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#951 Gordon Graham

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 04:53

Originally posted by Terry Walker
It was generally referred to here as the Repco Alta, and with the pipes coming out that side, I guess it's wearing the Repco head at this time. The pic shows its last incarnation as a "front line" race car, circa 1963.

Incidentally, most of the cars in my pic still exist. No 5 is Jack Rowe in the Cooper Mk V which is bound to be somewhere, it was always in first class condition so it won't have been scrapped ; the Alta is racing in UK with an original 2 litre Alta engine and the body rebuilt to original 1950s shape; the No 11 Peugeot Spl has been dug out of a tip and is being restored; the Lotus Super 7 with Jeff Dunkerton aboard is now in the East. The pale sports car, the Repco-Holden Sports, is restored complete with its own original repco High Power head, and lives here in WA. Don't know about the frogeye, and the Renault 8 based single seater is a "don't know" as well.


True about the Rowe Cooper always in top condition, though it did suffer this ungainly twin Triumph conversion around 67-68. I think it only appeared once in this form, around three years after Rowe last raced it, so I don't think he did this to it. I'm informed it's now owned by the Pennrite people in Victoria.

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#952 ken devine

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 05:01

the cooper mkv is owned by penrite oil it is beautifully restored right down to it's original polished
aluminium body.it was displayed at the 2006 agp and was featured on the rob roy anniversary cd.

#953 Terry Walker

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 06:15

Odd it should be No 14, which was Dick Turpin's number for his Triumph Spl from about 1968. 14 was the number Rowe used for his brief outing in an Elfin in 1966.

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 08:19

Originally posted by kaydee
Anthony, going by the rather unique wheels it definitely looks like the Alta Holden to me -


Noting the different nose aperture, engine cover and exhaust pipe configuration between the two photographs :up:

#955 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 08:43

Gordon, it's not annoying if you use the line 'hotlink for forums (i)'...

That's further down than the other lines that you see when you've uploaded the pics.

All the same, you haven't posted that using Imageshack at all.

#956 ken devine

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 08:08

an interesting array of cars on starting line for christmas cup in 1961 at caversham.including repco alta
zephyr ,ferrari and the supercharged alta.

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#957 ken devine

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 08:12

rest of grid including cooper mkv now owned by penrite.

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#958 cosworth bdg

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 09:03

Originally posted by kaydee

Ray, the thumbnails enlarge okay for me.......I'm not too sure that some of the captions are correct though..needs your eagle eye!! Kaydee

The thumnails also enlarge perfectly for myself.......... Cheers Peter N...

#959 Wilyman

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 12:43

Originally posted by ken devine
rest of grid including cooper mkv now owned by penrite.

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Ken,
Vin Smith's No7 always looked good in its original guise. Not so good when he altered it to rear engined.
No17 the beige mono, I don't recognise. I thought at first it may have been the Taylor Styles but it appears to have a Holden engine and it is too soon for the GMC engine ?

A little niggle before I go. When advertising was forbidden on racing cars back then and in later years, why is it that we could always see "Reimann Motors" on cars he sponsored? [Doug Green's Ferrari].

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#960 David Shaw

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 12:47

I believe it was that the entrant could be placed on the car, with certain size restrictions.

#961 Terry Walker

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 12:53

The beige car is an HRG with a Lancia sliding pillar front suspension. Driver is "Dave Gordon", a pseudonym. Not much later he repainted it rather colourfully.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 13:00

Originally posted by Wilyman


Ken,
Vin Smith's No7 always looked good in its original guise. Not so good when he altered it to rear engined.
No17 the beige mono, I don't recognise. I thought at first it may have been the Taylor Styles but it appears to have a Holden engine and it is too soon for the GMC engine ?

A little niggle before I go. When advertising was forbidden on racing cars back then and in later years, why is it that we could always see "Reimann Motors" on cars he sponsored? [No 3 Doug Green's Ferrari].

