour the second rondel was a good idea.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 04:14

Just a guess - Castrol sign covered over? :confused:


Of course, quite possibly :up:



#8707 wagons46

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 04:43

Of course, quite possibly :up:


Why cover a sticker with another sticker, especially a black one rather than white. I remember the meeting and the explanation for it being there from the 'horses mouth'.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 06:23

About a decade ago ,restored/built up in Melbourne was a Mustang Shelby group 2 Trans Am car,claiming to be the Neil Allen car,if one thinks about it, local well known collectors passed on it,was sold to a well known Sydney businessman ,then moved on quickly and found its way to the US.

Those of us who saw the rebuild/resto ,lets just say we often and still scratch our chins.


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#8709 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 08:33

Why cover a sticker with another sticker, especially a black one rather than white. I remember the meeting and the explanation for it being there from the 'horses mouth'.

Please elaborate. It intrigued me too.



#8710 Ellis French

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:20

Bluey Mitchell in the said MG Holden stopped out of Mountford Cnr


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:53

The Repco Hi-Power head from the MG Holden is now on Peter Mather's FJ Holden hooked up to triple Webers (was his early 70's race car, now a Historic rego vehicle). The black rondel on the Geoghegan Mustang may be covering the "Ours" log they ran at an Oran Park meeting in the shape of the "Ford" logo..... Just a wild guess on my part.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:17

I'm sorry. I thought I had explained that it was simply to recognise the Geoghegan car from Neil Allens from the pits as they went across the top of the mountain timing half a lap as against a whole lap. Something that wasn't thought of until the difficulty arose that meeting and this was a quick fix. Remember the pits were merely an awning and counter in those days and the view was different.

Edited by wagons46, 15 July 2014 - 23:19.


#8713 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 23:11

I know there is a thread for this but again the 'search???? ' has failed. Grrr. 

Reading SpeedCafe this morning and Bob Holden won a handicap race at Morgan Pk,,, at 81. I think congrats are in order. And I have forgotten, how old is Murray Carter?



#8714 275 GTB-4

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 23:48

I know there is a thread for this but again the 'search???? ' has failed. Grrr. 
Reading SpeedCafe this morning and Bob Holden won a handicap race at Morgan Pk,,, at 81. I think congrats are in order. And I have forgotten, how old is Murray Carter?


Onya Bob :up:

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 02:17

I know there is a thread for this but again the 'search???? ' has failed. Grrr. 

Reading SpeedCafe this morning and Bob Holden won a handicap race at Morgan Pk,,, at 81. I think congrats are in order. And I have forgotten, how old is Murray Carter?

Here you go, Lee...

 

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#8716 DanTra2858

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 21:36

Hands up those amongst us that have had to tape over Telephone Numbers on our cars when advertising was first allowed because the Time Keepers could get your racing number wrong!

#8717 Ellis French

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 23:14

In 1966 at Longford Hamilton was made to tape up (masking tape used) the rear of his Spyder to cover the Porsche name....deemed to be advertising

 

Single frame fr my 8mm

 

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#8718 wolseley680

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:27

Here's what they deemed necessary for Jim Clark's car, Surfers Tasman 1968.http://lotus49jimclark.jpg



#8719 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 02:34

Hands up those amongst us that have had to tape over Telephone Numbers on our cars when advertising was first allowed because the Time Keepers could get your racing number wrong!

That cost me an ongoing sponsorship deal. Only small but would have paid my entry and some fuel. A cab company whose ph no was part of their logo.  Worse,, I had to remove it, not just tape it up. This at the 95 AGP meeting. The ph no was 100mm high. This was on the rear 1/4s and the number was on the front of the doors @ 300 mm high. Yeah sure the timing may get confused!!!  BUT if I applied and paid a lot of money it would be ok, as John Briggs evidently had done for the same event.

The Confederation Against Motor Sport strikes again.


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#8720 cooper997

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 02:57

I'm going to put this here because the man who started this thread, Kaydee aka Kevin Drage is in the spotlight with Fred Gibson's column in the latest Australian Muscle Car #75. Those who have read his posts on this forum over the years will know Kevin has lead an interesting working life. Well Fred has written about Kevin's help designing and making race wheels for the Gibson Motor Sport-run Nissans from 25 or so years ago.

Fred is a perfectionist and very much an enthusiast, I have a photo of him at Phillip Island historics from a couple of years ago whereby he stood with Allan Moffat in the VHRR pit garages (closest to the PI control tower) and it was one of those "Look at that Allan" moments as Fred enthused over the Townley Lago-Talbot.

I dare say Kevin might be a little embarrassed by the fuss, but he shouldn't be. Well done Fred and well done Kevin.