Because you were allowed to display the entrant's name in letters 2" (50mm) high on each side of the car....Whoopee
Also, I can't help but feel slightly amused at (in retrospect) the supposed enormous performance of these cars with their huge 2.2l cast iron straight 6 Grey motors producing something in the region of maybe 140/150 bhp for tarmac-tearing performance... it reminds me of a comment that has stuck in my mind for years - John Cummins was race announcer at Hume Weir and was commentating on the Holden race and he was almost beside himself with amazement as he enthused over "the spectacle of 140bhp and no brakes..."
How we have become spoiled...
Hi Cummo...:)
BTW - great clear photos Wilyman :) Thanks :)

#963 Wilyman

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 13:56

Seldo,
Would love to take credit for the Caversham pictures. Ken Devine and Terry Walker are your men. :)

#964 Terry Walker

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 15:06

The two pics of the grid were provided to Ken Devine by Sid Taylor's daughter Lyn, then about 18, who took them by climbing onto the roof of the timing tower. She is now Mrs Lyn Morgan, and was at the Caversham reunion day.

#965 Gordon Graham

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 21:35

Interesting that the Higgs Peugeot is at the back of the grid. That would have been when he had the engine sleeved down to 1100cc, to run as a formula junior. I always wondered why he did that, as there were no other formula juniors in WA. The car always had "Peugeot Junior" written on it, even after he'd taken it out to about 1720cc.

#966 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 22:09

Originally posted by ken devine
An interesting array of cars on starting line for christmas cup in 1961 at caversham, including Repco-Alta
Zephyr, Ferrari and the supercharged Alta.

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That would be the Bondly Vanguard in black, surely? I've never seen a pic from the side, I don't think, it doesn't look half bad.

'Bondly' or 'Bondley'?

Very handsome pics, by the way, well worthy of posting here. Keep 'em coming!

#967 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 22:13

Pressed the wrong button, mate?

Maybe Twinny will slip it into the right thread...

#968 ken devine

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 23:39

car 17 is the hrg holden driven by dave gordon who was discussed on a previous thread,he was thought
to be in wa under an assumed name.the car was originally the stan jones hrg,the car was later owned by
george webber and speaking to george recently he told me it was taken by an oil company to cover a
debt,after that it dissapeared and beleived to have been broken up.trevor eastwood has some body
panels which were discovered in the midland area.

#969 ken devine

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 01:01

the bondley special was always a very reliable car and fortunatley was never broken up,after peter retired from racing about 1964 he stored it in his workshop.it was discovered in 1986 by darrel manning who
restored it and it has been a consistant runner in wa historic racing eversince.it is now owned by trevor
eastwood.this year it was again restored and given a new body and made its first appearance at the
phillip island historics and also ran at the agp.it was recently joined by two other original racing cars of
it's time the ts special and the plymouth special at caversham 57agp anniversary.
as for vin smiths alpha in the picture this would have been one of it's last meetings in this form before
being made into vindid.

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 02:48

G'day Ray,
Whoops! Yes thanks for the wake up call. Way past my bed time when posted.

Mr Twinny will you please shift my c%*#k-up to "Personal Photos of Australian Racing '50's-'60's.

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 09:16

Originally posted by ken devine
the ts special


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#972 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 11:10

Originally posted by ken devine
.....after peter retired from racing about 1964 he stored it in his workshop. it was discovered in 1986 by darrel manning.....


I'd hardly use the word discovered, if you don't mind me saying...

I know I spoke to Peter about the car some time in the early eighties. And I only spoke to him about it because someone else told me he probably still had it.

Full marks to the guys who do prise these things out of dark corners and restore them, display them and race them. Even fuller marks if they restore them genuinely, keeping completely to the form of the car as it raced at some time.

Fullest marks, in my opinion, to those who can pick up on a car that's been destroyed and construct an exact replica so that they are replacing something that's truly been lost.

I have got a Chrysler 6 and a Vauxhall 4-speed gearbox... I wonder if I'll ever be able to do anything with them?

#973 Terry Walker

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 06:55

It was so much simpler then. Western Australia, 1962, AGP time. Bruce McLaren right, Eoin Young left, open trailer, Austin A55 towcar. The location is Rod Styles' garage, East Victoria Park, just two blocks from where I lived at the time, where the Cooper Climax was stored. Bruce and his wife stayed at Sid Taylor's house.

Photo taken by Sid Taylor's daughter, now Mrs Lyn Morgan.

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#974 David Shaw

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 07:05

Not an A55, but an A90 I reckon.

#975 Terry Walker

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 08:08

Nope. A55.


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#976 David Shaw

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 09:25

I'm not an Austin expert, but that definitely looks A90 to me. The only other model it could be in my mind is an A50, but the A55 had the different rear-end on them like the A95, not the "cow hips" that the A50 and A90 had, like in the photo. The trim on the side implies A90 to me.

And the 2.6 six would have made a better tow car than a 1.5 four.

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 10:44

Just looked at the '56 Observer's Book of Automobiles, and the key difference in appearance is that the A40 and A50 have plain side panels, whereas the A90 has a side chrome strip curving down from the headlights to the rear wheel arches and thence straight back, also 5 chrome bars leading to the bonnet louvre, so looks like an A90, albeit still with only 85bhp

Roger Lund.

BTW, Brilliant photos as ever, Terry, wonderful for us outside Oz.

#978 Terry Walker

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 10:58

I always thought the A90 had a longer wheelbase to accomodate the six, and I was judging by the amount of mudguard behind the wheelarch. Ken Devine, an Austin man, thought it an A55. The car was probably built at Zetland in NSW and Aussie BMC products were always a bit different.

Incidentally, the last of this set of 3 pics at Styles garage is the famous Mini Cooper that Bruce drove in a touring car support race. Pat Mclaren in the car.


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Posted 19 October 2007 - 11:06

I think it is an A55, but I am no expert. :drunk:
Fantastic pics Terry (as usual!)

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#980 Terry Walker

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 11:19

I was so intrigued I looked up Robson's The Cars of BMC . The A90 had a 4 inch longer wheelbase, and the photos show it all between the wheelarch and the front door shutline, quite noticeable. I'd say the A90 style chrome strip on the A55 was an Aussie variation.

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 11:53

My money's on an A50 or A55 - wasn't that chrome strip one of the differences between those two models? Likewise A90/A95
I'm sure the car in the picture is 1500 size, not 2600...

#982 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 12:09

Yes, I'm all for the A50/A55 size...

The cars were totally different in size, and the A90 and A95 were very different in profile. The A90 had a stubby boot, the A95 was at least six inches longer in the overhang. Way more than just a chrome strip differentiating them.

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 16:19

I checked after posting mt last and agree the A90/95 differences were more than I said
However, I was focussing on the smaller model, and can now confirm my suspicions
(For English readers: the A40 Cambridge was never sold in New Zealand, and I don't think in Australia either)

#984 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 20:55

No, not in Australia...

What was it, this body with a 948cc A-series or something?

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 21:58

1200cc, so presumably the old Devon/Somerset engine, in the A50 body

#986 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 22:20

They made that old clunker that late?

I never knew that...

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 02:13

you blokes will argue about anything.the tow car is definatley an a90 westminster.the a55 had a higher
side moulding from the back door to the tail,it also had a heavy moulding around the grille and large chrome
headlight rims. the a40 cambridge in the uk became the a50 cambridge in australia.the famous 1200 engine
went onto power the datsun 1600 after it was stretched.i am the proud owner of two a40 devons,one only
having done 38,000 miles.

#988 Stan Patterson

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 02:42

Disagree Kevin,

The car in the pic is either an A50 or an A55..the A90 Westminsterr was a longer more purposeful looking machine with none of the "nana" looks of the A50/A55......the chrome side strip was introduced on the A55 - mimicking the A90's- because some A55's had a gay two tone colour scheme.