Stephen

#8721 mouserat159

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 01:17

I received an e-mail with these Bathurst photos attached to good not to share.

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#8722 mouserat159

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 01:27

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#8723 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:28

RH-145 is the Ron Hodgson/John French entry, I think it's French driving...

These are from 1964 and the numbers aren't recorded in either the 'Great Race' book or RCN. 15 is Jane, of course, 9 is the Buckle/Foley Citroen ID. 8 is the Sutherland/Mottram Studebaker, so 11 must be the Needham/Weldon car. The Humber Vogue is Bill Barnett/Don Johnston.

#8724 mouserat159

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:08

RH-145 is the Ron Hodgson/John French entry, I think it's French driving...

These are from 1964 and the numbers aren't recorded in either the 'Great Race' book or RCN. 15 is Jane, of course, 9 is the Buckle/Foley Citroen ID. 8 is the Sutherland/Mottram Studebaker, so 11 must be the Needham/Weldon car. The Humber Vogue is Bill Barnett/Don Johnston.


Thanks Ray As I said this was in an e mail so I didn't know who the drivers were but to good of photos not to share.

#8725 wagons46

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:17

From the original program.

19C. Cortina GT H. Firth / J.Raeburn

18C. Cortina. GT. B.Seton / H.Taylor

59A. Hillman Imp. L. Ayers / D.Geary

52A. Morris 850. P.Cray / P.Barnes

7D. Humber Vogue. B.Barnett / D. Johnston.

3D. Triumph 2000. A.Reynolds / A.Allen.

49A. Hillman Imp. Miss L Hill / B.Reed.

22C. Cortina GT. R.Hodgson / J.French.

37B. Renault R8. L.Park / J.Roxburgh.

15C. Cortina GT. R.Jane / G.Reynolds.

21C. Cortina GT. L.Geoghegan / I.Geoghegan.

16C. Holden EH. R.Skelton / P.Ismay.

9D. Citroen. B.Buckle / B.Foley.

8D Studebaker. F.Sutherland / A.Mottram.

14C. Cortina GT. A.Cooper / J.Hills.

11D. Studebaker. B.Needham / W.Weldon.

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#8726 bradbury west

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 07:23

Wonderful shots, many thanks for posting them. The Imp driver is clearly confident of his and his car's capabilities....

Proper road racing in road cars.

Roger Lund



#8727 wagons46

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 08:17

The Imp driver is confident of HER abilities . It's Lorraine Hill.

#8728 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:25

I really liked the confidence in the Hodgson Cortina...

But not this year, the following year. With the same plates on it, as I rode in the back of John Fogwell's '52 Plymouth down a long steep hill on the Bell's Line of Road on the way back home, Hoddo pulled fourth gear as he came alongside us at some outlandish speed.

The 221ci V8 burbled and he rushed away from us.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 10:12

How competitive were the Triumph 2000s? How was the grid determined? Was it on times or price, or what, as the 2 2000s are on the front row with the Studebaker?, but there are other larger engined cars behind them so it cannot have been on engine size. I can understand a standard Imp being at the back of the grid with the other small fry, but that throws no light on the grid layout. I always understood that the classes were price based in those early days.
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#8730 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 11:20

The top does not look hugely different,, but Conrod sure does!



#8731 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 12:49

Roger, classes were based on price in those days...

And the grid was laid out by classes, the most expensive class at the front. Within the classes the grid positions were determined by ballot.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 15:35

Many thanks Ray, I thought it was something along those lines, but not sure. At what point of time did they start to improve the surface?  edit. Ignore this last bit, I should have looked in John's Bathurst Cradle.... book

 Good to see you made it back....

Roger


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#8733 DanTra2858

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 22:25

Murray,s Corner or is it a Country Lane, who amongst us would race on that surface these days in the same cars as then, scary but that was how it happened in those days.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 22:28

Just wondering what tyres were used, the Renaults & Citroen would have been on Michelin X but what about the others?

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 22:48

Not sure about '64 - in '63 we ran Dunlop B7s on the Beetle in practice, and Pirrelli Cintura for the race....155x15 on 4J rims [stock VW].



#8736 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 23:59

Conrod Straight was resurfaced quite early on...

Maybe 1965, or possibly 1964 and it didn't include the braking area. I was always amazed that Conrod got a good surface while the sweeps and dives of the rest of the place didn't get that kind of attention for a few more years.

The top of the mountain was hotmix for the '69 race, other improvements were progressive. by 1967 we saw the Murrays braking area fixed up, trees on the inside taken out and better surface.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 11:25

Not sure about '64 - in '63 we ran Dunlop B7s on the Beetle in practice, and Pirrelli Cintura for the race....155x15 on 4J rims [stock VW].

One would hope the Pirrellis were a lot faster, though I bet you did not redo the wheel alignment to take best advantage of the radials. I am [just ] old enough to remember B7s. Dreadfull things in about 1962 and they were still being sold in the late 60s. My father went from B7s on his EK Holden to Goodyear G8s in about 64. he was amazed at the difference. Radials though were too much for him!  Until the 70s when I put radials on his HR. Then he knew what he had been missing for decades!



#8738 mouserat159

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 13:00

Thanks for the appreciation everbody, I'll be sure to post more photos if I came across any

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 08:48

Thanks for all the great pics, and here's one back. Matching the opening pages... Albert Park, December '56?

 

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From my father's Kodachrome collection. Neko. 



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#8740 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 21:30

Plenty of atmosphere there...

Are there more?

#8741 275 GTB-4

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 23:46

and what is the copyright situation? can they be published if they are copied off the interweb?...



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 00:15

The Illawarra area of NSW is a small strip of land starting at Hellensburg south of Sydney to just near Albion Park & west to the Great Divide Range that runs up the east coast of Australia.

A very small country area of Australia but I believe that this small area has provided more entrants/drivers in the early 1960/70 Bathurst 500/1000 races in Australia than any other Country area in our great Island, if I am wrong please let me know, I am not including the States main Cities.

1960 Bill March, Renault 750

1961 Bill March, Renault Dauphine Gordini

1962 Don Algie, Studybaker Lark

1963 Bill March, Peugeot 404
Ron Thorp, Morris Elite
John White, Morris Elite

1964 Bill March, Renault R8
John White, Renault R8
Phill Barnes, Mini 850

1965 Ray Heffernan, Fiat 850
Phill Barnes, Cooper S

1967 Mal Brewster, Cooper S

1968. Mal Brewster, Cooper S
Martin Chennary, Fiat 125
Teddy Johnson, Fiat 125

1969 Mal Brewster, Cooper S
Martin Chennery, Falcon GTHO
Teddy Johnson, Falcon GTHO

1970 Martin Chennery, Falcon GTHO Phase 2

If I was to list beyond 1970 the list grows much bigger with 18 plus more Drivers taking the Start at Bathurst, surly a wonderfull record for a small area of Australia.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 01:56

and what is the copyright situation? can they be published if they are copied off the interweb?...


I hope that I wasn't in-breach of the copyright law when I posted the early shorts from Bathurst that I got in an e-mail?

#8744 cooper997

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 04:09

If I'm on the right path kuroneko's photo is the Peter Whitehead #3 Ferrari Super Squalo.

Stephen

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 07:31

I hope that I wasn't in-breach of the copyright law when I posted the early shorts from Bathurst that I got in an e-mail?

If you are concerned, you could check with Steve Holmes here :-

 

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 09:36

I got banned from that forum when I complained about a professional photographer that stole my photos from here and posted them over there.
So as far as I'm concerned anything over there is fair game.

#8747 mouserat159

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 11:46

Thank you very much for that GMACKIE

If you are concerned, you could check with Steve Holmes here :-

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:40

Plenty of atmosphere there...

Are there more?

 

A few general shots of the area, and much from the Olympics the same year. My father was a stock photographer, and these are from his personal collection. Now in the possession of my brother I think... 

 

 

and what is the copyright situation? can they be published if they are copied off the interweb?...

 

Not copied off the interwebs, scanned from the slides by me. Feel free to use for whatever purposes.

 

If I'm on the right path kuroneko's photo is the Peter Whitehead #3 Ferrari Super Squalo.

Stephen

 

I had thought it a 250F, and perhaps Stan Jones, but I've never investigated fully. Some of the other pics from the same event earlier in this thread can likely be used to confirm... Thanks! Neko. 



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:06

If I'm on the right path kuroneko's photo is the Peter Whitehead #3 Ferrari Super Squalo.

Stephen

Peter Whitehead  for me to.



#8750 cooper997

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:57

Neko, if the photo is with Olympics photos then it's bound to be from late 1956. Those 2 consecutive Albert Park meetings - November 25 & December 2 probably had the biggest focus of Maserati racing cars gathered together in Australia, ever. But the nose opening and bonnet line/width aren't 250F shaped. Not that all 250Fs were created equal.

So like Lola mentions too, I'm staying with it being Whitehead's Ferrari, not that he was the only Super Squalo running. Reg Parnell ran the other Scuderia Ambrosiana #2 entry. But he didn't have the white nose band.

Feel free to show some more of your dad's photos. You're amongst enthusiasts here.

Stephen