I just hope there were no hills between the servo in the pic and Caversham!

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#989 Terry Walker

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 03:05

This is an A90 (UK edition). Souce: The Cars of BMC, by Graham Robson. Check the extra length of the panel between wheelarch and door shutline.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 03:14

This is really getting way off topic but,

I would wager that pic is a pre-production mock-up...it has traficators (all the A90's in Au had flashing indicators - the first ones i ever saw), the door fit doesnt look right and generally the car doesn't have the "presence" of an A90 Westminster.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 03:31

look closer at the picture,apart from what i said in my previous reply the a55 had a lightning bolt strip
running from 2" behind the headlight to the wheelarch.the pic.terry shows is an a90.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 04:06

I also think it is A50/55- perhaps someone should ask Rod Style- I am positive he would remember with complete details.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 04:20

you guys wont listen will you the a55 is nothing like the car in the picture.when i find a suitable pic i
will post it.

#994 Terry Walker

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 04:35

Just to change the subject: unusual telphoto shot of the main straight at Caversham showing the hump in the middle. Stan Starcevich, Lotus Cortina, Ron Thorp, Cobra. Pic by Phil Jordan. EDIT: 1965 Six Hr?

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 04:50

Oh hell, back to the debate:

A40-A50 Cambridge. Note wheel arch lip at front, goes right around the opening. Same as tow car.

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A95: front wheelarch lip only around rear half of arch, then crease forward to headlights. Same as early A90 pic. Not the same as tow car.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 04:58

:lol: :lol: :lol:

#997 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 19:38

Originally posted by Terry Walker
Just to change the subject: unusual telphoto shot of the main straight at Caversham showing the hump in the middle. Stan Starcevich, Lotus Cortina, Ron Thorp, Cobra. Pic by Phil Jordan. EDIT: 1965 Six Hr?

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1966...

Ron and Marie Thorp had the front numberplate on the car in '65 not in '66. I'm not sure who was in that Cortina, and I'm not sure it's a Lotus Cortina, maybe a GT500, but Starcevich ran his Holden in '66. That would be Gordon Stephenson in the Alfa.

On looking this up, I'm amazed at how little detail there is about entries in RCN... but one note is there that I'd really like for you to chase up for me:

Other retirements were Scott's Peugeot with a rod through the block; Fry's 1275 "S" type likewise; Annear's Phoenix - bearings, O'Sullivan/Downey - rod through the block (as it did last year, but that was after only seven laps; Brockwell/Mitchell Anglia - blown motor; Roger Fielding lost the TR4 in the Esses, bending the car no end and escaping with bruises and cracked ribs.


Quite apart from showing the wide variety of types of cars running, this paragraph shows that the mechanical parts suffered badly those days, perhaps because of that long straight and the tight corners onto and off it.

Terry, Ken, Wilyman, cavvy and other WA folk, do you reckon you can find out about that Phoenix? What class was it in? Are there pictures? What model was it? Is Mr Annear still around? Did it, or any other Phoenix, run in other years... and at other meetings?

#998 Terry Walker

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 01:27

Annear's Phoenix wasn't a Dodge Phoenix, but a one-off sports car. I don't think I have a pic.

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 02:16

the phoinex was a renault dauphine with a peugeot engine,which was bobs favourite engine,the only time
he used any thing else was a supercharged holden in the pegasus sports which he built in 1960,but i think
this was unsuccessful and he reverted to a peugeot.bob believed in experimentation as soon as it went well
he tried something else.bob is still around i spoke to him at the agp anniversarry,i am trying to get acontact
number or ray you could contact the vscc the may have it.
terry there is a pic.of the supercharged holden in the vandal file you may like to put it up.

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#1000 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 02:23

By all means... put it up...

My primary interest was in thinking it was a Dodge Phoenix. But I'm always interested in Specials, of course, and especially ones with Peugeot engines. Even if they're not built properly... that is the only reason Peugeot engines fail, isn't it?